---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/31/13: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:47 AM - Re: Medical and LSA (Bob) 2. 01:36 AM - Re: Mark III for sale (Bob) 3. 07:07 AM - Smoketown Kolb crash (olendorf) 4. 11:01 AM - Re: Kolbra tandem seating - size question (Ralph B) 5. 02:07 PM - Re: Medical and LSA (jvanlaak@aol.com) 6. 08:23 PM - Re: Kolbra tandem seating - size question (Dennis Thate) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:56 AM PST US From: "Bob" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Medical and LSA Tom .... Concur with almost everything you said on the medicals and LSA. As an older Kolb builder and HP-18 sailplane owner who did not as yet renew his 3rd class medical this year these rules matter. Hard decision to give up on night flying or abandon the IFR investment and flexibility. Harder still, the risk to be essentially grounded if still in good health. Plus I would have several airplanes that would need to be sold. Besides the Part 103 option, I still believe gliders and balloons are treated differently. Check out CFR 61.23 paragraph b items 2 and 3 seem to provide a special carve out exemption for gliders and balloons vs. next paragraph c item 2 which is where you get nixed for sport pilot for all other categories and classes if you failed your most recent medical. Am I reading it incorrectly? Bob From: The Kuffels Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:18 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Medical and LSA << If you fail your third class and can't get it reinstated through the appeals process your aviation career is done except for gliders. >> Several messages have the same misconceptions. The medical rules for LSA and gliders are the same. First the general rule for all pilots: If you are aware of a condition which makes you medically unfit to fly, then it is illegal for you to fly. Next, if you have a driver's license then you are presumed to be medically fit to fly LSA/gliders unless you are aware of not meeting the first rule. Now the real kicker: If you have failed your most recent medical you are already and permanently presumed to still have a condition which makes you medically unfit to fly. The only way around this is to go through the hoops to get your medical reestablished. Then you can let your medical lapse and continue to fly LSA/glider if you have a driver's license (and can say with a straight face you meet the general rule). The moral of the story is if you might fail your medical, do not take it. If you have already failed your most recent medical and can not get it reinstated your only legal option is Part 103 ultralights. The same Catch-22 will apply to the new self-certifying medical if the FAA approves it. Tom Kuffel, CFI Whitefish, MT ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:36:22 AM PST US From: "Bob" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III for sale You've probably already looked into this, but last year the AOPA traveling road show had a session on what their offices do to help with medicals. They work 1st, 2nd and 3rd class problems. The presenter was a doctor who had the expected horror stories of both really serious pilot medical problems, agency screw-ups and success stories with policy turnarounds and medicals being issued that previously didn't have a chance. Gives you another avenue into the system with some knowledgeable advocacy on your side. Might be worth a phone call. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Steve Simmons Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 8:57 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Mark III for sale No I was a commercial part 135 Helicopter and flying DC3 freight on the side -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 7:58 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Mark III for sale No John, the darn feds have said if you have a license and you don't meet the medical standards that you cannot fly litesport, does not make a difference of I can drive a 80,000 lb truck remember the feds are here to help. Thanks John Reckon you didn't have a PVT ticket before you went LSA? john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:57 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Smoketown Kolb crash From: "olendorf" This came in via my automated Google Alerts. This is all I know about the crash. http://lancasteronline.com/article/local/832417_Plane-crashes-on-takeoff-at-Smoketown-Airport--pilot-killed.html -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397409#397409 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:01:49 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolbra tandem seating - size question From: "Ralph B" I gave a ride to this fellow and I estimate his weight at about 230lbs. He is over 6' and this was with the 912 80hp engine. I now have a 912 100hp and it would have given me a shorter takeoff roll and better climb. As it was, it seemed like forever getting to 1000', but we cruised around for awhile and I came in hot for a smooth landing. He was impressed with the Kolbra and I was happy to have given him a ride. I also gave Dennis Thate on this list a ride during our hanger party last fall. He might comment on his ride. There have been many others that I have given rides to. If you saw my last video of the flight to Lake Mille Lacs, I ride with my wife on most flights and she carries a little with her too (I'm trying to be nice so I don't offend her if she reads this). When we go on long distance flights, there isn't much room to carry anything except tiedowns, a small softsided cooler, and jackets. If I fly solo, then I can carry a tent, sleeping bag, extra fuel tank, and a personal bag. -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000+ hours 26 years flying it Kolbra 912ULS N20386 200 hours Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397428#397428 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/paul_1__674.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:07:30 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Medical and LSA From: jvanlaak@aol.com I am a Kolb lover (built a Firestar in 1988) who rarely posts anything on h ere but I have an important point to make. I am good friends with the head of the FAA Civil Aerospace Medicine Institute and he tells me that over 95 % of people who go through the hoops to get their medical back are successf ul. Sometimes that can be expensive (major heart surgery, liver transplant , that sort of thing) but for most people it is not too bad. The overwhelm ing majority of people who "lose their medical" don't bother to try. That is a personal decision but I for one take comfort in the idea that I can fa il one time and not be grounded forever. BTW, a local fish spotter last year was running out of time to get his spec ial issuance 2nd class (he had cancer but is in remission) so I called my D r. friend. The spotter got a call the next day that his medical was in the mail. Jim -----Original Message----- From: The Kuffels Sent: Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:53 am Subject: Kolb-List: Medical and LSA << If you fail your third class and can't get it reinstated through the ap peals process your aviation career is done except for gliders. >> Several messages have the same misconceptions. The medical rules for LSA a nd gliders are the same. First the general rule for all pilots: If you are aware of a condition whi ch makes you medically unfit to fly, then it is illegal for you to fly. Next, if you have a driver's license then you are presumed to be medically fit to fly LSA/gliders unless you are aware of not meeting the first rule. Now the real kicker: If you have failed your most recent medical you are al ready and permanently presumed to still have a condition which makes you me dically unfit to fly. The only way around this is to go through the hoops to get your medical reestablished. Then you can let your medical lapse and continue to fly LSA/glider if you have a driver's license (and can say wit h a straight face you meet the general rule). The moral of the story is if you might fail your medical, do not take it. If you have already failed your most recent medical and can not get it rein stated your only legal option is Part 103 ultralights. The same Catch-22 will apply to the new self-certifying medical if the FAA approves it. Tom Kuffel, CFI Whitefish, MT ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:25 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolbra tandem seating - size question From: "Dennis Thate" At 220 pounds , I recall it being a bit of a tight fit... but once situated it was a comfortable flight experience. I would like to own a tandem seat Kolbra myself, but I would get a backseat test flight before you lay down your money. Cheers ! -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. 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