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1. 02:28 AM - Re: Medical and LSA (Thom Riddle)
2. 03:24 AM - Re: who can fly what (Pat Ladd)
3. 03:43 AM - Re: Re: Medical and LSA (Dana Hague)
4. 03:58 AM - Re: who can fly what (Dana Hague)
5. 04:48 AM - Re: who can fly what (Malcolm Brubaker)
6. 04:53 AM - Re: Re: Medical and LSA (Pat Ladd)
7. 04:59 AM - Re: Re: Medical and LSA (Pat Ladd)
8. 05:16 AM - Re: who can fly what (Pat Ladd)
9. 09:39 AM - Re: who can fly what (Dana Hague)
10. 09:39 AM - Re: Re: Medical and LSA (Dana Hague)
11. 07:36 PM - Re: Kolbra tandem seating - size question (sparky60)
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Subject: | Re: Medical and LSA |
One thing a lot of airplane pilots believe erroneously, is that a private pilot
with or without a medical can hop into a motorglider and fly solo legally in
the USA. Not so, to fly a motorglider (self-launched glider/sailplane) solo one
must have a glider pilot certificate.
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/licensing-and-training/licensing-faq
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Subject: | Re: who can fly what |
no medical is required, but if you once did have a medical, the most
recent one can't be failed. >>
Dana,
That seems odd.
`no medical required` would seem to cover all eventualities.
As for the rest
a) the first sentence (no medical required) makes this additional line
totally unnecessary.
b) If you had a medical and failed, that failure can be set aside. Very
strange
So the position is that if you were failed on your medical to fly a
Cessna. because you had fits you could switch to Sports cat.and fly
legally provided you choose not to tell anyone about the fits.
When a plane falls on someone one of these days because the pilot had
fits the FAA are going to hold their hands up and say `Its not our
fault. The pilot was very naughty and didn`t tell us about the fits`
I can see some lawyer getting very rich at that point.
Pat
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Subject: | Re: Medical and LSA |
At 05:27 AM 4/2/2013, Thom Riddle wrote:
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>One thing a lot of airplane pilots believe erroneously, is that a private
>pilot with or without a medical can hop into a motorglider and fly solo
>legally in the USA. Not so, to fly a motorglider (self-launched
>glider/sailplane) solo one must have a glider pilot certificate.
If the motorglider has a standard airworthiness certificate, that is
correct. However, a Private Pilot can fly solo in ANY experimental
aircraft (air/land/multi/glider/rotorcraft/whatever) without any additional
certificates or ratings.
Dana
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Subject: | Re: who can fly what |
At 06:23 AM 4/2/2013, Pat Ladd wrote:
> no medical is required, but if you once did have a medical, the most
> recent one can't be failed. >>
>
>That seems odd.
>`no medical required` would seem to cover all eventualities.
>
>As for the rest
>
>a) the first sentence (no medical required) makes this additional line
>totally unnecessary.
>b) If you had a medical and failed, that failure can be set aside. Very
>strange
>
>So the position is that if you were failed on your medical to fly a
>Cessna. because you had fits you could switch to Sports cat.and fly
>legally provided you choose not to tell anyone about the fits.
No, if you fail the medical, it cannot be "set aside"; you have to either
correct the condition that caused the failure or apply for a special
issuance medical. A Sport Pilot must self certify that he's OK to fly. A
failed medical makes him ineligible to self certify. If a SP with no
medical (expired or never had one) has a medical condition that causes him
to have an accident, the FAA can go after him.
Dana
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Subject: | Re: who can fly what |
theself certified-concept is valid,- for exampil -,in my town a guy i
know had a dissy spell and went to the doctor he -had several tests noth
ing was conclusive so he asked Dr Pinells-opinion--founder of air doc
s as he lives here in Michigan. being on the safe side my Buddy concluded h
e was no longer Safe to fly himself for several month, finally he started f
lying again. just because you have a drivers license it doesn't mean your s
afe to drive everyday.this self certified medical means We have the choice
and freedom to decide for ourselves -- as long as we qualify for a driv
ers license. -however some people cant handle that responsibility and fly
when they sometimes shouldn't and people of a moor controlling nature feel
THEY should be allowed to decide for us or that somebody should be in char
ge of deciding .----=0A=0A=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMichigan
Sport Pilot Repair =0Ahttp://michigansportpilotrepair.com/ =0ALSRM-A, PPC,
WS=0AGreat Sails - Sailmaker =0Afor Ultralight & Light Sport=0A(989)513-30
22 =0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Dana
Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesd
ay, April 2, 2013 6:46 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: who can fly what=0A
=0A=0AAt 06:23 AM 4/2/2013, Pat Ladd wrote:=0A=0A-no medical is required,
but=0Aif you once did have a medical, the most recent one can't be failed.
=0A>>=0A>- =0A>=0AThat seems =0Aodd.=0A>`no medical required` would seem
to=0Acover all eventualities. =0A>-=0A>As for the =0Arest=0A>-=0A>a) th
e first sentence (no medical=0Arequired) makes this additional line totally
=0Aunnecessary.=0A>b) If you- had a medical and=0Afailed, that failure ca
n be set aside. Very=0Astrange=0A>-=0A>So the position is that if you wer
e=0Afailed on your medical to fly a Cessna. because you had fits you could
=0Aswitch to Sports cat.and fly legally provided you choose not to tell=0Aa
nyone about the=0Afits.=0ANo, if you fail the medical, it cannot be "set as
ide"; you have=0Ato either correct the condition that caused the failure or
apply for a=0Aspecial issuance medical.- A Sport Pilot must self certify
that he's=0AOK to fly.- A failed medical makes him ineligible to self=0A
certify.- If a SP with no medical (expired or never had one) has a=0Amedi
cal condition that causes him to have an accident, the FAA can go=0Aafter h
im.=0A=0ADana=0A=0A-- =0AIt is probably true that stupid people would not w
atch intelligent=0Atelevision, but it is certainly true that intelligent pe
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Subject: | Re: Medical and LSA |
to fly a motorglider (self-launched glider/sailplane) solo one must have a
glider pilot certificate.>>
Hi Thom,
Having a licence to fly something (a certicate of competence) is one thing.
