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1. 07:46 AM - free air rotax (chris davis)
2. 08:04 AM - Re: free air rotax (william sullivan)
3. 08:05 AM - vidoe clip (Eddie)
4. 08:17 AM - Re: vidoe clip (David Kulp)
5. 08:19 AM - Re: vidoe clip (John Hauck)
6. 08:21 AM - Re: vidoe clip (Eddie)
7. 08:26 AM - Re: vidoe clip (Eddie)
8. 09:42 AM - Re: free air rotax (chris davis)
9. 09:44 AM - Re: free air rotax (william sullivan)
10. 09:44 AM - Re: free air rotax (william sullivan)
11. 10:25 AM - Re: free air rotax (Dennis Rowe)
12. 11:01 AM - Re: vidoe clip (John Hauck)
13. 11:45 AM - Re: anybody using a Rotax 670 in a Kolb Mk III? (Arizona Flyer)
14. 11:55 AM - Re: free air rotax (chris davis)
15. 12:25 PM - Re: vidoe clip (Eddie)
16. 05:28 PM - MKIII Crash 1 July 2000, Muncho Lake, BC (John Hauck)
17. 07:07 PM - Re: free air rotax (wakataka)
18. 08:13 PM - Re: free air rotax (wakataka)
19. 08:51 PM - Re: Re: free air rotax (chris davis)
20. 09:05 PM - Re: free air rotax (wakataka)
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kolbers, Anyone ever run a free air rotax on a KOLB aircraft?=0A-=0AChris
Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Fire
fly
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Subject: | Re: free air rotax |
- Chris- Did you check Jack Hart's web site?
do not archive
--- On Mon, 5/27/13, chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
kolbers, Anyone ever run a free air rotax on a KOLB aircraft?-Chris Davis
KXP 503 492 hrs
Glider Pilot
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Hi All
Eddie from Liverpool, Uk.
I only occasionally post but read the everything here on the list
whenever I am home .
I took a shortflight across the rivers Mersey and Dee up the welsh coast
on saturday evening with my 12 year old Grandson ( a Keen Kolb
passenger since he was about 7 yrs old ) He took a bit of video on our
return to Ince Blundel from about midway across the River Dee along the
Wirral coastline so I have posted it on you tube for anyone interested
to have a peek at .
Eddie BAyliss
Klb mk 111
Rotax 582
Arplast 3 blade 62" prop
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Eddie,
The youtube link didn't come through with your post.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
FireFly 11DMK
On 5/27/2013 11:04 AM, Eddie wrote:
> *Hi All *
> * Eddie from Liverpool, Uk.*
> * I only occasionally post but read the everything here on the list
> whenever I am home .
> *I took a shortflight across the rivers Mersey and Dee up the welsh
> coast on saturday evening with my 12 year old Grandson ( a Keen Kolb
> passenger since he was about 7 yrs old ) He took a bit of video on our
> return to Ince Blundel from about midway across the River Dee along
> the Wirral coastline so I have posted it on you tube for anyone
> interested to have a peek at .
> Eddie BAyliss
> Klb mk 111
> Rotax 582
> Arplast 3 blade 62" prop
> *
>
>
> *
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I have posted it on you tube for anyone interested to have a peek at .
Eddie BAyliss
Hi Eddie:
Thanks for posting.
Do you have a URL for the clip?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Oops
Try again then sorry about that just checked and its still editing
the clip so give it 10 mins or so and should be good then I hope
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXzf0V022xk
Eddie
----- Original Message -----
From: David Kulp
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: vidoe clip
Eddie,
The youtube link didn't come through with your post.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
FireFly 11DMK
On 5/27/2013 11:04 AM, Eddie wrote:
Hi All
Eddie from Liverpool, Uk.
I only occasionally post but read the everything here on the list
whenever I am home .
I took a shortflight across the rivers Mersey and Dee up the welsh
coast on saturday evening with my 12 year old Grandson ( a Keen Kolb
passenger since he was about 7 yrs old ) He took a bit of video on our
return to Ince Blundel from about midway across the River Dee along the
Wirral coastline so I have posted it on you tube for anyone interested
to have a peek at .
Eddie BAyliss
Klb mk 111
Rotax 582
Arplast 3 blade 62" prop
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have just reposted it John (with a link ) Sorry about that unless you
are a two stroke fan turn the sound down cos all you will hear is the
motor .I will have to work out how to do a voice over or misic or
something one day when I have time to play with the computer ( instead
of the Kolb )
Eddie
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hauck
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 4:19 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: vidoe clip
I have posted it on you tube for anyone interested to have a peek at
.
