---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/06/13: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:11 AM - Re: Sprot aviation mag..... (Gary Aman) 2. 05:41 AM - Re: Sprot aviation mag..... (ddoi) 3. 07:06 AM - Know your Kolb (Dennis Thate) 4. 08:42 AM - Re: Know your Kolb (Ralph B) 5. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: Know your Kolb (John Hauck) 6. 09:26 AM - Re: Re: Know your Kolb (David Kulp) 7. 10:24 AM - Re: Sprot aviation mag..... (Charlie England) 8. 01:53 PM - Re: Sprot aviation mag..... (The Kuffels) 9. 02:16 PM - Re: Sprot aviation mag..... (Gary Aman) 10. 03:36 PM - Prop suggestion (pipercolt) 11. 03:42 PM - prop (pipercolt) 12. 05:36 PM - Re: prop (Dennis Rowe) 13. 06:38 PM - Re: prop (pipercolt) 14. 06:48 PM - Re: Re: prop (Dennis Rowe) 15. 09:01 PM - Re: Prop suggestion (Ellery Batchelder Jr) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sprot aviation mag..... From: Gary Aman Tom, Seems as though they go through cycles.They try to get back to their roots, but it only lasts a few issues and it's back to the high dollar stuff.Do t hey not get information from our segment of aviation or do they not care?Ou r group here in Ohio has completed 4 new aircraft since 2004,but I don't th ink anyone of them has sent pictures or articles to EAA about their project s.It might be our problem.Thom R. used to write for them,he might share som e insight. G.Aman.mostly in agreement. -----Original Message----- From: The Kuffels Sent: Wed, Jun 5, 2013 6:22 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sprot aviation mag..... They are not an organization but Kitplanes is almost exclusively focused on Experimental Amateur Built. They deserve our support. But my view is bia sed as they publish my electronic project articles. Tom Kuffel ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:53 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Sprot aviation mag..... From: "ddoi" Have you heard of the Sport Aviation Association (SAA) yet?: Their site: http://www.sportaviationassociation.org/index.html >From their About page: "The Sport Aviation Association is an organization founded by Paul H. Poberezny to help maintain what we know as grass roots aviation. Before you read further, it is important that you know and understand that we are NOT in competition with EAA. We want to complement EAA's efforts and help retain the heritage of the amateur aircraft builder. Our mission is not political - it is simply to encourage the fun, fellowship, and camaraderie that is so special and unique to aviation." Ed Fisher is president. Membership is by donation and they send out a quarterly publication (PDF) with a password. It has a strong focus on how to and homebuilding. To me, it's like the original/older Sport Aviation magazines I've read from EAA's archives. Dai Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402118#402118 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:05 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Know your Kolb From: "Dennis Thate" Subject: Wing Loading I post this for the many new pilots learning to fly Kolbs for the first time. While the airplane with the highly loaded wing can safely operate in very windy and turbulent conditions if the pilot is trained and skilled, the lightly loaded wing simply reaches a limit where the best pilot cant safely fly it.The LSA a lightly loaded wing will bounce around more and be harder to control and can be ground looped easily and go off the side of the runway frequently on a windy day . Learning to recognize our limits as pilots is crucial, but when it comes to an airplane with a very low wing loading, we must understand that the airplane has its own gust and turbulence limitations that cannot be ignored. If you are moving down to an LSA or other airplane you certainly need specific training to accommodate the differences in performance and flying qualities. But you also need training to understand that wind gusts, crosswinds, and turbulence that other popular production singles can handle are beyond the limits of an airplane with a very lightly loaded wing. "A man's got to know his limitations" Harry Callahan (Clint Eastwood) -------- Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402119#402119 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/start_2nd_wing_206.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:05 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Know your Kolb From: "Ralph B" Knowing any aircraft comes with experience in type. Transitioning to the Kolbra from a Firestar wasn't too hard, but I would say for the average pilot transitioning from a big airplane to a Firestar would be tougher due the high drag and light wing loading. There have been many accidents attributed to big plane pilots flying ultralights and Light Sport after flying the big ones. The classic example is flaring too early on landing and stalling the airplane. It comes down hard and bends the gear. How many times have we heard about that one? When I carry a pilot who has never flown in the Kolbra and he wants to land it, I warn him about flaring too early and am ready to push that stick forward as we get closer to landing. They simply aren't used to it and old habits are embedded in them. Ralph B -------- Ralph B Original Firestar 447 N91493 E-AB 1000+ hours 26 years flying it Kolbra 912ULS N20386 200 hours Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402128#402128 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:06 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Know your Kolb When I carry a pilot who has never flown in the Kolbra and he wants to land it, I warn him about flaring too early and am ready to push that stick forward as we get closer to landing. They simply aren't used to it and old habits are embedded in them. Ralph B Ralph B/Kolbers: Seems pretty simple to me, but as many landings as I have done in Kolbs over the years, I still can get too slow and drop it in. I think what it boils down to is keeping the air speed above stall speed until on the ground, or a few inches above the ground. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:03 AM PST US From: David Kulp Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Know your Kolb Or, as Homer so eloquently stated it in the instruction manual, to keep your eye on your airspeed or "...the ground will come up to smite thee." Dave Kulp Bethlehem, PA FireFly 11DMK On 6/6/2013 12:10 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > > When I carry a pilot who has never flown in the Kolbra and he wants to > land it, I warn him about flaring too early and am ready to push that stick > forward as we get closer to landing. They simply aren't used to it and old > habits are embedded in them. > > Ralph B > > > > Ralph B/Kolbers: > > Seems pretty simple to me, but as many landings as I have done in Kolbs over > the years, I still can get too slow and drop it in. > > I think what it boils down to is keeping the air speed above stall speed > until on the ground, or a few inches above the ground. