---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/16/13: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:21 AM - Re: Mounting light on Rudder? (racerjerry) 2. 06:07 AM - Re: Mounting light on Rudder? (Richard Pike) 3. 07:49 AM - Re: Re: Mounting light on Rudder? (kinne russ) 4. 12:56 PM - Mark III POH (mark rinehart) 5. 05:18 PM - Re: Re: Mounting light on Rudder? (Richard Girard) 6. 07:00 PM - Re: Re: Mounting light on Rudder? (kinne russ) 7. 07:05 PM - Re: Re: Mounting light on Rudder? (Dennis Rowe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:38 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mounting light on Rudder? From: "racerjerry" Well, Cessna mounted a light on the rudder trailing edge; but please remember that if you do, you are adding mass in the WRONG DIRECTION that will increase the chance of FLUTTER. Not Recommended. My vote is for mounting on top of the vertical stabilizer. -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406841#406841 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:58 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mounting light on Rudder? From: "Richard Pike" My MKIII needed a counterbalance to stop the rudder flutter, probably due to the addition of a light. If I had it to do over again, I would have mounted one on each wing tip instead. Here are the pictures and description of the light and counterbalance: http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg6.htm -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406844#406844 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mounting light on Rudder? From: kinne russ When Cessna mounted a light on the trailing edge of the rudder, you can bet they BALANCED the rudder -- so it wouldn't flutter. They recommend that even when you repaint a control surface, you re-balance to compensate for this very slight weight difference. This is important, even at the low speeds of a Kolb. Flutter can destroy a control surface in a couple of seconds. Russ K On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:21 AM, racerjerry wrote: > > Well, Cessna mounted a light on the rudder trailing edge; but please remember that if you do, you are adding mass in the WRONG DIRECTION that will increase the chance of FLUTTER. Not Recommended. > > My vote is for mounting on top of the vertical stabilizer. > > -------- > Jerry King > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406841#406841 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:56:19 PM PST US From: mark rinehart Subject: Kolb-List: Mark III POH Anyone have a POH for a Mk3 Classic that I can use (will modify the V-speed numbers for my airplane)?-Thanks.- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mounting light on Rudder? From: Richard Girard Does anyone have a picture of a Cessna with a light mounted as described? Rick Girard do not archive On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM, kinne russ wrote: > > When Cessna mounted a light on the trailing edge of the rudder, you can > bet they BALANCED the rudder -- so it wouldn't flutter. > They recommend that even when you repaint a control surface, you > re-balance to compensate for this very slight weight difference. > This is important, even at the low speeds of a Kolb. Flutter can destroy a > control surface in a couple of seconds. > Russ K > > > On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:21 AM, racerjerry wrote: > > > > > Well, Cessna mounted a light on the rudder trailing edge; but please > remember that if you do, you are adding mass in the WRONG DIRECTION that > will increase the chance of FLUTTER. Not Recommended. > > > > My vote is for mounting on top of the vertical stabilizer. > > > > -------- > > Jerry King > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406841#406841 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:59 PM PST US From: kinne russ Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mounting light on Rudder? Rick, my Cessna 170 had such a light, factory-mounted as original equipment. If you can find a 170 anywhere (at least the B model) I think you'll see that light. I no longer have that aircraft so can't send you a pic. do not archive Russ K On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:18 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > Does anyone have a picture of a Cessna with a light mounted as described? > > Rick Girard > do not archive > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM, kinne russ wrote: > > When Cessna mounted a light on the trailing edge of the rudder, you can bet they BALANCED the rudder -- so it wouldn't flutter. > They recommend that even when you repaint a control surface, you re-balance to compensate for this very slight weight difference. > This is important, even at the low speeds of a Kolb. Flutter can destroy a control surface in a couple of seconds. > Russ K > > > > On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:21 AM, racerjerry wrote: > > > > > Well, Cessna mounted a light on the rudder trailing edge; but please remember that if you do, you are adding mass in the WRONG DIRECTION that will increase the chance of FLUTTER. Not Recommended. > > > > My vote is for mounting on top of the vertical stabilizer. > > > > -------- > > Jerry King > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406841#406841 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========== > arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > > > > -- > Zulu Delta > Mk IIIC > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. > - Groucho Marx > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:27 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mounting light on Rudder? From: Dennis Rowe Got a 170 we are restoring but the rudder is at my buddy's garage, looks a l ot like Rev Pikes only made with corrugated aluminum. Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:18 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > Does anyone have a picture of a Cessna with a light mounted as described? > > Rick Girard > do not archive > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM, kinne russ wrote: >> >> When Cessna mounted a light on the trailing edge of the rudder, you can b et they BALANCED the rudder -- so it wouldn't flutter. >> They recommend that even when you repaint a control surface, you re-balan ce to compensate for this very slight weight difference. >> This is important, even at the low speeds of a Kolb. Flutter can destroy a control surface in a couple of seconds. >> Russ K >> >> >> >> On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:21 AM, racerjerry wrote: >> >> > >> > Well, Cessna mounted a light on the rudder trailing edge; but please re member that if you do, you are adding mass in the WRONG DIRECTION that will i ncrease the chance of FLUTTER. Not Recommended. >> > >> > My vote is for mounting on top of the vertical stabilizer. >> > >> > -------- >> > Jerry King >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Read this topic online here: >> > >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406841#406841 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ========== >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> > > > > -- > Zulu Delta > Mk IIIC > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy .. > - Groucho Marx > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.