---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/17/13: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:50 AM - Re: Re: Mounting light on Rudder? (kinne russ) 2. 07:47 AM - Re: Re: Mounting light on Rudder? (Richard Girard) 3. 08:13 AM - Re: Re: Mounting light on Rudder? (Mike Welch) 4. 08:24 AM - Re: Re: Mounting light on Rudder? (b young) 5. 03:56 PM - video (Larry Cottrell) 6. 04:05 PM - Re: video (Frank) 7. 04:34 PM - Re: video (Larry Cottrell) 8. 04:36 PM - Re: video (Frank) 9. 04:45 PM - Re: video (Frank) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:52 AM PST US From: kinne russ Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mounting light on Rudder? I think all the B models, from '52 on, had that light. Note the counterbalance in front if the hinge line Good luck! On Aug 16, 2013, at 10:04 PM, Dennis Rowe wrote: > Got a 170 we are restoring but the rudder is at my buddy's garage, looks a lot like Rev Pikes only made with corrugated aluminum. > > Dennis "Skid" Rowe > Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA > > > > On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:18 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > >> Does anyone have a picture of a Cessna with a light mounted as described? >> >> Rick Girard >> do not archive >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM, kinne russ wrote: >> >> When Cessna mounted a light on the trailing edge of the rudder, you can bet they BALANCED the rudder -- so it wouldn't flutter. >> They recommend that even when you repaint a control surface, you re-balance to compensate for this very slight weight difference. >> This is important, even at the low speeds of a Kolb. Flutter can destroy a control surface in a couple of seconds. >> Russ K >> >> >> >> On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:21 AM, racerjerry wrote: >> >> > >> > Well, Cessna mounted a light on the rudder trailing edge; but please remember that if you do, you are adding mass in the WRONG DIRECTION that will increase the chance of FLUTTER. Not Recommended. >> > >> > My vote is for mounting on top of the vertical stabilizer. >> > >> > -------- >> > Jerry King >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Read this topic online here: >> > >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406841#406841 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ========== >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Zulu Delta >> Mk IIIC >> Thanks, Homer GBYM >> >> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. >> - Groucho Marx >> >> >> >> > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:05 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mounting light on Rudder? From: Richard Girard This is probably the worst mistake I have made in a long time. For several years I had a bad case of airplane lust for a 170B. I fear it has been reawakened after 10 minutes of looking at pictures of that beautiful aircraft. Dang! Rick do not archive On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 6:50 AM, kinne russ wrote: > I think all the B models, from '52 on, had that light. Note the > counterbalance in front if the hinge line > Good luck! > > On Aug 16, 2013, at 10:04 PM, Dennis Rowe wrote: > > Got a 170 we are restoring but the rudder is at my buddy's garage, looks a > lot like Rev Pikes only made with corrugated aluminum. > > Dennis "Skid" Rowe > Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA > > > On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:18 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > > Does anyone have a picture of a Cessna with a light mounted as described? > > Rick Girard > do not archive > > > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM, kinne russ wrote: > >> >> When Cessna mounted a light on the trailing edge of the rudder, you can >> bet they BALANCED the rudder -- so it wouldn't flutter. >> They recommend that even when you repaint a control surface, you >> re-balance to compensate for this very slight weight difference. >> This is important, even at the low speeds of a Kolb. Flutter can destroy >> a control surface in a couple of seconds. >> Russ K >> >> >> >> On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:21 AM, racerjerry wrote: >> >> > >> > Well, Cessna mounted a light on the rudder trailing edge; but please >> remember that if you do, you are adding mass in the WRONG DIRECTION that >> will increase the chance of FLUTTER. Not Recommended. >> > >> > My vote is for mounting on top of the vertical stabilizer. >> > >> > -------- >> > Jerry King >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Read this topic online here: >> > >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406841#406841 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ========== >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Zulu Delta > Mk IIIC > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. > - Groucho Marx > > * > > * > > * > > 3D============================================ > href="x-msg://4/3D%22http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List%22">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > 3D============================================ > href="x-msg://4/3D%22http://forums.matronics.com%22">http://forums.matronics.com > 3D============================================ > href="x-msg://4/3D%22http://www.matronics.com/contribution%22">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > 3D============================================ > * > > > * > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:29 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mounting light on Rudder? Rick, I wouldn't worry about it now. Undoubtedly after all these years you lost that familiarity of the "old airplane" smell, the one where when you first get in it they have the "aluminum/slight gas" smell, with the slightest hint of oil in the air. I'm sure gone, too, is the rocking feeling as you adjust to get a comfortable position in the seat, and you stare at the gauges and the control and remember how much fun they were to fly. Damn it. Now I want one, too. Mike On Aug 17, 2013, at 9:46 AM, Richard Girard wrote: > This is probably the worst mistake I have made in a long time. > For several years I had a bad case of airplane lust for a 170B. I fear it has been reawakened after 10 minutes of looking at pictures of that beautiful aircraft. > Dang! > > Rick > do not archive > > > On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 6:50 AM, kinne russ wrote: > I think all the B models, from '52 on, had that light. Note the counterbalance in front if the hinge line > Good luck! > > On Aug 16, 2013, at 10:04 PM, Dennis Rowe wrote: > >> Got a 170 we are restoring but the rudder is at my buddy's garage, looks a lot like Rev Pikes only made with corrugated aluminum. >> >> Dennis "Skid" Rowe >> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA >> >> >> >> On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:18 PM, Richard Girard wrote: >> >>> Does anyone have a picture of a Cessna with a light mounted as described? >>> >>> Rick Girard >>> do not archive >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM, kinne russ wrote: >>> >>> When Cessna mounted a light on the trailing edge of the rudder, you can bet they BALANCED the rudder -- so it wouldn't flutter. >>> They recommend that even when you repaint a control surface, you re-balance to compensate for this very slight weight difference. >>> This is important, even at the low speeds of a Kolb. Flutter can destroy a control surface in a couple of seconds. >>> Russ K >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:21 AM, racerjerry wrote: >>> >>> > >>> > Well, Cessna mounted a light on the rudder trailing edge; but please remember that if you do, you are adding mass in the WRONG DIRECTION that will increase the chance of FLUTTER. Not Recommended. >>> > >>> > My vote is for mounting on top of the vertical stabilizer. >>> > >>> > -------- >>> > Jerry King >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Read this topic online here: >>> > >>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406841#406841 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> ========== >>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >>> ========== >>> http://forums.