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1. 05:05 AM - Re: Going! Gone! (Thom Riddle)
2. 05:20 AM - Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. (Thom Riddle)
3. 05:21 AM - Re: Re: Going! Gone! (Dennis Rowe)
4. 06:51 AM - Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. (Richard Pike)
5. 06:58 AM - Re: Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. (william sullivan)
6. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. (Dennis Rowe)
7. 09:33 AM - Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. (Frankd)
8. 09:43 AM - Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. (Arizona Flyer)
9. 09:51 AM - Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. (Thom Riddle)
10. 10:16 AM - Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. (Arizona Flyer)
11. 01:03 PM - checking the river (Larry Cottrell)
12. 01:15 PM - Re: Calling Ja biru 2200 and Mk III Xtra owners (tkben002)
13. 01:21 PM - Re: Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. (John Hauck)
14. 01:29 PM - Re: checking the river (John Hauck)
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| Subject: | Re: Going! Gone! |
Herb,
You'll have to get your finder's fee from Sam. He can pay you a very very nice
one out of the money he saved by "stealing" the SS from me. He got a good deal
and I'm down to 1/2 share in one airplane now, so it was a good bargain for
both of us..... but mostly for Sam :-).
He plans to keep it light and didn't want some of the stuff that Luray put on it.
I took off a few things myself but Sam wanted even less on it.
I have a VLS style BRS-5 900 for sale among other things which I'll eventually
get around to posting on Barnstormers.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
- Anonymous
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| Subject: | Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. |
Jeff,
Welcome to the Kolb list and thanks for a bit about your background. We now know
you are not a complete novice. Of course we were all complete novices at some
point. We welcome novices with the same open arms as those with more experience.
Having access to friendly and helpful folks with more experience in particular
things is something that the internet makes so easy these days. This list is one
of the very best in that regard, but we have had a few "bullies" whose purpose
on the list was self-aggrandizement at other's expense. In time they usually
just go away when we ignore them.
Even though I just sold my Slingshot, I expect to be on the Kolb List for the duration
of my flying life. It is a great bunch.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
- Anonymous
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| Subject: | Re: Going! Gone! |
Hey Thom,
Shoot me a message off list with the BRS price.
Skid Rowe
Do not archive
On May 12, 2013, at 8:05 AM, "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Herb,
> You'll have to get your finder's fee from Sam. He can pay you a very very nice
one out of the money he saved by "stealing" the SS from me. He got a good deal
and I'm down to 1/2 share in one airplane now, so it was a good bargain for
both of us..... but mostly for Sam :-).
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it. I took off a few things myself but Sam wanted even less on it.
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get around to posting on Barnstormers.
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> Thom Riddle
> Buffalo, NY (9G0)
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| Subject: | Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. |
[quote="rowedenny"]Castle nut and safety ring. Done. :-) just sayin
Skid Rowe
[quote]
I don't like the safety ring in that location. A safety ring up and away from the
grass is one thing, but a safety ring that close to the grass would make me
very uneasy. Likewise a "safety pin" type of clip. That close to the grass, I
would want to use something that no errant bit of grass or twig could snatch
off. Either a cotter pin or a short length of safety wire. On my MKIII, I use
a normal AN locknut with the plastic insert, and don't reuse them.
And I also like John's method of inserting them so that any grass friction will
tend to tighten, rather than loosen the nut.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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| Subject: | Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. |
- I noted on my old Firestar that the safety pin type clip gets bent in t
he linkage.- I think a lock nut of some type is safer.- maybe a "stove
type" lock nut would last better than a nylock.
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--- On Sun, 5/12/13, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote:
From: Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Stripped threads on tail nut.
[quote="rowedenny"]Castle nut and safety ring. Done. :-) just sayin
Skid Rowe
[quote]
I don't like the safety ring in that location. A safety ring up and away fr
om the grass is one thing, but a safety ring that close to the grass would
make me very uneasy. Likewise a "safety pin" type of clip. That close to th
e grass, I would want to use something that no errant bit of grass or twig
could snatch off. Either a cotter pin or a short length of safety wire. On
my MKIII, I use a normal AN locknut with the plastic insert, and don't reus
e them.
And I also like John's method of inserting them so that any grass friction
will tend to tighten, rather than loosen the nut.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
seen.
Hebrews 11:1
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| Subject: | Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. |
Richard,
I agree that the safety pin style clip would scare me there, but I have no such
concern with a good small safety ring with no easy start end.
Skid Rowe
On May 12, 2013, at 9:50 AM, "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote:
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> [quote="rowedenny"]Castle nut and safety ring. Done. :-) just sayin
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> I don't like the safety ring in that location. A safety ring up and away from
the grass is one thing, but a safety ring that close to the grass would make
me very uneasy. Likewise a "safety pin" type of clip. That close to the grass,
I would want to use something that no errant bit of grass or twig could snatch
off. Either a cotter pin or a short length of safety wire. On my MKIII, I use
a normal AN locknut with the plastic insert, and don't reuse them.
> And I also like John's method of inserting them so that any grass friction will
tend to tighten, rather than loosen the nut.
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> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. |
Hi Kolbers,
If the threads can become stripped on such a safety key component, I'd suggest
using a slightly longer AN bolt and use two nuts and either Nylock or I like castle
nuts and a cotter pin. Or both.. That way there is twice the grip area
on the bolt.
I have noticed that my tangs have bent out from the bolt or nut head and maybe
a washer would help retain the original bend point.
I never thought about grass unwinding the nut, but I'm going to put my new bolt
in left to right... Tkx John.
