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1. 09:58 AM - Half finished projects (alienwes)
2. 10:09 AM - Re: Half finished projects (John Hauck)
3. 10:23 AM - Re: Half finished projects (alienwes)
4. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: Half finished projects (Bob)
5. 11:44 AM - Re: Re: Half finished projects (gliderx5@comcast.net)
6. 11:56 AM - Re: Re: Half finished projects (Malcolm Brubaker)
7. 10:51 PM - different video attempt (Larry Cottrell)
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Subject: | Half finished projects |
I noticed that on barnstormers there are a few projects for sale like a Mark III
kit for 4K. It looks 50% complete.
Can someone buy a 50% complete kit an finish it, then still get it registered as
E-AB?
Can you hire someone with experience to finish the kit?
Any other thoughts on this method of acquiring a Kolb?
Wes
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Sport Pilot-PPC
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Subject: | Half finished projects |
I noticed that on barnstormers there are a few projects for sale like a Mark
III kit for 4K. It looks 50% complete.
Can someone buy a 50% complete kit an finish it, then still get it
registered as E-AB?
Can you hire someone with experience to finish the kit?
Any other thoughts on this method of acquiring a Kolb?
Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
In response to the above, "What does the regulation say?"
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: Half finished projects |
Regulation says 51% must be amateur built, but what if the 51% is built by another
amateur?
I am just trying to get answers from those who know the ropes a little more than
me when it comes to E-AB.
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Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
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Subject: | Re: Half finished projects |
You can surely get it approved as E-AB since it is on the FAA approved
list....The issue is can you get the repairman certificate in your name for
the aircraft....you need to convince the inspector that you have
demonstrated that you built enough of it that you would be able to do the
yearly inspections and any repairs.
Bob
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From: alienwes
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:23 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Half finished projects
Regulation says 51% must be amateur built, but what if the 51% is built by
another amateur?
I am just trying to get answers from those who know the ropes a little more
than me when it comes to E-AB.
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Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396423#396423
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Subject: | Re: Half finished projects |
My experience indicates that it may be a little more difficult than it appe
ars. To get an EAB Airworthiness Certificate you must prove to the DAR or t
he FAA MIDO office that at least 50% of the aircraft was built by an amateu
r for their own recreation or education. It does not have to be you, but it
cannot be a professional builder paid to do the construction. You can pay
someone to build part of the airplane, but you still need to document that
at least 50% was done for fun. The inspection and paperwork requirement enf
orcement varies from region to region, so try to get details of requirement
s from some near you that has been through the process. I completed a parti
ally built project 2 years ago and it was a nightmare. I had to produce a c
onstruction log, including photos, of all the work done on the airplane. Ev
en though I could document that I had done more than 50% myself I still had
to track down the previous owners(s) and get details and photos from them,
which I then added to my own builders log. If I had not been able to find
them I would have been sunk. Than came the inspection. Our MIDO does not do
homebuilt inspections any more. Instead you must hire a retired FAA inspec
tor for $1500 to come spend 2 hours looking over your airplane and paperwor
k. $1500 may not sound bad on a $80,000 RV, but it's a little ridiculous on
a $6,000 Kolb. Once I had the Airworthiness Certificate I was able to take
my builders log to the FAA FSDO and get the Repairmans Certificate.
Completing an existing project if definitely possible, but make sure that y
ou get documentation of the previous work. Or, make sure that you can docum
ent all the pieces yourself. If it's a kit, you will also need the Bill of
Sale from the factory and the serial number.
Good luck, and let me know if I can be any assistance
Malcolm
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Airplanes.htm
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From: "Bob" <rmurrill@cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:53:33 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Half finished projects
You can surely get it approved as E-AB since it is on the FAA approved
list....The issue is can you get the repairman certificate in your name for
the aircraft....you need to convince the inspector that you have
demonstrated that you built enough of it that you would be able to do the
yearly inspections and any repairs.
Bob
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From: alienwes
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:23 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Half finished projects
Regulation says 51% must be amateur built, but what if the 51% is built by
another amateur?
I am just trying to get answers from those who know the ropes a little more
than me when it comes to E-AB.
