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1. 05:07 AM - Re: Re: who can fly what (Pat Ladd)
2. 05:50 AM - Re: who can fly what (Malcolm Brubaker)
3. 06:40 AM - Re: who can fly what (John Hauck)
4. 07:19 AM - Re: who can fly what (Dennis Thate)
5. 05:07 PM - Re: who can fly what (Charlie England)
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| Subject: | Re: who can fly what |
According to the FAA our ULs are not aircraft (just vehicles), >>
Hi Thom,
That's a nice one. One could argue that in that case you are not under their
jurisdiction in any shape or form..
Luckily here the CAA just added microlights as another class of flying
machine and wrote a specification, in consultation with the BMAA, therefore
there is no doubt of your planes category .Consequently we have no limit to
the amount of fuel we carry, speed or height at which we can fly. There is a
formula based on wing loading and maximum weight and a maximum stalling
speed. This stops the evolution of a `lead sled` which might be difficult to
handle. This has not stopped several microlights now cruising at 100 mph
plus and the max weight has been adjusted upwards to accommodate improved
,but heavier designs.
Many pilots who flew `real` planes are switching to the upper end of the
microlight range for financial reasons.
You have your own doctors medical declaration. Cost around 10 or20
depending on how well you know him instead of an expensive medical by an
`approved`examiner. At least 150.
Increased range of self maintenance, cheaper insurance. Performance often
better, certainly more fuel efficient.
I have a friend with a Tiger Moth. When I was flying my Eurostar I could
take off as he flew overhead. Climb to his height and overtake him within a
few miles. When I told him my costs compared to his he nearly had a fit.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: who can fly what |
I am in florida now early for sun fun so i wont return email consistently.
for a while.- my first year volintering sun fun-I told this guy i wante
d to fly in that chalanger and he told me he owned that plane and we tried
to stop his friend as he taxied buy the pilot just looked at us and gave us
a in a minut juster. the pilot then took off had a stroke on down wind and
stufed it in the dirt on down wind rite ther at sun fun ,killing him self
instently,-he was a high time ga pilot that lost his medical and was flyi
ng UL trainers for that reason.- this is- another reason why they- di
d away with UL trainers- with NO medical required, alot of ga pilots took
up ul trainor flying,--a common -UL phrase was your only one medical
away from being a UL-pilot -=0A=0A=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker =0AMich
igan Sport Pilot Repair =0Ahttp://michigansportpilotrepair.com/=0ALSRM-A, P
PC, WS=0AGreat Sails - Sailmaker =0Afor Ultralight & Light Sport=0A(989)513
-3022=0A-=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Herb
Gayheart <herbgh@nctc.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday
, April 3, 2013 7:50 AM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: who can fly what=0A=0A=0A
What does one do when the legislators are stupid?? :-)-- Herb =0A=0AAt
08:44 AM 4/3/2013, you wrote:=0A=0Ahad a dissy spell and went to the doctor
>>=0A>-=0A>Hi Malcolm,=0A>very sensible- and in that case the system w
orked as it is supposed to.=0A>-=0A>What happens if someone self certifie
s themselves as being fitand then has a medically related accident.Can the
FAA go after him?=0A>Be very difficult in court unless it could be proved t
hat it was a known preexisting condition.=0A>-=0A>I don`t think the self
certification system would survive a high profile crash into a crowd with a
couple dead would it.=0A>-=0A>The problem is with the nutcases. We had o
ne guy who, with- a license but with only a little experience in 3 axis a
/c bought himself a gyrocopter and tried to make his first flight in it in
a crowded municipal park. Luckily the silly sod rammed a tree and killed hi
mself before he had the chance to kill anyone else. You can`t legislate aga
inst stupidity.=0A>Long may self certification flourish.=0A>-=0A>Pat=0A>
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| Subject: | who can fly what |
the pilot then took off had a stroke on down wind and stufed it in the dirt
on down wind rite ther at sun fun ,killing him self instently, he was a high
time ga pilot that lost his medical and was flying UL trainers for that
reason.
Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Malcolm B/Kolbers:
I believe this is the accident you refer to above:
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief2.aspx?ev_id 001206X01159&ntsbno=MI
A94LA121&akey=1
I was flying the Kolb factory MKIII. Took off behind the accident aircraft.
Watched helplessly as the aircraft started its left descending turn until it
crashed.
The accident aircraft was a newly designed and built Tundra from Canada.
The gentleman killed in the crash was a PVT pilot. Don't believe he was
flying it because he lost his medical, but was demonstrating a newly
developed kit plane.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: who can fly what |
[quote="GeoB"]I think most of this interminable thread would dry up if all of the
participants would first study the source material.
> [b]
Just because their paranoid, doesnt mean the Feds are not out to get them.
[Wink]
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Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents
the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397846#397846
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| Subject: | Re: who can fly what |
Even if the description of pilot & accident mentioned below is accurate,
it doesn't represent the statistical reality in health/accident records
for those flying without a medical. If it did, you wouldn't see the FAA
actively considering self certification for many pilots with a 3rd class
medical. The reason that the FAA is actively considering this is because
they now have a good statistical sample from the sport pilot community
showing a very 'clean' record.
Charlie
On 04/04/2013 07:49 AM, Malcolm Brubaker wrote:
> I am in florida now early for sun fun so i wont return email
> consistently. for a while. my first year volintering sun fun I told
> this guy i wanted to fly in that chalanger and he told me he owned
> that plane and we tried to stop his friend as he taxied buy the pilot
> just looked at us and gave us a in a minut juster. the pilot then took
> off had a stroke on down wind and stufed it in the dirt on down wind
> rite ther at sun fun ,killing him self instently, he was a high time
> ga pilot that lost his medical and was flying UL trainers for that
> reason. this is another reason why they did away with UL trainers
> with NO medical required, alot of ga pilots took up ul trainor
> flying, a common UL phrase was your only one medical away from being
> a UL pilot
> Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
> Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
> http://michigansportpilotrepair.com/
> LSRM-A, PPC, WS
> Great Sails - Sailmaker
> for Ultralight & Light Sport
> (989)513-3022
>
> *From:* Herb Gayheart <herbgh@nctc.com>
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 3, 2013 7:50 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: who can fly what
>
> What does one do when the legislators are stupid?? :-) Herb
>
> At 08:44 AM 4/3/2013, you wrote:
>> had a dissy spell and went to the doctor >>
>>
>> Hi Malcolm,
>> very sensible and in that case the system worked as it is supposed to.
>>
>> What happens if someone self certifies themselves as being fitand
>> then has a medically related accident.Can the FAA go after him?
>> Be very difficult in court unless it could be proved that it was a
>> known preexisting condition.
>>
>> I don`t think the self certification system would survive a high
>> profile crash into a crowd with a couple dead would it.
>>
>> The problem is with the nutcases. We had one guy who, with a license
>> but with only a little experience in 3 axis a/c bought himself a
>> gyrocopter and tried to make his first flight in it in a crowded
>> municipal park. Luckily the silly sod rammed a tree and killed
>> himself before he had the chance to kill anyone else. You can`t
>> legislate against stupidity.
>> Long may self certification flourish.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>
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