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1. 10:34 AM - Re: Re: Mz 201 (chris davis)
2. 12:47 PM - electric propulsion? (Martin Koxxy)
3. 02:34 PM - Re: electric propulsion? (Dana Hague)
4. 03:44 PM - Re: electric propulsion? (Martin Koxxy)
5. 04:11 PM - Re: electric propulsion? (Dana Hague)
6. 05:43 PM - Re: electric propulsion? (kinne russ)
7. 06:01 PM - Re: electric propulsion? (Larry Cottrell)
8. 10:54 PM - Re: electric propulsion? ()
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Phil How is your Kolb coming did you get to test fly it yet?I have been thi
nking of an erlectric engine , about the same price and I probly will never
leave cape cod with her mostly just flying asround the beaches and landing
at my home field.Whaats going on with your MZ201?FAIRWINDS Chris=0A=0A=0AC
hris DavisKXP 503 492 hrsGlider PilotDisabled from crash building Firefly
=0A=0AFrom: Phil <phactor9@yahoo.com>=0A>To: kolb-list@matronics.com =0A>Se
nt: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:48 AM=0A>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mz 201
=0A>=0A>1 to 2 extra lbs sounds about right. Let us know what you find out
about the total weight and price.=0A>=0A>Phil H.--- On Fri, 12/16/11, chris
davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>>From: chris davis <capedavis@ya
hoo.com>=0A>>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mz 201=0A>>To: "kolb-list@matronic
s.com" <kolb-list@matronics.com>=0A>>Date: Friday, December 16, 2011, 7:39
AM=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Phill ,Got an email from Leon at the MZ factory . He says
that in order to have the fan cooling that thepullstart has to be removed a
nd the weight gain would be 1 to 2 lbs, he is going to give me a final weig
ht for the engine with dual cdi and belt reduction and the Price later toda
y I think .=0A>>--- 1 to 2 lbs for the safe.cooling of a $5000 engine
is a minor weight-=0A>>Im sorry to ask but I have lost track of who has
-gain in my opinion =0A>>-,Is- it your engine they have in the Kolb s
hop It would be interesting to see what Bryan says. Chris=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Chr
is DavisKXP 503 492 hrsGlider PilotDisabled from crash building Firefly=0A>
>From: Phil <phactor9@yahoo.com>=0A>>To: kolb-list@matronics.com =0A>>Sent:
Thursday, December 15, 2011 10:09 PM=0A>>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mz 20
1=0A>>=0A>>It is suggested that the 202 needs the fan, but not the 201. Tim
e will tell. Let us know what the reply to your inquiry is.=0A>>=0A>>Phil H
. --- On Thu, 12/15/11, chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A>>=0A>>>
From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>=0A>>>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mz
201=0A>>>To: kolb-list@matronics.com=0A>>>Date: Thursday, December 15, 201
1, 7:15 PM=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Phil , Did you happen to ask what the weight of
the fan cooling system would be?I am Only concerned Bryan at Kolb was worr
ied about cooling .- Why not take off the pullstart and add the fan cooli
ng I think that would be a even trade. I am going to Email the factory and
ask the questiion tonight. I will let you know as soon as I get an answer C
hris=0A>>>Chris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash buil
ding Firefly --- On Thu, 12/15/11, Phil <phactor9@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A>>>
=0A>>>>From: Phil <phactor9@yahoo.com>=0A>>>>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mz
201=0A>>>>To: kolb-list@matronics.com=0A>>>>Date: Thursday, December 15, 2
011, 1:39 PM=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>I decided on the mz201 for my Firefly. I o
nly know what I've studied online about Simonini, Hirth, Rotax (used to own
a 503 on my past Twinstar), and the mz line. I will know a lot more once I
get my Firefly built and start running my mz201 on it (in the Spring).=0A>
>>>My mz201 weighs in at 75lbs total fly-weight without the mounting plates
and h/w for the engine and exhaust system, but including everything else;
belt reduc, air filter, carb, muffler, elec and pull starters, all ignition
components (harness, dual CDI, dual plugs). I thought it would weigh a few
pounds less, but as far as I can tell, this is still 15-19 lbs less than t
he 447, with 4-5 HP more.=0A>>>>Phil H. --- On Thu, 12/15/11, FIRESTARII <C
CMFarms@aol.com> wrote:=0A>>>>=0A>>>>>From: FIRESTARII <CCMFarms@aol.com>
=0A>>>>>Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mz 201=0A>>>>>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
=0A>>>>>Date: Thursday, December 15, 2011, 12:38 PM=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>=0A>>>>>
and gals- ya'all got me thinking.... I know next to nothing about the MZ
engines and have been seriously considering a re-power of my DCDI-503 powe
red FSII simply because the engine has very near 300 hours TT.- NOW,- w
hen I posted that I was considering a Hirth some of you got all abrasive [R
olling Eyes]---Is, in your opinion, the MZ a better/same/worse choice
than the Hirth?- Or do you die hard Rotax folks think I am simply better
off having the 503 rebuilt and sticking with what I have??? :?---I a
m not trying to rock the boat again just wondering how the MZ compares to t
he Hirth and the Rotax? -------- Low and Slow FireStar II Read this topic o
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| Subject: | electric propulsion? |
Hello Kolb flyers,
since Chris brought it up: I have been mostly lurking and almost went for a
Kolbra, but I have recently begun building an Earthstar eGull. As much is I
liked the folding wings and two-seat capability of the Kolbra, the prospect
of having my ears within inches of a screaming 2-stroke finally convinced
me to go electric. The state of battery-electric propulsion pretty much
rules out 2 seats, and even a single seat ultralight has to be very
efficient. The eGull is one of the few affordable aircraft that fits the
bill, plus Mark Beierle has more experience with electric propulsion than
most (180 hours in his own eGull, for example).
