Kolb-List Digest Archive

Mon 05/27/13


Total Messages Posted: 20



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 07:46 AM - free air rotax (chris davis)
     2. 08:04 AM - Re: free air rotax (william sullivan)
     3. 08:05 AM - vidoe clip (Eddie)
     4. 08:17 AM - Re: vidoe clip (David Kulp)
     5. 08:19 AM - Re: vidoe clip (John Hauck)
     6. 08:21 AM - Re: vidoe clip (Eddie)
     7. 08:26 AM - Re: vidoe clip (Eddie)
     8. 09:42 AM - Re: free air rotax (chris davis)
     9. 09:44 AM - Re: free air rotax (william sullivan)
    10. 09:44 AM - Re: free air rotax (william sullivan)
    11. 10:25 AM - Re: free air rotax (Dennis Rowe)
    12. 11:01 AM - Re: vidoe clip (John Hauck)
    13. 11:45 AM - Re: anybody using a Rotax 670 in a Kolb Mk III? (Arizona Flyer)
    14. 11:55 AM - Re: free air rotax (chris davis)
    15. 12:25 PM - Re: vidoe clip (Eddie)
    16. 05:28 PM - MKIII Crash 1 July 2000, Muncho Lake, BC (John Hauck)
    17. 07:07 PM - Re: free air rotax (wakataka)
    18. 08:13 PM - Re: free air rotax (wakataka)
    19. 08:51 PM - Re: Re: free air rotax (chris davis)
    20. 09:05 PM - Re: free air rotax (wakataka)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:46:32 AM PST US
    From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>
    Subject: free air rotax
    kolbers, Anyone ever run a free air rotax on a KOLB aircraft?=0A-=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Fire fly


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    Time: 08:04:29 AM PST US
    From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
    Subject: Re: free air rotax
    - Chris- Did you check Jack Hart's web site? do not archive --- On Mon, 5/27/13, chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote: kolbers, Anyone ever run a free air rotax on a KOLB aircraft?-Chris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot =====0A=0A


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    Time: 08:05:17 AM PST US
    From: "Eddie" <e.bayliss@blueyonder.co.uk>
    Subject: vidoe clip
    Hi All Eddie from Liverpool, Uk. I only occasionally post but read the everything here on the list whenever I am home . I took a shortflight across the rivers Mersey and Dee up the welsh coast on saturday evening with my 12 year old Grandson ( a Keen Kolb passenger since he was about 7 yrs old ) He took a bit of video on our return to Ince Blundel from about midway across the River Dee along the Wirral coastline so I have posted it on you tube for anyone interested to have a peek at . Eddie BAyliss Klb mk 111 Rotax 582 Arplast 3 blade 62" prop


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    Time: 08:17:04 AM PST US
    From: David Kulp <undoctor@ptd.net>
    Subject: Re: vidoe clip
    Eddie, The youtube link didn't come through with your post. Dave Kulp Bethlehem, PA FireFly 11DMK On 5/27/2013 11:04 AM, Eddie wrote: > *Hi All * > * Eddie from Liverpool, Uk.* > * I only occasionally post but read the everything here on the list > whenever I am home . > *I took a shortflight across the rivers Mersey and Dee up the welsh > coast on saturday evening with my 12 year old Grandson ( a Keen Kolb > passenger since he was about 7 yrs old ) He took a bit of video on our > return to Ince Blundel from about midway across the River Dee along > the Wirral coastline so I have posted it on you tube for anyone > interested to have a peek at . > Eddie BAyliss > Klb mk 111 > Rotax 582 > Arplast 3 blade 62" prop > * > > > *


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    Time: 08:19:34 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: vidoe clip
    I have posted it on you tube for anyone interested to have a peek at . Eddie BAyliss Hi Eddie: Thanks for posting. Do you have a URL for the clip? john h mkIII Titus, Alabama