Eddie BAyliss
Hi Eddie: Thanks for posting. Do you have a URL for the clip? john
hmkIIITitus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: free air rotax |
William , No but I will . thanx=0A=0A=0AChris DavisKXP 503 492 hrsGlider Pi
lotDisabled from crash building Firefly=0A=0A=0A>__________________________
______=0A>From: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>=0A>To: kolb-lis
t@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:04 AM=0A>Subject: Re: Kol
b-List: free air rotax=0A>=0A>- Chris- Did you check Jack Hart's web site
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o.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>kolbers, Anyone ever run a free air rotax on a KOLB ai
rcraft?=0A>>=0A>>Chris DavisKXP 503 492 hrsGlider PilotDisabled from crash
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Subject: | Re: free air rotax |
- Found it.- Bookmark it.- http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly.html
--- On Mon, 5/27/13, chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: free air rotax
William , No but I will . thanx
=0A=0A-=0AChris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash bu
ilding Firefly=0A
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: free air rotax
=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A- Chris- Did you check Jack Hart's web site?
do not archive
--- On Mon, 5/27/13, chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Subject: | Re: free air rotax |
- Found it.- Bookmark it.- http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly.html
--- On Mon, 5/27/13, chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: free air rotax
William , No but I will . thanx
=0A=0A-=0AChris Davis KXP 503 492 hrs Glider Pilot Disabled from crash bu
ilding Firefly=0A
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Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: free air rotax
=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A- Chris- Did you check Jack Hart's web site?
do not archive
--- On Mon, 5/27/13, chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Subject: | Re: free air rotax |
Don't do it, you'd just be asking for trouble. All three rotax fan cooled en
gines will overheat even in tractor applications without a good free air sco
op and that's with the prop blowing right on them.
Put a fan cooled engine on your Kolb and you'll have no issues.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
PS:
I designed and used to sell Free Air scoops for Rotax engines and I would ne
ver have sold one for a pusher application.
On May 27, 2013, at 10:46 AM, chris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> kolbers, Anyone ever run a free air rotax on a KOLB aircraft?
>
> Chris Davis
> KXP 503 492 hrs
> Glider Pilot
> Disabled from crash building Firefly
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have just reposted it John (with a link ) Sorry about that unless you are a
two stroke fan turn the sound down cos all you will hear is the motor .I
will have to work out how to do a voice over or misic or something one day
when I have time to play with the computer ( instead of the Kolb )
Eddie
Eddie:
More fun to fly the Kolb than attempt to learn video clip editing.
Enjoyed the visit to your country and the countryside via your MKIII.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: anybody using a Rotax 670 in a Kolb Mk III? |
I don't have experience with the 670 but I have a high regard for Rotax Rick. I doubt you'll find a more experienced & knowledgeable Rotax mechanic than Rick. I bought a used Firestar II with a Rotax 503 that he rebuilt and it runs beautiful. I told him my 12 year old engine looks brand new and he said he always sand blasts the outer casing during a rebuild. Here is a thread about the Rotax 670 that Rick does, very interesting... http://ppcflyingforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8540
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Subject: | Re: free air rotax |
Skid,Gotya I never had a problem with my 503 but will have to buy fan and s
hrouds for the 377 .The mech I bought it from said he never ran shrouds but
it was a tractor any body got shrouds and a fan?=0A-=0AChris Davis=0AKXP
503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly=0A=0A=0A
=0A>________________________________=0A> From: Dennis Rowe <rowedenny@winds
tream.net>=0A>To: "kolb-list@matronics.com" <kolb-list@matronics.com> =0A>S
ent: Monday, May 27, 2013 1:24 PM=0A>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: free air rotax
=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>Don't do it, you'd just be asking for trouble. All three r
otax fan cooled engines will overheat even in tractor applications without
a good free air scoop and that's with the prop blowing right on them.=0A>Pu
t a fan cooled engine on your Kolb and you'll have no issues.=0A>=0A>Dennis
"Skid" Rowe=0A>Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA=0A>PS:=0A>I designed and used t
o sell Free Air scoops for Rotax engines and I would never have sold one fo
r a pusher application.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On May 27, 2013, at 10:46 AM, ch
ris davis <capedavis@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>kolbers, Anyone ever run
a free air rotax on a KOLB aircraft?=0A>>-=0A>>Chris Davis=0A>>KXP 503 49
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Thanks John
.I am waiting for delivery of a bullet type sports camera and when I
figure out the mounting I want ,and how to use it I am planning on doing
a few more videos . they will only be local flights around the immediate
area mainly because thats where I fly . Im not into didstances that
would be too much like being back in work .I dont particuarly want to go
far as long as I can go up
Eddie
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hauck
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 7:01 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: vidoe clip
have just reposted it John (with a link ) Sorry about that unless you
are a two stroke fan turn the sound down cos all you will hear is the
motor .I will have to work out how to do a voice over or misic or
something one day when I have time to play with the computer ( instead
of the Kolb )
Eddie
Eddie:
More fun to fly the Kolb than attempt to learn video clip editing.