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:29 AM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sprot aviation mag..... On 06/05/2013 03:16 PM, Rick Lewis wrote: > > Does any anyone know of a other organization that is more oriented toward the home built people than EAA. I just received another Sport Aviation magazine, and after flipping thorough it I through it in the trash. I really don't care what piper and such are doing. I want to know about the home builders and what there doing and there progress. I want to see builder tips, good and bad. I have said in the pass that I would not resubscribe to EAA and after this subscription runs out, I'm done.... > > -------- > Rick Lewis > > (VW Watercooled Engine) > I wholeheartedly agree about the magazine content. The focus has been wrong for many years, but it's not too surprising. For an analogy, think about typical high-end car magazines. Only a tiny fraction of the subscribers will ever own a car that's covered in the magazine; almost all are only dreamers and very few have any hope of actually owning $400,000 car. Same applies to current SA readers; the market becomes so much larger when you include the spam can drivers & those who don't even fly. I've only been to OSH once in about a decade (and then only because a friend basically begged me to go) because OSH is even worse than the magazine. You can't find the airplanes among all the steak knives & folding ladders. However.... They do a pretty good job of lobbying the Gub'mint. And some of them seem to have re-discovered the old Experimenter spirit in the how-to videos they are now producing. So, I've decided that 'Airventure' will see no more of my money, but I will continue my membership to support their lobbying efforts and the tiny fraction that still supports us. Maybe we should all just campaign for a 2 tiered membership, where we can pay 1/2 price & they can keep the new incarnation of Flying Magazine. Charlie ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:38 PM PST US From: "The Kuffels" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sprot aviation mag..... Gary, << Seems as though they go through cycles...don't think anyone of them has sent pictures or articles to EAA >> Very long cycles indeed. I didn't even pitch my project articles to EAA because it seemed they hadn't had a real how-to since the Roncz series on airplane design about 13 years ago. Another question with them is I can't find an Author's Guide anywhere. This leaves the impression they only pay for articles from their in-house "Contributing Writers". The rest of us are supposed to volunteer a la Oshkosh? Tom Kuffel ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:16:17 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sprot aviation mag..... From: Gary Aman Tom, You probably saw that post about the SSA. At our last NCLF meeting last fal l we had the Wright Brothers as guest speakers,two NASA engineers who show up in costume and talk and answer questions,show films,all as if they were the real Wil and Orv.They are OUTSTANDING. But the guy from SAA was there a s well,only by happen stance,pitching his organization.I think we could hav e given him a little more attention but he was really upstaged by the Wrigh ts.This may be a better fit for our kind of flying. G.Aman -----Original Message----- From: The Kuffels Sent: Thu, Jun 6, 2013 4:53 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sprot aviation mag..... Gary, << Seems as though they go through cycles...don't think anyone of them has sent pictures or articles to EAA >> Very long cycles indeed. I didn't even pitch my project articles to EAA be cause it seemed they hadn't had a real how-to since the Roncz series on air plane design about 13 years ago. Another question with them is I can't find an Author's Guide anywhere. Thi s leaves the impression they only pay for articles from their in-house "Con tributing Writers". The rest of us are supposed to volunteer a la Oshkosh? Tom Kuffel ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:36 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Prop suggestion From: "pipercolt" Hi Folks I am putting a Rotax 582 on my Kolb Mk 111 and I would like some input from folks on this forum who have flown with this combination. I am new to the Light Sport world. Thanks Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402156#402156 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:09 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: prop From: "pipercolt" Hi Again I forgot to ask what prop you folks would recommend for the 582 on the Mk 111 Thanks Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402157#402157 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: prop From: Dennis Rowe If you have a type C or E gearbox, I would recommend the taper tip Warp Drive three blade. 68 to 72 inch dia, 3.47 to 1 ratio. Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA On Jun 6, 2013, at 6:42 PM, "pipercolt" wrote: > > Hi Again > I forgot to ask what prop you folks would recommend for the 582 on the Mk 111 > Thanks > Bob > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402157#402157 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:39 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: prop From: "pipercolt" Hi Skid I have the "B" gearbox. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402170#402170 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: prop From: Dennis Rowe Maybe go two blade than. Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA On Jun 6, 2013, at 9:38 PM, "pipercolt" wrote: > > Hi Skid > I have the "B" gearbox. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402170#402170 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Prop suggestion From: Ellery Batchelder Jr I would recomend anything but a warp that caused me to terminate my flight and airplane in the woods Ellery Batchelder Jr. -----Original Message----- From: bob.pipercolt@yahoo.com Sent: Thu, Jun 6, 2013 2:36 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Prop suggestion Hi Folks I am putting a Rotax 582 on my Kolb Mk 111 and I would like some input from folks on this forum who have flown with this combination. I am new to the L ight Sport world. 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