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    Time: 08:21:52 AM PST US
    From: "Eddie" <e.bayliss@blueyonder.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: vidoe clip
    Oops Try again then sorry about that just checked and its still editing the clip so give it 10 mins or so and should be good then I hope http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXzf0V022xk Eddie ----- Original Message ----- From: David Kulp To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 4:16 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: vidoe clip Eddie, The youtube link didn't come through with your post. Dave Kulp Bethlehem, PA FireFly 11DMK On 5/27/2013 11:04 AM, Eddie wrote: Hi All Eddie from Liverpool, Uk. I only occasionally post but read the everything here on the list whenever I am home . I took a shortflight across the rivers Mersey and Dee up the welsh coast on saturday evening with my 12 year old Grandson ( a Keen Kolb passenger since he was about 7 yrs old ) He took a bit of video on our return to Ince Blundel from about midway across the River Dee along the Wirral coastline so I have posted it on you tube for anyone interested to have a peek at . Eddie BAyliss Klb mk 111 Rotax 582 Arplast 3 blade 62" prop


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    Time: 08:26:17 AM PST US
    From: "Eddie" <e.bayliss@blueyonder.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: vidoe clip
    have just reposted it John (with a link ) Sorry about that unless you are a two stroke fan turn the sound down cos all you will hear is the motor .I will have to work out how to do a voice over or misic or something one day when I have time to play with the computer ( instead of the Kolb ) Eddie ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hauck To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 4:19 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: vidoe clip I have posted it on you tube for anyone interested to have a peek at . Eddie BAyliss Hi Eddie: Thanks for posting. Do you have a URL for the clip? john hmkIIITitus, Alabama


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    Time: 09:42:30 AM PST US
    From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: free air rotax
    William , No but I will . thanx=0A=0A=0AChris DavisKXP 503 492 hrsGlider Pi lotDisabled from crash building Firefly=0A=0A=0A>__________________________ ______=0A>From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>=0A>To: kolb-lis t@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:04 AM=0A>Subject: Re: Kol b-List: free air rotax=0A>=0A>- Chris- Did you check Jack Hart's web site ?=0A>do not archive=0A>=0A>--- On Mon, 5/27/13, chris davis <capedavis@yaho o.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>kolbers, Anyone ever run a free air rotax on a KOLB ai rcraft?=0A>>=0A>>Chris DavisKXP 503 492 hrsGlider PilotDisabled from crash building Firefly=0A>>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-ofollow" targe =========


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    Time: 09:44:59 AM PST US
    From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
    Subject: Re: free air rotax
    - Found it.- Bookmark it.- http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly.html --- On Mon, 5/27/13, chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote: From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: free air rotax William , No but I will . thanx =0A=0A-=0AChris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash bu ilding Firefly=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:04 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: free air rotax =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A- Chris- Did you check Jack Hart's web site? do not archive --- On Mon, 5/27/13, chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote: =0A=0A=0A=0A=0Akolbers, Anyone ever run a free air rotax on a KOLB aircraft ?=0A=0A-=0AChris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash b uilding Fireflyhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-ofollow" target="_ blank" href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">h=0A=0A=0A=0A=nofol low target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List=0Aet=_bl ank>http://forums.matronics.com/=0Allow target=_blank>http://www.matronic =========================0A =0A=0A


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    Time: 09:44:59 AM PST US
    From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
    Subject: Re: free air rotax
    - Found it.- Bookmark it.- http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly.html --- On Mon, 5/27/13, chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote: From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: free air rotax William , No but I will . thanx =0A=0A-=0AChris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash bu ilding Firefly=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:04 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: free air rotax =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A- Chris- Did you check Jack Hart's web site? do not archive --- On Mon, 5/27/13, chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote: =0A=0A=0A=0A=0Akolbers, Anyone ever run a free air rotax on a KOLB aircraft ?=0A=0A-=0AChris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash b uilding Fireflyhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-ofollow" target="_ blank" href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">h=0A=0A=0A=0A=nofol low target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List=0Aet=_bl ank>http://forums.matronics.com/=0Allow target=_blank>http://www.matronic =========================0A =0A=0A


