Kolb-List Digest Archive

Sun 03/17/13


Total Messages Posted: 7



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     1. 09:58 AM - Half finished projects (alienwes)
     2. 10:09 AM - Re: Half finished projects (John Hauck)
     3. 10:23 AM - Re: Half finished projects (alienwes)
     4. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: Half finished projects (Bob)
     5. 11:44 AM - Re: Re: Half finished projects (gliderx5@comcast.net)
     6. 11:56 AM - Re: Re: Half finished projects (Malcolm Brubaker)
     7. 10:51 PM - different video attempt (Larry Cottrell)
 
 
 


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    Time: 09:58:55 AM PST US
    Subject: Half finished projects
    From: "alienwes" <elliott.wesley@yahoo.com>
    I noticed that on barnstormers there are a few projects for sale like a Mark III kit for 4K. It looks 50% complete. Can someone buy a 50% complete kit an finish it, then still get it registered as E-AB? Can you hire someone with experience to finish the kit? Any other thoughts on this method of acquiring a Kolb? Wes -------- Wesley Elliott Sport Pilot-PPC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396416#396416


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    Time: 10:09:03 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Half finished projects
    I noticed that on barnstormers there are a few projects for sale like a Mark III kit for 4K. It looks 50% complete. Can someone buy a 50% complete kit an finish it, then still get it registered as E-AB? Can you hire someone with experience to finish the kit? Any other thoughts on this method of acquiring a Kolb? Wesley Elliott Sport Pilot-PPC In response to the above, "What does the regulation say?" john h mkIII Titus, Alabama


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    Time: 10:23:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Half finished projects
    From: "alienwes" <elliott.wesley@yahoo.com>
    Regulation says 51% must be amateur built, but what if the 51% is built by another amateur? I am just trying to get answers from those who know the ropes a little more than me when it comes to E-AB. -------- Wesley Elliott Sport Pilot-PPC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396423#396423


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    Time: 10:53:56 AM PST US
    From: "Bob" <rmurrill@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Half finished projects
    You can surely get it approved as E-AB since it is on the FAA approved list....The issue is can you get the repairman certificate in your name for the aircraft....you need to convince the inspector that you have demonstrated that you built enough of it that you would be able to do the yearly inspections and any repairs. Bob Message----- From: alienwes Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:23 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Half finished projects Regulation says 51% must be amateur built, but what if the 51% is built by another amateur? I am just trying to get answers from those who know the ropes a little more than me when it comes to E-AB. -------- Wesley Elliott Sport Pilot-PPC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396423#396423


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    Time: 11:44:40 AM PST US
    From: gliderx5@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Half finished projects
    My experience indicates that it may be a little more difficult than it appe ars. To get an EAB Airworthiness Certificate you must prove to the DAR or t he FAA MIDO office that at least 50% of the aircraft was built by an amateu r for their own recreation or education. It does not have to be you, but it cannot be a professional builder paid to do the construction. You can pay someone to build part of the airplane, but you still need to document that at least 50% was done for fun. The inspection and paperwork requirement enf orcement varies from region to region, so try to get details of requirement s from some near you that has been through the process. I completed a parti ally built project 2 years ago and it was a nightmare. I had to produce a c onstruction log, including photos, of all the work done on the airplane. Ev en though I could document that I had done more than 50% myself I still had to track down the previous owners(s) and get details and photos from them, which I then added to my own builders log. If I had not been able to find them I would have been sunk. Than came the inspection. Our MIDO does not do homebuilt inspections any more. Instead you must hire a retired FAA inspec tor for $1500 to come spend 2 hours looking over your airplane and paperwor k. $1500 may not sound bad on a $80,000 RV, but it's a little ridiculous on a $6,000 Kolb. Once I had the Airworthiness Certificate I was able to take my builders log to the FAA FSDO and get the Repairmans Certificate. Completing an existing project if definitely possible, but make sure that y ou get documentation of the previous work. Or, make sure that you can docum ent all the pieces yourself. If it's a kit, you will also need the Bill of Sale from the factory and the serial number. Good luck, and let me know if I can be any assistance Malcolm http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Airplanes.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" <rmurrill@cox.net> Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:53:33 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Half finished projects You can surely get it approved as E-AB since it is on the FAA approved list....The issue is can you get the repairman certificate in your name for the aircraft....you need to convince the inspector that you have demonstrated that you built enough of it that you would be able to do the yearly inspections and any repairs. Bob Message----- From: alienwes Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:23 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Half finished projects Regulation says 51% must be amateur built, but what if the 51% is built by another amateur? I am just trying to get answers from those who know the ropes a little more than me when it comes to E-AB. -------- Wesley Elliott Sport Pilot-PPC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396423#396423 =========== =========== =========== ===========


