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Tue 04/02/13


Total Messages Posted: 11



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     1. 02:28 AM - Re: Medical and LSA (Thom Riddle)
     2. 03:24 AM - Re: who can fly what (Pat Ladd)
     3. 03:43 AM - Re: Re: Medical and LSA (Dana Hague)
     4. 03:58 AM - Re: who can fly what (Dana Hague)
     5. 04:48 AM - Re: who can fly what (Malcolm Brubaker)
     6. 04:53 AM - Re: Re: Medical and LSA (Pat Ladd)
     7. 04:59 AM - Re: Re: Medical and LSA (Pat Ladd)
     8. 05:16 AM - Re: who can fly what (Pat Ladd)
     9. 09:39 AM - Re: who can fly what (Dana Hague)
    10. 09:39 AM - Re: Re: Medical and LSA (Dana Hague)
    11. 07:36 PM - Re: Kolbra tandem seating - size question (sparky60)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:28:10 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Medical and LSA
    From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
    One thing a lot of airplane pilots believe erroneously, is that a private pilot with or without a medical can hop into a motorglider and fly solo legally in the USA. Not so, to fly a motorglider (self-launched glider/sailplane) solo one must have a glider pilot certificate. https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/licensing-and-training/licensing-faq -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Kolb Slingshot SS-021 no engine FOR SALE Diamond Katana DA20-A1 Rotax 912 F3 Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long. - Anonymous Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397623#397623


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    Time: 03:24:19 AM PST US
    From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: who can fly what
    no medical is required, but if you once did have a medical, the most recent one can't be failed. >> Dana, That seems odd. `no medical required` would seem to cover all eventualities. As for the rest a) the first sentence (no medical required) makes this additional line totally unnecessary. b) If you had a medical and failed, that failure can be set aside. Very strange So the position is that if you were failed on your medical to fly a Cessna. because you had fits you could switch to Sports cat.and fly legally provided you choose not to tell anyone about the fits. When a plane falls on someone one of these days because the pilot had fits the FAA are going to hold their hands up and say `Its not our fault. The pilot was very naughty and didn`t tell us about the fits` I can see some lawyer getting very rich at that point. Pat


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    Time: 03:43:30 AM PST US
    From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Medical and LSA
    At 05:27 AM 4/2/2013, Thom Riddle wrote: > >One thing a lot of airplane pilots believe erroneously, is that a private >pilot with or without a medical can hop into a motorglider and fly solo >legally in the USA. Not so, to fly a motorglider (self-launched >glider/sailplane) solo one must have a glider pilot certificate. If the motorglider has a standard airworthiness certificate, that is correct. However, a Private Pilot can fly solo in ANY experimental aircraft (air/land/multi/glider/rotorcraft/whatever) without any additional certificates or ratings. Dana -- There are 3 kinds of people: those who can count & those who can't.


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    Time: 03:58:35 AM PST US
    From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: who can fly what
    At 06:23 AM 4/2/2013, Pat Ladd wrote: > no medical is required, but if you once did have a medical, the most > recent one can't be failed. >> > >That seems odd. >`no medical required` would seem to cover all eventualities. > >As for the rest > >a) the first sentence (no medical required) makes this additional line >totally unnecessary. >b) If you had a medical and failed, that failure can be set aside. Very >strange > >So the position is that if you were failed on your medical to fly a >Cessna. because you had fits you could switch to Sports cat.and fly >legally provided you choose not to tell anyone about the fits. No, if you fail the medical, it cannot be "set aside"; you have to either correct the condition that caused the failure or apply for a special issuance medical. A Sport Pilot must self certify that he's OK to fly. A failed medical makes him ineligible to self certify. If a SP with no medical (expired or never had one) has a medical condition that causes him to have an accident, the FAA can go after him. Dana -- It is probably true that stupid people would not watch intelligent television, but it is certainly true that intelligent people will watch stupid television.