Being medically approved to do so is another.
You seem to be in the happy position that you can fly ultralights without
either.
Sports class seems to require a flying licence but no medical provided that
you have a driving licence. I assume in that case that you need a medical to
get a driving licence.
The next step up to a heavier machine requires a flying licence and a proper
medical examination.
Here you need a flying licence to fly anything, but the authorities
recognise that you do not have to be a superman to tootle around the sky in
a Tiger Moth on a Sunday afternoon and the requirements reflect that. As
does the medical.
I think that we have the advantage that each branch of flying has its own
organisation.
Therefore the government has handed over the running of all flying to the
CAA (your FAA)
Below that the British Gliding Association (BGA) is responsible for all
gliding..Flying training, safety issues, approval of new types, training
instructors, setting competence levels for pilots, organising National and
International Competitions. They approve the formation of new clubs.Fight
legal issues on behalf of members etc I don`t know about a medical. It was
not needed in my gliding days.
The Light Aircraft Association. deals with all the above but on behalf of
anything with an engine. Started prewar as a club for those building simple
small airplanes from plans, up to two seats. Now includes 4 seaters and
light twins.and kit planes, replicas. There are Se5 and Fokker Eindeckers on
the roster. The edge between microlights and kit planes is a bit blurred. My
Kolb was dealt with by LAA.
Then there is the British Microlight Aircraft Assoc.(BMAA)
This deals with all aircraft which fall within the legal definition of a
microlight. (All up weight, wing loading etc) Issues Noise certificates. for
each type. Approves new types for engineering standards,flying
characteristics etc
Both the LAA and BMAA get flack for not allowing types from abroad with good
records on to the approved lists.
The various organisations each fight there own corner against government
interference. The blanket ban on flying within a large area during the
recent Olympics is a case in point.The various organisations got the area
amended and the pre declaration requirement of all flights reduced. Various
flying schools faced bankrupcy had the original proposals gone through.
There is a strong move towards an agreed engineering standard for all
microlights with the European Union with the intention of simplifying the
process of licensing. A type approved in one country would then be
automatically acceptable in all others.The BMAA and the LAA are both
involved in the negotiations at government level.
Both the LAA and the BMAA fight any proposals by local Councils to take over
existing airfields to build houses. A favourite with Councils. A big flat
field is very enticing for house builders.
I hadn`t intended to write such a long post but it sort of got away from me.
Sorry
Pat
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Subject: | Re: Medical and LSA |
If the motorglider has a standard airworthiness certificate, that is
correct. However, a Private Pilot can fly solo in ANY experimental
aircraft (air/land/multi/glider/rotorcraft/whatever) without any
additional certificates or ratings.
Grief.
Surely an Airworthiness Certificate merely certifies THE PLANE.
That has nothing to do with competence. Do you really mean that someone
with a pilots licence can just get into a helicopter and fly it.
The mind boggles
Pat
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Subject: | Re: who can fly what |
<<if you once did have a medical, the most recent one can't be failed>>
I don`t think that I am thick but just what does that mean?
To me it reads that if you failed your last medical ignore it because
you can`t be failed. Which is nonsense.
Very puzzled
Pat.
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Subject: | Re: who can fly what |
At 08:16 AM 4/2/2013, Pat Ladd wrote:
><<if you once did have a medical, the most recent one can't be failed>>
>
>I don`t think that I am thick but just what does that mean?
>
>To me it reads that if you failed your last medical ignore it because you
>can`t be failed. Which is nonsense.
Just what it says.
If you never had a medical, you can fly as a Sport Pilot.
If you had a medical but it expired, you can fly as a SP (example, a
Private Pilot dropping down to SP).
If you failed a medical, you can't fly as a SP.
If you failed a medical and then get a medical through a special issuance
or whatever, you can fly as a SP. If you then let that one expire, you can
still fly as a SP.
Dana
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Subject: | Re: Medical and LSA |
At 07:58 AM 4/2/2013, Pat Ladd wrote:
>If the motorglider has a standard airworthiness certificate, that is
>correct. However, a Private Pilot can fly solo in ANY experimental
>aircraft (air/land/multi/glider/rotorcraft/whatever) without any
>additional certificates or ratings.
>Grief.
>
>Surely an Airworthiness Certificate merely certifies THE PLANE.
>That has nothing to do with competence. Do you really mean that someone
>with a pilots licence can just get into a helicopter and fly it.
>The mind boggles
Possibly one of those unintended consequences of the way the rules were
written, I guess. The regulations on pilot certification specify what
pilot certificates are required for any particular category or class of
aircraft, and then go on to say that that section of the regulations don't
apply to any experimental aircraft flown solo. Presumably it was worded
that way to allow testing of entirely new types of aircraft for which no
corresponding pilot certificate exists, but the consequence is that yes, a
private pilot with only an airplane rating airplane can legally solo an
experimental helicopter, etc. I guess the theory is also, like our
ultralight regulations not requiring any pilot certificate, you're free to
kill yourself, just don't take anybody else with you.
Dana
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Subject: | Re: Kolbra tandem seating - size question |
If you are looking for a Kolbra, I have one for sale in Nebraska. Any questions,
let me know. You can email me at gittlj@q.com Larry[/b]
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