Enjoyed the visit to your country and the countryside via your MKIII.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | MKIII Crash 1 July 2000, Muncho Lake, BC |
This is the airstrip I wiped out my landing gear and damaged left wing and
aileron. The Otter is attempting to take off to the north. I landed to the
south. The gravel strip has been greatly improved since I made my landing
there. The road that crosses the strip was a small two track with deep
ruts. When I hit them, it triggered the gear leg/axle socket failure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0DEb0M6wt4
I think this is a hard luck strip, at Muncho Lake, BC.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | Re: free air rotax |
I run a free air 277 as a pusher, but I've had to dink with it a lot to make it
happy. Melted two pistons before I figured out how to make it work. It's running
richer than spec, but with synthetic oil the carbon build up is manageable.
The 277 is easy to decarbon, so I just do it often. I don't think I'd try to
run any of the two cylinder Rotax engines as a pusher. On the 277, the fins on
the head are aligned with the slipstream. On the others, I believe they are
crosswise to the silpstream, which would not make for good cooling airflow.
You might consider getting the fan and shroud off a snowmobile engine. SkiDoo had
377's in their sleds from the mid eighties until the early 90's and maybe beyond.
Most of the parts are interchangeable with the 377UL. I have a 377 from
a 1992 Skandic. There is vent hose coming out of the cooling shroud that was
routed to the exhaust pipe in the sled. When you remove it, you're left with a
silver-dollar sized hole in the shroud that can be easily patched with a bit
of sheet metal, like the lid from a soup can, for example. I bought the whole
sled for $150 and sold parts off it to make back most of my investment, keeping
just the engine, which I plan to build up as a spare for my Firestar.
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Subject: | Re: free air rotax |
There's a 377 shroud listed on E-bay. It's off a sled motor. You can see the hole
I mentioned in my previous post.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/377-447-Rotax-Engine-Tins-/140985842083?pt=Motors_Aviation_Parts_Gear&hash=item20d36939a3&vxp=mtr
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Subject: | Re: free air rotax |
Wakataka,I think- thats what ill do ebay has a lot of 377 snow machine pa
rts do they ever have tha Aluminum shrouds ? I found a complete fan assembl
y for $24=0A=0A, so ill keep lookin Im not in a big hurry as I havent cover
ed her yet probably take another year before I ll need an engine-. thanks
for your input sounds like you have been there =0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 49
2 hrs=0AGlider Pilot=0ADisabled from crash building Firefly=0A=0A=0A>______
__________________________=0A>From: wakataka <wakataka@charter.net>=0A>To:
kolb-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 11:12 PM=0A>Subject:
"wakataka" <wakataka@charter.net>=0A>=0A>There's a 377 shroud listed on E-b
ay. It's off a sled motor. You can see the hole I mentioned in my previous
post.=0A>=0A>http://www.ebay.com/itm/377-447-Rotax-Engine-Tins-/14098584208
3?pt=Motors_Aviation_Parts_Gear&hash=item20d36939a3&vxp=mtr=0A>=0A>--
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Subject: | Re: free air rotax |
Chris - I'm not a snowmobile expert, but I don't believe the aluminum shrouds were
ever used on sleds. Weight is not a big issue there and aluminum is more expensive
and not as durable as steel. I think many if not most of the newer Rotax
UL engines use the steel shrouds. I've only seen aluminum ones on the older
UL engines.
Keep in mind that sleds often used dual carburetors, so the shrouds on the carb
side might need some modification if you went with the single carb UL set up.
I'm not sure if there was ever a single carb sled motor or not.
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