---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/12/13: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:05 AM - Re: Going! Gone! (Thom Riddle) 2. 05:20 AM - Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. (Thom Riddle) 3. 05:21 AM - Re: Re: Going! Gone! (Dennis Rowe) 4. 06:51 AM - Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. (Richard Pike) 5. 06:58 AM - Re: Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. (william sullivan) 6. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. (Dennis Rowe) 7. 09:33 AM - Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. (Frankd) 8. 09:43 AM - Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. (Arizona Flyer) 9. 09:51 AM - Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. (Thom Riddle) 10. 10:16 AM - Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. (Arizona Flyer) 11. 01:03 PM - checking the river (Larry Cottrell) 12. 01:15 PM - Re: Calling Ja biru 2200 and Mk III Xtra owners (tkben002) 13. 01:21 PM - Re: Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. (John Hauck) 14. 01:29 PM - Re: checking the river (John Hauck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:39 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Going! Gone! From: "Thom Riddle" Herb, You'll have to get your finder's fee from Sam. He can pay you a very very nice one out of the money he saved by "stealing" the SS from me. He got a good deal and I'm down to 1/2 share in one airplane now, so it was a good bargain for both of us..... but mostly for Sam :-). He plans to keep it light and didn't want some of the stuff that Luray put on it. I took off a few things myself but Sam wanted even less on it. I have a VLS style BRS-5 900 for sale among other things which I'll eventually get around to posting on Barnstormers. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long. - Anonymous Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400405#400405 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:04 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. From: "Thom Riddle" Jeff, Welcome to the Kolb list and thanks for a bit about your background. We now know you are not a complete novice. Of course we were all complete novices at some point. We welcome novices with the same open arms as those with more experience. Having access to friendly and helpful folks with more experience in particular things is something that the internet makes so easy these days. This list is one of the very best in that regard, but we have had a few "bullies" whose purpose on the list was self-aggrandizement at other's expense. In time they usually just go away when we ignore them. Even though I just sold my Slingshot, I expect to be on the Kolb List for the duration of my flying life. It is a great bunch. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long. - Anonymous Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400406#400406 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Going! Gone! From: Dennis Rowe Hey Thom, Shoot me a message off list with the BRS price. Skid Rowe Do not archive On May 12, 2013, at 8:05 AM, "Thom Riddle" wrote: > > Herb, > You'll have to get your finder's fee from Sam. He can pay you a very very nice one out of the money he saved by "stealing" the SS from me. He got a good deal and I'm down to 1/2 share in one airplane now, so it was a good bargain for both of us..... but mostly for Sam :-). > > He plans to keep it light and didn't want some of the stuff that Luray put on it. I took off a few things myself but Sam wanted even less on it. > > I have a VLS style BRS-5 900 for sale among other things which I'll eventually get around to posting on Barnstormers. > > -------- > Thom Riddle > Buffalo, NY (9G0) > > > > Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long. > - Anonymous > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400405#400405 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:11 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. From: "Richard Pike" [quote="rowedenny"]Castle nut and safety ring. Done. :-) just sayin Skid Rowe [quote] I don't like the safety ring in that location. A safety ring up and away from the grass is one thing, but a safety ring that close to the grass would make me very uneasy. Likewise a "safety pin" type of clip. That close to the grass, I would want to use something that no errant bit of grass or twig could snatch off. Either a cotter pin or a short length of safety wire. On my MKIII, I use a normal AN locknut with the plastic insert, and don't reuse them. And I also like John's method of inserting them so that any grass friction will tend to tighten, rather than loosen the nut. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400410#400410 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:27 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. - I noted on my old Firestar that the safety pin type clip gets bent in t he linkage.- I think a lock nut of some type is safer.- maybe a "stove type" lock nut would last better than a nylock. ------------------------- ---------------------- Bill Sul livan ------------------------- ---------------------- Windsor Locks, Ct. ------------------------- ---------------------- FS 447 --- On Sun, 5/12/13, Richard Pike wrote: From: Richard Pike Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. [quote="rowedenny"]Castle nut and safety ring. Done. :-) just sayin Skid Rowe [quote] I don't like the safety ring in that location. A safety ring up and away fr om the grass is one thing, but a safety ring that close to the grass would make me very uneasy. Likewise a "safety pin" type of clip. That close to th e grass, I would want to use something that no errant bit of grass or twig could snatch off. Either a cotter pin or a short length of safety wire. On my MKIII, I use a normal AN locknut with the plastic insert, and don't reus e them. And I also like John's method of inserting them so that any grass friction will tend to tighten, rather than loosen the nut. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400410#400410 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. From: Dennis Rowe Richard, I agree that the safety pin style clip would scare me there, but I have no such concern with a good small safety ring with no easy start end. Skid Rowe On May 12, 2013, at 9:50 AM, "Richard Pike" wrote: > > [quote="rowedenny"]Castle nut and safety ring. Done. :-) just sayin > > Skid Rowe > > [quote] > > I don't like the safety ring in that location. A safety ring up and away from the grass is one thing, but a safety ring that close to the grass would make me very uneasy. Likewise a "safety pin" type of clip. That close to the grass, I would want to use something that no errant bit of grass or twig could snatch off. Either a cotter pin or a short length of safety wire. On my MKIII, I use a normal AN locknut with the plastic insert, and don't reuse them. > And I also like John's method of inserting them so that any grass friction will tend to tighten, rather than loosen the nut. > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. > Hebrews 11:1 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400410#400410 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:28 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. From: "Frankd" Hi Kolbers, If the threads can become stripped on such a safety key component, I'd suggest using a slightly longer AN bolt and use two nuts and either Nylock or I like castle nuts and a cotter pin. Or both.. That way there is twice the grip area on the bolt. I have noticed that my