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    Time: 11:56:46 AM PST US
    From: Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Half finished projects
    William winn on from the corvair authority posted a article in his news let ter about how he an!d His emery ridel crew built- several lancair planes as hired guns and all the under the table deals that made it happen.=0A=0A =0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport Pilot Repair =0Ahttp://mich igansportpilotrepair.com/ =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0AGreat Sails - Sailmaker =0Af or Ultralight & Light Sport=0A(989)513-3022 =0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A_____ ___________________________=0A From: "gliderx5@comcast.net" <gliderx5@comca st.net>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 2:44 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Half finished projects=0A =0A=0AMy experi ence indicates that it may be a little more difficult than it appears.- T o get an EAB Airworthiness Certificate you must prove to the DAR or the FAA MIDO office that at least 50% of the aircraft was built by an amateur for their own recreation or education.- It does not have to be you, but it ca nnot be a professional builder paid to do the construction.- You can pay someone to build part of the airplane, but you still need to document that at least 50% was done for fun.- The inspection and paperwork requirement enforcement varies from region to region, so try to get details of requirem ents from some near you that has been through the process.- I completed a partially built project 2 years ago and it was a nightmare.- I had to pr oduce a construction log, including photos, of all the work done on the air plane.- Even though I could document that I had done more than 50% myself I still had to track down the previous owners(s) and get details and photos from them, which I then added to my own builders log.- If I h ad not been able to find them I would have been sunk.- Than came the insp ection.- Our MIDO does not do homebuilt inspections any more.- Instead you must hire a retired FAA inspector for $1500 to come spend 2 hours looki ng over your airplane and paperwork.- $1500 may not sound bad on a $80,00 0 RV, but it's a little ridiculous on a $6,000 Kolb.- Once I had the Airw orthiness Certificate I was able to take my builders log to the FAA FSDO an d get the Repairmans Certificate.=0A=0ACompleting an existing project if de finitely possible, but make sure that you get documentation of the previous work.- Or, make sure that you can document all the pieces yourself.- I f it's a kit, you will also need the Bill of Sale from the factory and the serial number.=0A=0AGood luck, and let me know if I can be any assistance =0AMalcolm=0Ahttp://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Airplanes.htm=0A=0A_____ ___________________________=0AFrom: "Bob" <rmurrill@cox.net>=0ATo: kolb-lis t@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:53:33 PM=0ASubject: Re: Ko Bob" <rmurrill@cox.net>=0A=0AYou can surely get it approved as E-AB since i t is on the FAA approved =0Alist....The issue is can you get the repairman certificate in your name for =0Athe aircraft....you need to convince the in spector that you have =0Ademonstrated that you built enough of it that you would be able to do the =0Ayearly inspections and any repairs.=0A=0ABob=0A =0A=0A=0AMessage----- =0AFrom: alienwes=0ASent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:2 3 AM=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: Half finished ahoo.com>=0A=0ARegulation says 51% must be amateur built, but what if the 5 1% is built by =0Aanother amateur?=0A=0AI am just trying to get answers fro m those who know the ropes a little more =0Athan me when it comes to E-AB. =0A=0A--------=0AWesley Elliott=0ASport Pilot-PPC=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this t opic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396423 =


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    Time: 10:51:49 PM PST US
    Subject: different video attempt
    From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
    Things are a bit boring here in the South Eastern part of Oregon. The weather is a bit too "western" for fun flying, and I have finished my Annual, so the next best time killer is experimenting with videos. I do like to make them, and of course would like to make them as enjoyable as possible. Of course I am limited by my equipment which is just a normal computer purchased at Costco. My video program is Movie Maker that comes standard on Windows 7. It does not have the ability to lay down sound tracks, so I have depended on what ever music I can get away with putting with it and captions to try to tell the story. I noticed the other day that there is a sound recording function that works on my wife's lap top, and after much trial and error I was finally able to get a sound recording that I thought I could add on the sound track, and narrate the video as I recorded it. To do this I chose a video that I had made last year that had music already added on to it. In other words the video was already made and I reloaded it into the "Movie Maker" as raw video. That allowed me to add "music" to the video. The recorded sound track volume was quite a bit lower than I would have liked, so I had to reduce the background music quite a bit to be able to hear the narration at all. Don't forget to reduce the volume of your speakers when you are done viewing it or you will blast yourself out of your chair the next time you use the sound. I would welcome any thoughts that any of you might have as to whether this is worth the effort. Larry Firestar II 630 hours https://vimeo.com/62048681 password is owyheeflyer -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.*




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