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    Time: 04:48:48 AM PST US
    From: Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: who can fly what
    theself certified-concept is valid,- for exampil -,in my town a guy i know had a dissy spell and went to the doctor he -had several tests noth ing was conclusive so he asked Dr Pinells-opinion--founder of air doc s as he lives here in Michigan. being on the safe side my Buddy concluded h e was no longer Safe to fly himself for several month, finally he started f lying again. just because you have a drivers license it doesn't mean your s afe to drive everyday.this self certified medical means We have the choice and freedom to decide for ourselves -- as long as we qualify for a driv ers license. -however some people cant handle that responsibility and fly when they sometimes shouldn't and people of a moor controlling nature feel THEY should be allowed to decide for us or that somebody should be in char ge of deciding .----=0A=0A=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMichigan Sport Pilot Repair =0Ahttp://michigansportpilotrepair.com/ =0ALSRM-A, PPC, WS=0AGreat Sails - Sailmaker =0Afor Ultralight & Light Sport=0A(989)513-30 22 =0A- =0A=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesd ay, April 2, 2013 6:46 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: who can fly what=0A =0A=0AAt 06:23 AM 4/2/2013, Pat Ladd wrote:=0A=0A-no medical is required, but=0Aif you once did have a medical, the most recent one can't be failed. =0A>>=0A>- =0A>=0AThat seems =0Aodd.=0A>`no medical required` would seem to=0Acover all eventualities. =0A>-=0A>As for the =0Arest=0A>-=0A>a) th e first sentence (no medical=0Arequired) makes this additional line totally =0Aunnecessary.=0A>b) If you- had a medical and=0Afailed, that failure ca n be set aside. Very=0Astrange=0A>-=0A>So the position is that if you wer e=0Afailed on your medical to fly a Cessna. because you had fits you could =0Aswitch to Sports cat.and fly legally provided you choose not to tell=0Aa nyone about the=0Afits.=0ANo, if you fail the medical, it cannot be "set as ide"; you have=0Ato either correct the condition that caused the failure or apply for a=0Aspecial issuance medical.- A Sport Pilot must self certify that he's=0AOK to fly.- A failed medical makes him ineligible to self=0A certify.- If a SP with no medical (expired or never had one) has a=0Amedi cal condition that causes him to have an accident, the FAA can go=0Aafter h im.=0A=0ADana=0A=0A-- =0AIt is probably true that stupid people would not w atch intelligent=0Atelevision, but it is certainly true that intelligent pe ====


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    Time: 04:53:09 AM PST US
    From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Medical and LSA
    to fly a motorglider (self-launched glider/sailplane) solo one must have a glider pilot certificate.>> Hi Thom, Having a licence to fly something (a certicate of competence) is one thing. Being medically approved to do so is another. You seem to be in the happy position that you can fly ultralights without either. Sports class seems to require a flying licence but no medical provided that you have a driving licence. I assume in that case that you need a medical to get a driving licence. The next step up to a heavier machine requires a flying licence and a proper medical examination. Here you need a flying licence to fly anything, but the authorities recognise that you do not have to be a superman to tootle around the sky in a Tiger Moth on a Sunday afternoon and the requirements reflect that. As does the medical. I think that we have the advantage that each branch of flying has its own organisation. Therefore the government has handed over the running of all flying to the CAA (your FAA) Below that the British Gliding Association (BGA) is responsible for all gliding..Flying training, safety issues, approval of new types, training instructors, setting competence levels for pilots, organising National and International Competitions. They approve the formation of new clubs.Fight legal issues on behalf of members etc I don`t know about a medical. It was not needed in my gliding days. The Light Aircraft Association. deals with all the above but on behalf of anything with an engine. Started prewar as a club for those building simple small airplanes from plans, up to two seats. Now includes 4 seaters and light twins.and kit planes, replicas. There are Se5 and Fokker Eindeckers on the roster. The edge between microlights and kit planes is a bit blurred. My Kolb was dealt with by LAA. Then there is the British Microlight Aircraft Assoc.(BMAA) This deals with all aircraft which fall within the legal definition of a microlight. (All up weight, wing loading etc) Issues Noise certificates. for each type. Approves new types for engineering standards,flying characteristics etc Both the LAA and BMAA get flack for not allowing types from abroad with good records on to the approved lists. The various organisations each fight there own corner against government interference. The blanket ban on flying within a large area during the recent Olympics is a case in point.The various organisations got the area amended and the pre declaration requirement of all flights reduced. Various flying schools faced bankrupcy had the original proposals gone through. There is a strong move towards an agreed engineering standard for all microlights with the European Union with the intention of simplifying the process of licensing. A type approved in one country would then be automatically acceptable in all others.The BMAA and the LAA are both involved in the negotiations at government level. Both the LAA and the BMAA fight any proposals by local Councils to take over existing airfields to build houses. A favourite with Councils. A big flat field is very enticing for house builders. I hadn`t intended to write such a long post but it sort of got away from me. Sorry Pat