tangs have bent out from the bolt or nut head and maybe a washer would help retain the original bend point. I never thought about grass unwinding the nut, but I'm going to put my new bolt in left to right... Tkx John. FrankD MkiiiXtra Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400416#400416 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:43:24 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. From: "Arizona Flyer" Thom; Thank you for the nice note and welcome kind Sir. I think my over-reaction came from belonging to an RC model airplane forum 'RCGroups' where there are several bully-know-it-all types that get worse over time, they scare away many newcomers who become afraid to post anything for fear of being sliced up again. Lately I reminded myself that most aviation folks are automatically a higher quality group of people than the general public. Out of the 7 airplanes I've owned I built 2 of them, the Quicksilver Sprint II which was a joy to build, and the Avid flyer Mark IV that became so long & difficult that I swore 'never again' will I build another airplane like that. I would consider another 'erector set' like the Quicksilver type with Dacron wings and bolt together construction. When I became keen on the Kolbs I knew I had to find one already built and I found a real beauty at a great price. Thanks again Thom I'm glad to be here :) Side note question? If you type a post long enough here, the words overlap and you can't see what your typing anymore. Is this common or do I have a glitch? Thanks... -------- "Life should be lived as a bold adventure, I refuse to tiptoe through life just to arrive safely at death" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400417#400417 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:14 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. From: "Thom Riddle" Jeff, If you mean the text goes to the right side of the window, that sometimes happens when a larger-than-needed photo is posted in that thread... I think, but that is just a guess. -------- Thom Riddle Buffalo, NY (9G0) Don't worry about old age... it doesn't last very long. - Anonymous Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400418#400418 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:16:40 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. From: "Arizona Flyer" Thom, no right side, no photos. Just regular typing in the 'post reply' window and when the paragraph gets long enough it starts overlapping words at the top, then eventually it goes all the way to the bottom where I'm typing new words and I can no longer see what I'm typing. When that happens I write my comment out in my e-mail system then copy & paste it here in a new window that I cleared. It works well but I'd rather figure out what's going on here. Maybe a moderator will see this and offer help. I have not seen a 'contact moderator' button anywhere here to ask for help. No big deal just a minor annoyance. Thanks... -------- "Life should be lived as a bold adventure, I refuse to tiptoe through life just to arrive safely at death" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400420#400420 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:32 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: checking the river From: Larry Cottrell Just a short note to complete the information about my flight yesterday to the Owyhee to check to see if it was in fishable condition. I am happy to say that the flight in my little Kolb was quite enjoyable and informative. I followed up with a trip down there this morning and the result will be quite pleasant this evening. Larry -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:15:34 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Calling Ja biru 2200 and Mk III Xtra owners From: "tkben002" Do you have any deflectors in the back of the scoops or only the front? I had some of the same problems a few years ago and here is a link to my thread, it has some pictures also. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=84336&highlight=kolbra Travis Bennett Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400428#400428 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:21:01 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Stripped threads on tail nut. If the threads can become stripped on such a safety key component, I'd suggest using a slightly longer AN bolt and use two nuts and either Nylock or I like castle nuts and a cotter pin. Or both.. That way there is twice the grip area on the bolt. I have noticed that my tangs have bent out from the bolt or nut head and maybe a washer would help retain the original bend point. I never thought about grass unwinding the nut, but I'm going to put my new bolt in left to right... Tkx John. FrankD MkiiiXtra Frank D/Kolbers: If installed correctly, not over torqued, the 3/16 AN bolt and nut will not strip using a nyloc nut. Most AN 3/16 nuts that strip threads are because they are tightened all the way down to the end of the threads and are bottomed out and over torqued. Important to insure the wire tangs are bent to mirror the angle of the wire and the tube surface they are being tightened against. Most Kolb wire tangs I see in my travels are not bent correctly and tail wires are too loose. I personally believe any type wire safety device, hair pin, ring, etc., are prone to failure when operated in any environment other than a groomed grass strip or paved airstrip. I have put a lot of hours on factory Kolbs configured exactly like the plans and instructions call for, but I was not flying off unimproved strips or taxiing in tall grass, weeds, brush, etc., where the device could be damaged and/or pulled off. My MKIII is very heavy, especially on the tail. I keep the tail wires "banjo" tight. Kolbs, all models, fly much better with tight tail wires than with loose wires. Never had an AN 3/16 nyloc nut fail or strip threads. Again, I did come close to a catastrophic tail wire failure when alder brush backed off the nyloc to within a couple threads. If you use nylocs on the bottom tail wire bolt, be sure and insert right to left as viewed from the rear, so the nut with be tightened rather than loosened. john h MKIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:21 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: checking the river Just a short note to complete the information about my flight yesterday to the Owyhee to check to see if it was in fishable condition. I am happy to say that the flight in my little Kolb was quite enjoyable and informative. I followed up with a trip down there this morning and the result will be quite pleasant this evening. Larry Kolbers: Beautiful trout and small mouth bass. Makes me hungry. Looking forward to being at the Rock House and fishing the Owyhee River next month. Some of the best tasting fresh water fish I have ever eaten come out of the clean, clear water of the Owyhee. My MKIII is all ready to go, but I think I am going to leave it at Gantt International Airport this year and pull the 5th wheel West. The last several years I have flown to the Rock House and home. Then two to three weeks later loaded up the rig and pulled it back out West. Not economically feasible and this old boy ain't as young as he used to be. Sleeping on a 10 inch foam mattress in the 5th wheel is somewhat more comfortable than on the ground or on the floor of an old FOB. Just ain't conducive to my advanced arthritis. Besides, I have become somewhat spoiled lately. Don't catch'em all before I get there. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.