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Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396423#396423
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Subject: | Re: Half finished projects |
William winn on from the corvair authority posted a article in his news let
ter about how he an!d His emery ridel crew built- several lancair planes
as hired guns and all the under the table deals that made it happen.=0A=0A
=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport Pilot Repair =0Ahttp://mich
igansportpilotrepair.com/ =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0AGreat Sails - Sailmaker =0Af
or Ultralight & Light Sport=0A(989)513-3022 =0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A_____
___________________________=0A From: "gliderx5@comcast.net" <gliderx5@comca
st.net>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 2:44
PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Half finished projects=0A =0A=0AMy experi
ence indicates that it may be a little more difficult than it appears.- T
o get an EAB Airworthiness Certificate you must prove to the DAR or the FAA
MIDO office that at least 50% of the aircraft was built by an amateur for
their own recreation or education.- It does not have to be you, but it ca
nnot be a professional builder paid to do the construction.- You can pay
someone to build part of the airplane, but you still need to document that
at least 50% was done for fun.- The inspection and paperwork requirement
enforcement varies from region to region, so try to get details of requirem
ents from some near you that has been through the process.- I completed a
partially built project 2 years ago and it was a nightmare.- I had to pr
oduce a construction log, including photos, of all the work done on the air
plane.- Even though I could document that I had done more than 50% myself
I still had to track down the previous owners(s) and get details
and photos from them, which I then added to my own builders log.- If I h
ad not been able to find them I would have been sunk.- Than came the insp
ection.- Our MIDO does not do homebuilt inspections any more.- Instead
you must hire a retired FAA inspector for $1500 to come spend 2 hours looki
ng over your airplane and paperwork.- $1500 may not sound bad on a $80,00
0 RV, but it's a little ridiculous on a $6,000 Kolb.- Once I had the Airw
orthiness Certificate I was able to take my builders log to the FAA FSDO an
d get the Repairmans Certificate.=0A=0ACompleting an existing project if de
finitely possible, but make sure that you get documentation of the previous
work.- Or, make sure that you can document all the pieces yourself.- I
f it's a kit, you will also need the Bill of Sale from the factory and the
serial number.=0A=0AGood luck, and let me know if I can be any assistance
=0AMalcolm=0Ahttp://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Airplanes.htm=0A=0A_____
___________________________=0AFrom: "Bob" <rmurrill@cox.net>=0ATo: kolb-lis
t@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 1:53:33 PM=0ASubject: Re: Ko
Bob" <rmurrill@cox.net>=0A=0AYou can surely get it approved as E-AB since i
t is on the FAA approved =0Alist....The issue is can you get the repairman
certificate in your name for =0Athe aircraft....you need to convince the in
spector that you have =0Ademonstrated that you built enough of it that you
would be able to do the =0Ayearly inspections and any repairs.=0A=0ABob=0A
=0A=0A=0AMessage----- =0AFrom: alienwes=0ASent: Sunday, March 17, 2013 10:2
3 AM=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: Half finished
ahoo.com>=0A=0ARegulation says 51% must be amateur built, but what if the 5
1% is built by =0Aanother amateur?=0A=0AI am just trying to get answers fro
m those who know the ropes a little more =0Athan me when it comes to E-AB.
=0A=0A--------=0AWesley Elliott=0ASport Pilot-PPC=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this t
opic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396423
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Subject: | different video attempt |
Things are a bit boring here in the South Eastern part of Oregon. The
weather is a bit too "western" for fun flying, and I have finished my
Annual, so the next best time killer is experimenting with videos. I do
like to make them, and of course would like to make them as enjoyable as
possible. Of course I am limited by my equipment which is just a normal
computer purchased at Costco. My video program is Movie Maker that comes
standard on Windows 7. It does not have the ability to lay down sound
tracks, so I have depended on what ever music I can get away with putting
with it and captions to try to tell the story. I noticed the other day that
there is a sound recording function that works on my wife's lap top, and
after much trial and error I was finally able to get a sound recording that
I thought I could add on the sound track, and narrate the video as I
recorded it. To do this I chose a video that I had made last year that had
music already added on to it. In other words the video was already made and
I reloaded it into the "Movie Maker" as raw video. That allowed me to add
"music" to the video.
The recorded sound track volume was quite a bit lower than I would have
liked, so I had to reduce the background music quite a bit to be able to
hear the narration at all. Don't forget to reduce the volume of your
speakers when you are done viewing it or you will blast yourself out of
your chair the next time you use the sound.
I would welcome any thoughts that any of you might have as to whether this
is worth the effort.
Larry
Firestar II 630 hours
https://vimeo.com/62048681 password is owyheeflyer
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