If you are interested, a few specs:
single seat pusher, tricycle gear, 24' cantilevered wing, 40kW (54HP)
motor, 10+kWh battery (170 lbs!)
The airframe will comply with ultralight limits, and the battery is
considered fuel (must fit in the same *volume* as 5gal fuel).
Battery, motor, regulator and charger will come from Zero Motorcycles.
Including prop and a (used) Rotax C gearbox, propulsion will set me back
around $12k.
Mark figures this configuration will get me off the ground in less than 100
ft, climb at better than 1200fpm, glide at 13 to 14 g/s ratio, and give me
at least 1 hour air time with reserve. Not exactly a x-country machine, but
as battery energy density increases, I might eventually make it to Rock
House from Beaverton, OR. Very simple and robust (2 moving parts!), and
quiet enough to fly without headphones. And "fuel" cost of $1-2 per hour!
Does anyone know of a list that caters to electric propulsion ultralights?
I'll continue to monitor this list - you guys always have interesting
topics and great pictures and videos.
Martin
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| Subject: | Re: electric propulsion? |
At 03:46 PM 3/11/2013, Martin Koxxy wrote:
>
>Battery, motor, regulator and charger will come from Zero Motorcycles.
>Including prop and a (used) Rotax C gearbox, propulsion will set me back
>around $12k.
>
>Mark figures this configuration will get me off the ground in less than
>100 ft, climb at better than 1200fpm, glide at 13 to 14 g/s ratio, and
>give me at least 1 hour air time with reserve. Not exactly a x-country
>machine, but as battery energy density increases, I might eventually make
>it to Rock House from Beaverton, OR. Very simple and robust (2 moving
>parts!), and quiet enough to fly without headphones. And "fuel" cost of
>$1-2 per hour!
How long does it take to charge the battery? I assume that needs a robust
source of electricity?
-Dana
--
One thing about liberty, lots of people do things I wouldn't pay for, and
more power to them. It's when they want to do it with my money that I get
concerned.
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| Subject: | Re: electric propulsion? |
>From empty, 10 hours on a single 15A 110V AC outlet. Or half that if you
have two circuits and 2 chargers. Or less if you have a 240V outlet. Or 45
minutes on a CHAdeMo outlet...
http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/charging/
I plan to tie the plane down within reach of a single 110V outlet. No harm
to leave it plugged in overnight (or all week). But yes, one flight per
day, or maybe one in the morning and one in the evening. Batteries can also
be swapped out, but they are heavy and expensive.
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> wrote:
> At 03:46 PM 3/11/2013, Martin Koxxy wrote:
>
>
> Battery, motor, regulator and charger will come from Zero Motorcycles.
> Including prop and a (used) Rotax C gearbox, propulsion will set me back
> around $12k.
>
> Mark figures this configuration will get me off the ground in less than
> 100 ft, climb at better than 1200fpm, glide at 13 to 14 g/s ratio, and gi
ve
> me at least 1 hour air time with reserve. Not exactly a x-country machine
,
> but as battery energy density increases, I might eventually make it to Ro
ck
> House from Beaverton, OR. Very simple and robust (2 moving parts!), and
> quiet enough to fly without headphones. And "fuel" cost of $1-2 per hour!
>
>
> How long does it take to charge the battery? I assume that needs a robus
t
> source of electricity?