FrankD
MkiiiXtra
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| Subject: | Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. |
Thom; Thank you for the nice note and welcome kind Sir. I think my over-reaction
came from belonging to an RC model airplane forum 'RCGroups' where there are
several bully-know-it-all types that get worse over time, they scare away many
newcomers who become afraid to post anything for fear of being sliced up again.
Lately I reminded myself that most aviation folks are automatically a higher
quality group of people than the general public. Out of the 7 airplanes I've
owned I built 2 of them, the Quicksilver Sprint II which was a joy to build,
and the Avid flyer Mark IV that became so long & difficult that I swore 'never
again' will I build another airplane like that. I would consider another 'erector
set' like the Quicksilver type with Dacron wings and bolt together construction.
When I became keen on the Kolbs I knew I had to find one already built
and I found a real beauty at a great price. Thanks again Thom I'm glad to be
here :) Side note question? If you type a post long enough here, the words overlap
and you can't see what your typing anymore. Is this common or do I have
a glitch? Thanks...
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"Life should be lived as a bold adventure, I refuse to tiptoe through life
just to arrive safely at death"
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| Subject: | Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. |
Jeff,
If you mean the text goes to the right side of the window, that sometimes happens
when a larger-than-needed photo is posted in that thread... I think, but that
is just a guess.
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Thom Riddle
Buffalo, NY (9G0)
Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long.
- Anonymous
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| Subject: | Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. |
Thom, no right side, no photos. Just regular typing in the 'post reply' window
and when the paragraph gets long enough it starts overlapping words at the top,
then eventually it goes all the way to the bottom where I'm typing new words
and I can no longer see what I'm typing. When that happens I write my comment
out in my e-mail system then copy & paste it here in a new window that I cleared.
It works well but I'd rather figure out what's going on here. Maybe a moderator
will see this and offer help. I have not seen a 'contact moderator' button
anywhere here to ask for help. No big deal just a minor annoyance. Thanks...
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"Life should be lived as a bold adventure, I refuse to tiptoe through life
just to arrive safely at death"
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| Subject: | checking the river |
Just a short note to complete the information about my flight yesterday to
the Owyhee to check to see if it was in fishable condition. I am happy to
say that the flight in my little Kolb was quite enjoyable and informative.
I followed up with a trip down there this morning and the result will be
quite pleasant this evening.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Calling Ja biru 2200 and Mk III Xtra owners |
Do you have any deflectors in the back of the scoops or only the front?
I had some of the same problems a few years ago and here is a link to my thread,
it has some pictures also.
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=84336&highlight=kolbra
Travis Bennett
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| Subject: | Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. |
If the threads can become stripped on such a safety key component, I'd
suggest using a slightly longer AN bolt and use two nuts and either Nylock
or I like castle nuts and a cotter pin. Or both.. That way there is twice
the grip area on the bolt.
I have noticed that my tangs have bent out from the bolt or nut head and
maybe a washer would help retain the original bend point.
I never thought about grass unwinding the nut, but I'm going to put my new
bolt in left to right... Tkx John.
FrankD
MkiiiXtra
Frank D/Kolbers:
If installed correctly, not over torqued, the 3/16 AN bolt and nut will not
strip using a nyloc nut. Most AN 3/16 nuts that strip threads are because
they are tightened all the way down to the end of the threads and are
bottomed out and over torqued.
Important to insure the wire tangs are bent to mirror the angle of the wire
and the tube surface they are being tightened against. Most Kolb wire tangs
I see in my travels are not bent correctly and tail wires are too loose.
I personally believe any type wire safety device, hair pin, ring, etc., are
prone to failure when operated in any environment other than a groomed grass
strip or paved airstrip. I have put a lot of hours on factory Kolbs
configured exactly like the plans and instructions call for, but I was not
flying off unimproved strips or taxiing in tall grass, weeds, brush, etc.,
where the device could be damaged and/or pulled off.
My MKIII is very heavy, especially on the tail. I keep the tail wires
"banjo" tight. Kolbs, all models, fly much better with tight tail wires
than with loose wires. Never had an AN 3/16 nyloc nut fail or strip
threads. Again, I did come close to a catastrophic tail wire failure when
alder brush backed off the nyloc to within a couple threads. If you use
nylocs on the bottom tail wire bolt, be sure and insert right to left as
viewed from the rear, so the nut with be tightened rather than loosened.
john h
MKIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Subject: | checking the river |
Just a short note to complete the information about my flight yesterday to
the Owyhee to check to see if it was in fishable condition. I am happy to
say that the flight in my little Kolb was quite enjoyable and informative. I
followed up with a trip down there this morning and the result will be quite
pleasant this evening.
Larry
Kolbers:
Beautiful trout and small mouth bass. Makes me hungry. Looking forward to
being at the Rock House and fishing the Owyhee River next month. Some of
the best tasting fresh water fish I have ever eaten come out of the clean,
clear water of the Owyhee.
My MKIII is all ready to go, but I think I am going to leave it at Gantt
International Airport this year and pull the 5th wheel West. The last
several years I have flown to the Rock House and home. Then two to three
weeks later loaded up the rig and pulled it back out West. Not economically
feasible and this old boy ain't as young as he used to be. Sleeping on a 10
inch foam mattress in the 5th wheel is somewhat more comfortable than on the
ground or on the floor of an old FOB. Just ain't conducive to my advanced
arthritis. Besides, I have become somewhat spoiled lately.
Don't catch'em all before I get there.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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