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    Time: 10:25:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: free air rotax
    From: Dennis Rowe <rowedenny@windstream.net>
    Don't do it, you'd just be asking for trouble. All three rotax fan cooled en gines will overheat even in tractor applications without a good free air sco op and that's with the prop blowing right on them. Put a fan cooled engine on your Kolb and you'll have no issues. Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA PS: I designed and used to sell Free Air scoops for Rotax engines and I would ne ver have sold one for a pusher application. On May 27, 2013, at 10:46 AM, chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote: > kolbers, Anyone ever run a free air rotax on a KOLB aircraft? > > Chris Davis > KXP 503 492 hrs > Glider Pilot > Disabled from crash building Firefly > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= >


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    Time: 11:01:31 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: vidoe clip
    have just reposted it John (with a link ) Sorry about that unless you are a two stroke fan turn the sound down cos all you will hear is the motor .I will have to work out how to do a voice over or misic or something one day when I have time to play with the computer ( instead of the Kolb ) Eddie Eddie: More fun to fly the Kolb than attempt to learn video clip editing. Enjoyed the visit to your country and the countryside via your MKIII. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama


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    Time: 11:45:02 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: anybody using a Rotax 670 in a Kolb Mk III?
    From: "Arizona Flyer" <heracesthesun@yahoo.com>
    I don't have experience with the 670 but I have a high regard for Rotax Rick. I doubt you'll find a more experienced & knowledgeable Rotax mechanic than Rick. I bought a used Firestar II with a Rotax 503 that he rebuilt and it runs beautiful. I told him my 12 year old engine looks brand new and he said he always sand blasts the outer casing during a rebuild. Here is a thread about the Rotax 670 that Rick does, very interesting... http://ppcflyingforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8540 -------- &quot;Life should be lived as a bold adventure, I refuse to tiptoe through life just to arrive safely at death&quot; Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401431#401431


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    Time: 11:55:27 AM PST US
    From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: free air rotax
    Skid,Gotya I never had a problem with my 503 but will have to buy fan and s hrouds for the 377 .The mech I bought it from said he never ran shrouds but it was a tractor any body got shrouds and a fan?=0A-=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly=0A=0A=0A =0A>________________________________=0A> From: Dennis Rowe <rowedenny@winds tream.net>=0A>To: "kolb-list@matronics.com" <kolb-list@matronics.com> =0A>S ent: Monday, May 27, 2013 1:24 PM=0A>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: free air rotax =0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>Don't do it, you'd just be asking for trouble. All three r otax fan cooled engines will overheat even in tractor applications without a good free air scoop and that's with the prop blowing right on them.=0A>Pu t a fan cooled engine on your Kolb and you'll have no issues.=0A>=0A>Dennis "Skid" Rowe=0A>Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA=0A>PS:=0A>I designed and used t o sell Free Air scoops for Rotax engines and I would never have sold one fo r a pusher application.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On May 27, 2013, at 10:46 AM, ch ris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>kolbers, Anyone ever run a free air rotax on a KOLB aircraft?=0A>>-=0A>>Chris Davis=0A>>KXP 503 49 2 hrs=0A>>Glider Pilot=0A>>Disabled from crash building Firefly=0A>>== =========0A://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List=0A= ==========0Acs.com=0A============ ========================0Amat ronics.com/contribution=0A================ ======== =0A>=0A>


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    Time: 12:25:29 PM PST US
    From: "Eddie" <e.bayliss@blueyonder.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: vidoe clip
    Thanks John .I am waiting for delivery of a bullet type sports camera and when I figure out the mounting I want ,and how to use it I am planning on doing a few more videos . they will only be local flights around the immediate area mainly because thats where I fly . Im not into didstances that would be too much like being back in work .I dont particuarly want to go far as long as I can go up Eddie ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hauck To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 7:01 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: vidoe clip have just reposted it John (with a link ) Sorry about that unless you are a two stroke fan turn the sound down cos all you will hear is the motor .I will have to work out how to do a voice over or misic or something one day when I have time to play with the computer ( instead of the Kolb ) Eddie Eddie: More fun to fly the Kolb than attempt to learn video clip editing. Enjoyed the visit to your country and the countryside via your MKIII. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama


