---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/10/13: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:06 AM - Re: Re: Transitioning to the Mk III (Pat Ladd) 2. 07:20 AM - Re: Transitioning to the Mk III (Larlaeb) 3. 10:56 AM - Marking Center Of Tube (Dnul) 4. 11:23 AM - Rudder Spring Length FireFly Question (Dnul) 5. 01:21 PM - Re: Rudder Spring Length FireFly Question (Dennis Rowe) 6. 03:48 PM - Re: Rudder Spring Length FireFly Question (Ducati SS) 7. 04:02 PM - Re: Marking Center Of Tube (Ducati SS) 8. 06:32 PM - Re: Latex Pain Forum (Rick Lewis) 9. 06:40 PM - Re: Re: Marking Center Of Tube (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) 10. 09:17 PM - Re: Re: Latex Pain Forum (Sky Biker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:43 AM PST US From: "Pat Ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Transitioning to the Mk III I found these videos very helpful during my transition, I probably watched them 20 or 30 times. Hi You are making a mountain out of a molehill. I changed from a Challenger to a Mk111 Xtra.in a couple of days. The obvious change is tricycle to tail dragger. Tricycle is so much better in every way it amazes me that anyone bothers with taildraggers. Steering is accurate and precise without having to bother with differential brakes. Side winds problems are much reduced with easily controllable weathercocking.. That said there is something romantic and `veteran` about a tail dragger that I .like or I would not have bought the Xtra. Hold the stick right back when taxying and point the stick into wind. Taxy around your field until you can point the plane in the right direction. Do a couple of runs along the runway until you can lift the tail (gently) and balance on the mains.Find the trim position. When you can keep straight and on two wheels just set up the longest run you can, select one notch of flap, open the throttle SLOWLY or she will swing, until you are flat out. and go for it. It will be obvious when she wants to fly, don`t mess about watching the ASI, just let her lift off. Climb at full throttle at about 50ish. Its not that critical, just don`t get slow.Take the flap off at around 5/600ft Get 1000ft on, throttle back, play with the trim and get used to the flying position. Do some gradually steeper turns in both directions and just play with it for half an hour. Check the indicated stall speed with one notch of flap.which is what you will use for landing. Landing. Set up your approach giving yourself plenty of room. No steep turns in the circuit. Circuit height is probably around 700ft agl. Reduce power and trim for about 50. on the downwind The change in attitude is not great but.the nose will tend to lift as the power comes off. I never did a flapless landing, why would you?. You want increased lift at decreased speed when landing. Thats what flaps are for. One notch flaps,watch for attitude change, trim out for 50/55. Turn final . I alaways cut the throttle when the field is made. Let the plane sink until the blur of the grass changes and you can see individual blades of grass. Flare and try to keep the plane in the air, just off the ground as long as possible. She will eventually stall and you should be a few inches off the ground at that point. You have a perfect three pointer. KEEP THE STICK BACK and apply brakes if you must, but GENTLY. Raise the flap and taxy in. You will not need more than one notch of flap except in an emergency .She REALLY comes down steeply if you do. One more thing. If you sideslip and there is really not much point as the flaps will drop you quite quickly enough watch for a slight lift of the nose. The sideways motion of the air across the curved nose produces a bit of lift. No problem, just be aware. Good luck Pat . ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:19 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Transitioning to the Mk III From: "Larlaeb" Well, better a mountain than a hole in the ground I always say. Probably some of us just need more help than others. I would argue that a Challenger fits into the lighter type of aircraft category which would give you an understanding of the deceleration issues which plague some GA pilots making the transition. As far as tricycles being better, I will agree that they are generally easier but not better for all applications. Just my two cents. Allan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404377#404377 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:17 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Marking Center Of Tube From: "Dnul" Picture shows how to mark the center line of a tube using a C-Thru brand ruler. -------- Dnul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404395#404395 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/018_113.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:45 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Rudder Spring Length FireFly Question From: "Dnul" The picture of a new factory-built FireFly shows that the longitudinal axis of a rudder spring must bend whenever a rudder pedal is pushed. Would it be better if the spring on a pedal that is pressed is allowed to relax? -------- Dnul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404397#404397 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/firefly_may13_005_164.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rudder Spring Length FireFly Question From: Dennis Rowe Doug, The rudder pedal springs on Kolbs do relax when that pedal is pushed. They are in tension and shorten when the corresponding pedal is depressed. Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA On Jul 10, 2013, at 2:23 PM, "Dnul" wrote: > > The picture of a new factory-built FireFly shows that the longitudinal axis of a rudder spring must bend whenever a rudder pedal is pushed. Would it be better if the spring on a pedal that is pressed is allowed to relax? > > -------- > Dnul > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404397#404397 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/firefly_may13_005_164.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:49 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Rudder Spring Length FireFly Question From: "Ducati SS" I made a small T bracket for the forward spring mount to eliminate this problem. Drilled and riveted to the 4130 cage tube so the bracket will not rotate. No binding or flexing of springs. Simple to make with 2 pieces of tubing and a triangular gusset. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404423#404423 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:09 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Marking Center Of Tube From: "Ducati SS" I spent a lot of time measuring and marking tubing until I came up with this method. Take the tube that needs to be marked. say 1/2" lightly secure to work table ( tape or wood blocks ) lay a piece of 1/2" tubeing parallel and a few inches away from part to be marked. take a third piece of tubing and either coat that piece or the tube to be marked with magic marker. Drag the third piece down the two parallel pieces together, the tube being dragged along the top will hit the exact apex of the two parallel tubes for as long a line as you want to make. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404425#404425 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:02 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Latex Pain Forum From: "Rick Lewis" Painting my Kolb with latex paint sounds interesting if it will hold up to time and look reasonably good. Can you use latex paint over the silver Polly brush with success? Also can you remove the paint with MEK down to the cloth for repair? -------- Rick Lewis (VW Watercooled Engine) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404434#404434 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:14 PM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Marking Center Of Tube Ducati SS That is a very good idea. Simple and easy to do. Thanks for sharing. Bill Varnes Audubon, NJ 85 Kolb FireStar do not archive In a message dated 7/10/2013 7:02:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hiwingflyer6219@yahoo.com writes: I spent a lot of time measuring and marking tubing until I came up with this method ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:14 PM PST US From: Sky Biker Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Latex Pain Forum I recovered my Challenger 11 CWS in 05 and used Flex Bon latex house paint. I sprayed it over the silver polly brush and had no problems. I researched several latex paints before using the Flex Bon being it was developed in F lorida and for it's sun resistance. The key is to clear coat it to keep the darker colors from fading also. I ran out of the clear coat on a section o f the tail feathers which faded after a couple years. Other than for that the paint still looks great even after all these years and still has it's s hine. I am in the process of recovering my Mark 111C and will use the same paint system. Yes you can use the MEK to remove the paint. $30 a gal for th e latex plus $80 for the clear coat is a whole lot cheaper than the other p aints used and looks as good. > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Latex Pain Forum > From: cktman@wildblue.net > Date: Wed=2C 10 Jul 2013 18:31:47 -0700 > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > Painting my Kolb with latex paint sounds interesting if it will hold up t o time and look reasonably good. Can you use latex paint over the silver P olly brush with success? Also can you remove the paint with MEK down to t he cloth for repair? > > -------- > Rick Lewis > > (VW Watercooled Engine) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=404434#404434 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.