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    Time: 04:59:00 AM PST US
    From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Medical and LSA
    If the motorglider has a standard airworthiness certificate, that is correct. However, a Private Pilot can fly solo in ANY experimental aircraft (air/land/multi/glider/rotorcraft/whatever) without any additional certificates or ratings. Grief. Surely an Airworthiness Certificate merely certifies THE PLANE. That has nothing to do with competence. Do you really mean that someone with a pilots licence can just get into a helicopter and fly it. The mind boggles Pat


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    Time: 05:16:26 AM PST US
    From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: who can fly what
    <<if you once did have a medical, the most recent one can't be failed>> I don`t think that I am thick but just what does that mean? To me it reads that if you failed your last medical ignore it because you can`t be failed. Which is nonsense. Very puzzled Pat.


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    Time: 09:39:15 AM PST US
    From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: who can fly what
    At 08:16 AM 4/2/2013, Pat Ladd wrote: ><<if you once did have a medical, the most recent one can't be failed>> > >I don`t think that I am thick but just what does that mean? > >To me it reads that if you failed your last medical ignore it because you >can`t be failed. Which is nonsense. Just what it says. If you never had a medical, you can fly as a Sport Pilot. If you had a medical but it expired, you can fly as a SP (example, a Private Pilot dropping down to SP). If you failed a medical, you can't fly as a SP. If you failed a medical and then get a medical through a special issuance or whatever, you can fly as a SP. If you then let that one expire, you can still fly as a SP. Dana -- Politics: Poli (many) - tics (blood sucking parasites)


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    Time: 09:39:15 AM PST US
    From: Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Medical and LSA
    At 07:58 AM 4/2/2013, Pat Ladd wrote: >If the motorglider has a standard airworthiness certificate, that is >correct. However, a Private Pilot can fly solo in ANY experimental >aircraft (air/land/multi/glider/rotorcraft/whatever) without any >additional certificates or ratings. >Grief. > >Surely an Airworthiness Certificate merely certifies THE PLANE. >That has nothing to do with competence. Do you really mean that someone >with a pilots licence can just get into a helicopter and fly it. >The mind boggles Possibly one of those unintended consequences of the way the rules were written, I guess. The regulations on pilot certification specify what pilot certificates are required for any particular category or class of aircraft, and then go on to say that that section of the regulations don't apply to any experimental aircraft flown solo. Presumably it was worded that way to allow testing of entirely new types of aircraft for which no corresponding pilot certificate exists, but the consequence is that yes, a private pilot with only an airplane rating airplane can legally solo an experimental helicopter, etc. I guess the theory is also, like our ultralight regulations not requiring any pilot certificate, you're free to kill yourself, just don't take anybody else with you. Dana -- Politics: Poli (many) - tics (blood sucking parasites)


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    Time: 07:36:28 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kolbra tandem seating - size question
    From: "sparky60" <gittlj@q.com>
    If you are looking for a Kolbra, I have one for sale in Nebraska. Any questions, let me know. You can email me at gittlj@q.com Larry[/b] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397705#397705




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