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> le, List Admin. >>> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> ========== >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Zulu Delta >>> Mk IIIC >>> Thanks, Homer GBYM >>> >>> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. >>> - Groucho Marx >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >> href="x-msg://4/3D%22http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List%22">ht tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >> href="x-msg://4/3D%22http://forums.matronics.com%22">http://forums.matro nics.com >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >> href="x-msg://4/3D%22http://www.matronics.com/contribution%22">http://ww w.matronics.com/contribution >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D >> > > > > get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > -- > Zulu Delta > Mk IIIC > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. > - Groucho Marx > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:50 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mounting light on Rudder? if I remember... the regs say that the light should be mounted on the most rear part of the air craft... that way the light can be seen from any angle with out being blanked out. if you don=99t want to add the chance of flutter... make a bracket for the light and mount it to the forward part of the tail wheel support rod where vibration would be at a minimum. boyd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 16, 2013, at 8:21 AM, racerjerry wrote: > > Well, Cessna mounted a light on the rudder trailing edge; but please remember that if you do, you are adding mass in the WRONG DIRECTION that will increase the chance of FLUTTER. Not Recommended. > > My vote is for mounting on top of the vertical stabilizer. > > -------- > Jerry King > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406841#406841 > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:56:44 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: video From: Larry Cottrell https://vimeo.com/72565099 password owyheeflyer A short flight to check a recent fire at the base of the Steens Mtn. While I was flying my EIS alarm went off at 7000 feet altitude. My oil pressure jumped to 99 lbs. Larry -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:56 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: video From: Frank Hi Larry, Please keep us HKS users in the Loop when you find out what happened. Good luck. Frank Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2013, at 5:55 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > https://vimeo.com/72565099 password owyheeflyer > > A short flight to check a recent fire at the base of the Steens Mtn. While I was flying my EIS alarm went off at 7000 feet altitude. My oil pressure j umped to 99 lbs. > > Larry > > -- > If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email addre ss before sending. > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:27 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: video From: Larry Cottrell The "eyelet" that I had connected to the oil sender wire broke. Obviously due to vibration. I have to admit that I was surprised as it broke even with the plastic nut that held it. The key to determine how serious the warning, was that the reading did not change when I throttled back. I of course landed to check it out, and repaired it by baring some of the wire and reconnecting it. Larry On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Frank wrote: > Hi Larry, > Please keep us HKS users in the > Loop when you find out what happened. Good luck. > Frank > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 17, 2013, at 5:55 PM, Larry Cottrell > wrote: > > https://vimeo.com/72565099 password owyheeflyer > > A short flight to check a recent fire at the base of the Steens Mtn. While > I was flying my EIS alarm went off at 7000 feet altitude. My oil pressure > jumped to 99 lbs. > > Larry > > -- > *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending.* > > * > > * > > * > > * > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: video From: Frank Larry, Checked with a fellow HKS flyer He told me that if the wire to the Sender breaks the eis will read 99 psi. Happened to him two Times. Frank Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2013, at 5:55 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > https://vimeo.com/72565099 password owyheeflyer > > A short flight to check a recent fire at the base of the Steens Mtn. While I was flying my EIS alarm went off at 7000 feet altitude. My oil pressure j umped to 99 lbs. > > Larry > > -- > If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email addre ss before sending. > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: video From: Frank Larry, Sorry to send extra info,I sent it Before I got your last post. Frank Sent from my iPhone On Aug 17, 2013, at 6:32 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > The "eyelet" that I had connected to the oil sender wire broke. Obviously d ue to vibration. I have to admit that I was surprised as it broke even with t he plastic nut that held it. The key to determine how serious the warning, w as that the reading did not change when I throttled back. I of course landed to check it out, and repaired it by baring some of the wire and reconnectin g it. > Larry > > > On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Frank wrote: >> Hi Larry, >> Please keep us HKS users in the >> Loop when you find out what happened. Good luck. >> Frank >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 17, 2013, at 5:55 PM, Larry Cottrell wro te: >> >>> https://vimeo.com/72565099 password owyheeflyer >>> >>> A short flight to check a recent fire at the base of the Steens Mtn. Whi le I was flying my EIS alarm went off at 7000 feet altitude. My oil pressure jumped to 99 lbs. >>> >>> Larry >>> >>> -- >>> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email add ress before sending. >> >> >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> > > > > -- > If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email addre ss before sending. > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.