>
> -Dana
> --
> One thing about liberty, lots of people do things I wouldn=92t pay for, a
nd
> more power to them. It=92s when they want to do it with my money that I g
et
> concerned.
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: electric propulsion? |
At 06:44 PM 3/11/2013, Martin Koxxy wrote:
> From empty, 10 hours on a single 15A 110V AC outlet. Or half that if you
> have two circuits and 2 chargers. Or less if you have a 240V outlet. Or
> 45 minutes on a CHAdeMo outlet...
><http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/charging/>http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/charging/
>
>I plan to tie the plane down within reach of a single 110V outlet. No harm
>to leave it plugged in overnight (or all week). But yes, one flight per
>day, or maybe one in the morning and one in the evening. Batteries can
>also be swapped out, but they are heavy and expensive.
About what I thought... gets limiting when you get bored with the local area.
-Dana
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I do not know with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4
will be fought with sticks and stones.-- Albert Einstein
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| Subject: | Re: electric propulsion? |
Dana
Not Kolb-related but --
If this World War Number Three
Must inevitably be
Then #4, as sure as taxes
Will be fought with stone-age axes
Russ
On Mar 11, 2013, at 7:09 PM, Dana Hague wrote:
> At 06:44 PM 3/11/2013, Martin Koxxy wrote:
>> =46rom empty, 10 hours on a single 15A 110V AC outlet. Or half that
if you have two circuits and 2 chargers. Or less if you have a 240V
outlet. Or 45 minutes on a CHAdeMo outlet...
>> http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/charging/
>>
>> I plan to tie the plane down within reach of a single 110V outlet. No
harm to leave it plugged in overnight (or all week). But yes, one flight
per day, or maybe one in the morning and one in the evening. Batteries
can also be swapped out, but they are heavy and expensive.
>
> About what I thought... gets limiting when you get bored with the
local area.
>
> -Dana
> --
> I do not know with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World
War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.-- Albert Einstein
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: electric propulsion? |
Well Martin, if you plan to come to the Rock House, you had best think of a
way to pack a generator with you, because while we have electricity, I am
not sure how many there are between us. :-) Better still put it in a
trailer, and drive it down. Just a rough guess at an hour of flight time a
day, I think you are going to have to start a week early.
Larry
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> wrote:
> At 06:44 PM 3/11/2013, Martin Koxxy wrote:
>
> From empty, 10 hours on a single 15A 110V AC outlet. Or half that if you
> have two circuits and 2 chargers. Or less if you have a 240V outlet. Or 45
> minutes on a CHAdeMo outlet...
> http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/charging/
>
> I plan to tie the plane down within reach of a single 110V outlet. No harm
> to leave it plugged in overnight (or all week). But yes, one flight per
> day, or maybe one in the morning and one in the evening. Batteries can also
> be swapped out, but they are heavy and expensive.
>
>
> About what I thought... gets limiting when you get bored with the local
> area.
>
> -Dana
> --
> I do not know with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War
> 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.-- Albert Einstein
>
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| Subject: | Re: electric propulsion? |
While the electric option may be some what limiting ,I for one applaud
the decision to give it a go. It is only by people willing to work on
developing new technology's and backing that with their own money that
will help us all in the long run to achieve the ultimate goal of
affordable flight . I think that=99s called experimental . Who
knows it may work out for some folk to have a local around the patch
aircraft that has very low operating costs and another machine for the
long hauls . Next step is charge with sola power or develop a motor that
gives the power needed from a sola panel backed up by batteries . Great
stuff.
Downunder
Kolb MK111
503 { running costs about $45.00 per hour in fuel }
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From: Larry Cottrell
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: electric propulsion?
Well Martin, if you plan to come to the Rock House, you had best think
of a way to pack a generator with you, because while we have
electricity, I am not sure how many there are between us. :-) Better
still put it in a trailer, and drive it down. Just a rough guess at an
hour of flight time a day, I think you are going to have to start a week
early.
Larry
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
wrote:
At 06:44 PM 3/11/2013, Martin Koxxy wrote:
From empty, 10 hours on a single 15A 110V AC outlet. Or half that if
you have two circuits and 2 chargers. Or less if you have a 240V outlet.
Or 45 minutes on a CHAdeMo outlet...
http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/charging/
I plan to tie the plane down within reach of a single 110V outlet.
No harm to leave it plugged in overnight (or all week). But yes, one
flight per day, or maybe one in the morning and one in the evening.
Batteries can also be swapped out, but they are heavy and expensive.
About what I thought... gets limiting when you get bored with the
local area.
-Dana
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War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.-- Albert Einstein
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