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    Time: 05:28:21 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: MKIII Crash 1 July 2000, Muncho Lake, BC
    This is the airstrip I wiped out my landing gear and damaged left wing and aileron. The Otter is attempting to take off to the north. I landed to the south. The gravel strip has been greatly improved since I made my landing there. The road that crosses the strip was a small two track with deep ruts. When I hit them, it triggered the gear leg/axle socket failure. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0DEb0M6wt4 I think this is a hard luck strip, at Muncho Lake, BC. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama


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    Time: 07:07:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: free air rotax
    From: "wakataka" <wakataka@charter.net>
    I run a free air 277 as a pusher, but I've had to dink with it a lot to make it happy. Melted two pistons before I figured out how to make it work. It's running richer than spec, but with synthetic oil the carbon build up is manageable. The 277 is easy to decarbon, so I just do it often. I don't think I'd try to run any of the two cylinder Rotax engines as a pusher. On the 277, the fins on the head are aligned with the slipstream. On the others, I believe they are crosswise to the silpstream, which would not make for good cooling airflow. You might consider getting the fan and shroud off a snowmobile engine. SkiDoo had 377's in their sleds from the mid eighties until the early 90's and maybe beyond. Most of the parts are interchangeable with the 377UL. I have a 377 from a 1992 Skandic. There is vent hose coming out of the cooling shroud that was routed to the exhaust pipe in the sled. When you remove it, you're left with a silver-dollar sized hole in the shroud that can be easily patched with a bit of sheet metal, like the lid from a soup can, for example. I bought the whole sled for $150 and sold parts off it to make back most of my investment, keeping just the engine, which I plan to build up as a spare for my Firestar. -------- There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401452#401452


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    Time: 08:13:03 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: free air rotax
    From: "wakataka" <wakataka@charter.net>
    There's a 377 shroud listed on E-bay. It's off a sled motor. You can see the hole I mentioned in my previous post. http://www.ebay.com/itm/377-447-Rotax-Engine-Tins-/140985842083?pt=Motors_Aviation_Parts_Gear&hash=item20d36939a3&vxp=mtr -------- There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401455#401455


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    Time: 08:51:17 PM PST US
    From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: free air rotax
    Wakataka,I think- thats what ill do ebay has a lot of 377 snow machine pa rts do they ever have tha Aluminum shrouds ? I found a complete fan assembl y for $24=0A=0A, so ill keep lookin Im not in a big hurry as I havent cover ed her yet probably take another year before I ll need an engine-. thanks for your input sounds like you have been there =0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 49 2 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly=0A=0A=0A>______ __________________________=0A>From: wakataka <wakataka@charter.net>=0A>To: kolb-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:12 PM=0A>Subject: "wakataka" <wakataka@charter.net>=0A>=0A>There's a 377 shroud listed on E-b ay. It's off a sled motor. You can see the hole I mentioned in my previous post.=0A>=0A>http://www.ebay.com/itm/377-447-Rotax-Engine-Tins-/14098584208 3?pt=Motors_Aviation_Parts_Gear&hash=item20d36939a3&vxp=mtr=0A>=0A>-- ------=0A>There is something fascinating about science. One gets such whole sale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.=0A> =0A>Mark Twain=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Read this topic online here:=0A>=0A>http: //forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401455#401455=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> =======================0A>=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>


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    Time: 09:05:41 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: free air rotax
    From: "wakataka" <wakataka@charter.net>
    Chris - I'm not a snowmobile expert, but I don't believe the aluminum shrouds were ever used on sleds. Weight is not a big issue there and aluminum is more expensive and not as durable as steel. I think many if not most of the newer Rotax UL engines use the steel shrouds. I've only seen aluminum ones on the older UL engines. Keep in mind that sleds often used dual carburetors, so the shrouds on the carb side might need some modification if you went with the single carb UL set up. I'm not sure if there was ever a single carb sled motor or not. -------- There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401458#401458




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