---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/28/13: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:35 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/27/13 (Bob Green) 2. 07:58 AM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/27/13 (John Hauck) 3. 08:14 AM - getting in and out of the plane (b young) 4. 08:39 AM - Door opening (herb) 5. 05:25 PM - Classic and Xtra (alienwes) 6. 07:59 PM - Re: Classic and Xtra (Brad Nation) 7. 08:57 PM - Re: Classic and Xtra (b young) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:07 AM PST US From: Bob Green Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/27/13 No much on the Kolb list these days. I expect to finish my MKIIIX, with GPAS VW with re-drive sometime before I get too old to fly. :) As I have gotten older (69) I find it more difficult to do the cork screw movements to get into my plane. I am thinking very seriously about doing some modification to at least one side of the cockpit/windshield tubing to have a larger opening. I have thought about welding a tube that would be in the middle of the windshield and allow me to hinge one half of the windshield/door combination from that point. It would hinge like the MKIIIC. Any thoughts. I would especially appreciate hearing from you John H. since you modified some parts of your MKIIIC. Any others also appreciated. Have a great weekend. B Green MKIIIX project N830PB ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:32 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 02/27/13 I have thought about welding a tube that would be in the middle of the windshield and allow me to hinge one half of the windshield/door combination from that point. It would hinge like the MKIIIC. B Green Bob G/Kolbers: Almost anything is doable if you want it bad enough. I have included a photo of my MKIII to show the windshield and door. One thing to remember when modifying the doors, the rear of the door has to be far enough forward to clear the leading edge of the wing when it opens up. I'm sure Kolb Aircraft can take care of your problem. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:05 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Kolb-List: getting in and out of the plane One thing to remember when modifying the doors, the rear of the door has to be far enough forward to clear the leading edge of the wing when it opens up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or buy a yoga ball and start ssttrreeaacchhiinngg sorry could not resist.. please do not archive boyd ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:04 AM PST US From: herb Subject: Kolb-List: Door opening When I rebuilt my MkIII many moons ago...I installed Gull wing doors..A center tube and staggered hinges on both sides..never regretted it.. picture somewhere?? I will look... Check out pictures of a MkIII look alike for the idea:-) Herb On 02/28/2013 09:34 AM, Bob Green wrote: > > No much on the Kolb list these days. I expect to finish my MKIIIX, with GPAS VW with re-drive sometime before I get too old to fly. :) > As I have gotten older (69) I find it more difficult to do the cork screw movements to get into my plane. I am thinking very seriously about doing some modification to at least one side of the cockpit/windshield tubing to have a larger opening. I have thought about welding a tube that would be in the middle of the windshield and allow me to hinge one half of the windshield/door combination from that point. It would hinge like the MKIIIC. > Any thoughts. I would especially appreciate hearing from you John H. since you modified some parts of your MKIIIC. Any others also appreciated. > Have a great weekend. > B Green > MKIIIX project N830PB > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:32 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Classic and Xtra From: "alienwes" How many Classics and Xtras are out there? Are there alot more Classics than Xtras? Also, what are the benefits of each over the other? -------- Wesley Elliott Sport Pilot-PPC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395329#395329 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Classic and Xtra From: Brad Nation As I do not as of yet have a Kolb and have only ridden in the Classic, the reasons that I'm looking at the Xtra are: 1. More elbow room in the cockpit. 2. Your legs are not canted towards the center of the cabin. 3. It's a bit faster than the Classic. 4. The instrument panel is closer, but I think it's smaller (I haven't compared any measurements though.) There seem to be more Classics than Xtras for sale. Again I have no data for this assumption. ( We know what assumption does, it makes an as out of you and Umption, and Umption is getting pissed off.) The down side is they typically cost more, new and used. Sent from my iPad Brad On Feb 28, 2013, at 18:24, "alienwes" wrote: > > How many Classics and Xtras are out there? Are there alot more Classics than Xtras? > > Also, what are the benefits of each over the other? > > -------- > Wesley Elliott > Sport Pilot-PPC > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395329#395329 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:57:52 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Classic and Xtra As I do not as of yet have a Kolb and have only ridden in the Classic, the reasons that I'm looking at the Xtra are: 1. More elbow room in the cockpit. never been in an extra,,,, not sure about elbow room,, but certainly more room further forward. 2. Your legs are not canted towards the center of the cabin. absolutely true about the canted in legs,,, but you get use to it very quickly and it is a non issue, at least for me. 3. It's a bit faster than the Classic. don=99t think either one will win at the reno air races,,,, unless you are going cross country it should not make much difference. 4. The instrument panel is closer, but I think it's smaller (I haven't compared any measurements though.) I think there is a pod that is closer, but more room beyond the pod. There seem to be more Classics than Xtras for sale. Again I have no data for this assumption. they sold more classics for more years, so I think that is true. I have heard, but have no first hand information,, the broad nose of the extra causes some handling differences.. those that have flown both tend to lean to the classic. but you will find firm believers/ supporters in both camps. Sent from my iPad Brad sent from my home confuser... boyd young mkiii c utah ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.