---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/23/13: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:10 AM - Re: Light Frame Rust (racerjerry) 2. 06:01 AM - Re: Mark III POH (Mark Rinehart) 3. 07:22 AM - Re: Mark III POH (Rick Neilsen) 4. 08:55 AM - Re: Light Frame Rust (Larlaeb) 5. 08:56 AM - Re: Light Frame Rust (Larlaeb) 6. 09:07 AM - Re: Mark III POH (Dennis Rowe) 7. 10:52 AM - Re: Mark III POH (Rex Rodebush) 8. 05:35 PM - Re: Re: Light Frame Rust (Richard Girard) 9. 06:03 PM - Re: Re: Mark III POH (Dennis Rowe) 10. 06:25 PM - Mk3 POH (Dennis Rowe) 11. 06:28 PM - Re: Mark III POH (Rex Rodebush) 12. 06:40 PM - Mk-3 POH part 2 (Dennis Rowe) 13. 07:25 PM - Re: Re: Mark III POH (Dennis Rowe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:10:37 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Light Frame Rust From: "racerjerry" CURIOUS - Is this rust underneath EPOXY primer? -------- Jerry King Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407328#407328 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III POH From: Mark Rinehart No. Guess I'll make up my own. Mark R On 22.08.2013, at 16:59, Dennis Rowe wrote: > Mark, > Did you get the info from someone? > > Dennis "Skid" Rowe > Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA > > > > On Aug 16, 2013, at 3:55 PM, mark rinehart wrote: > >> Anyone have a POH for a Mk3 Classic that I can use (will modify the V-spe ed numbers for my airplane)? Thanks. >> >> >> > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III POH From: Rick Neilsen Rick I don't think it is a good idea to indicate in any way that maximum weight of any airplane can be increased just because it flies at that weight. I had a long talk with a engineer that helped design the MKIII and he would not budge on the recommended 1000 LB limit. Yes the airframe is very strong and is conservatively rated as all aircraft are. His concerns are things like builders skill, aging airframe, and turbulent air. At least one builder/pilot flies his plane loaded to 1200 lb. but only after a number of modifications to the airframe. Without a extensive background in aircraft design and considerable testing it is dangerous to recommend exceeding the manufacturer's limits. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:37 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > Mark, Denny, Attached is AC-90-89A, "AMATEUR-BUILT AIRCRAFT & ULTRALIGHT > FLIGHT TESTING HANDBOOK." > Not exactly what you asked for, but with this you can determine all the > "V" speeds, calculate take off distances, and fore and aft limits for the > CG, etc. > For first flights, use 45 for Vx (stall speed 37mph + 20%(8 mph)), and 50 > mph as pattern and approach speed. The reason for the difference is that > the Mk III, either version, will not do a conventional departure stall. It > will just mush along on the prop. > If the previous owner didn't set a maximum take off weight, start at 1000 > lb.and work your way up 50 lb. at a time. I found 1100 lb. was a good upper > limit, although I tested to over 1200 lb. in both models, but control > travel becomes an issue (at 1240 lb. I had less than a half inch between > the stick and the seat frame in the "X"). > Hope this helps. > > Rick Girard > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Dennis Rowe wrote: > >> Mark, >> Did you get the info from someone? >> >> Dennis "Skid" Rowe >> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA >> >> >> >> On Aug 16, 2013, at 3:55 PM, mark rinehart wrote: >> >> Anyone have a POH for a Mk3 Classic that I can use (will modify the >> V-speed numbers for my airplane)? Thanks. >> >> * >> >> * >> >> * >> >> 3D============================================ >> 3D============================================ >> 3D============================================ >> 3D============================================ >> * >> >> > > > -- > Zulu Delta > Mk IIIC > Thanks, Homer GBYM > > It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. > - Groucho Marx > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:52 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Light Frame Rust From: "Larlaeb" My understanding is it was powder coated then primed and painted but I don't know what kind of paint. (Not my build). I'm trying to find out though. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407353#407353 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:33 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Light Frame Rust From: "Larlaeb" My understanding is it was powder coated then primed and painted but I don't know what kind of paint. (Not my build). I'm trying to find out though. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407354#407354 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mark III POH From: Dennis Rowe Ill take pics of my sheets and send them to you after work today, sorry for n ot getting on this sooner. Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA On Aug 23, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Mark Rinehart wrote: > No. Guess I'll make up my own. > > Mark R > > On 22.08.2013, at 16:59, Dennis Rowe wrote: > >> Mark, >> Did you get the info from someone? >> >> Dennis "Skid" Rowe >> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA >> >> >> >> On Aug 16, 2013, at 3:55 PM, mark rinehart wrote: >> >>> Anyone have a POH for a Mk3 Classic that I can use (will modify the V-sp eed numbers for my airplane)? Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:52:21 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III POH From: "Rex Rodebush" Check your indicated stall speed on first flight. I have been told by a very good source that 55 to 50 (no flaps) is normal for a Mark III Xtra. Mine is in that range. If that is the case 50 is not a good pattern speed. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407368#407368 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Light Frame Rust From: Richard Girard If it was powder coated it is unlikely that it would be painted, too. Powder coating steel typically involves a phosphoric acid cleaning, the powder is applied by electrostatic deposition and then baked to fuse the powder into a continuous plastic coating. Therein lies the problem, once the coating is pierced in any way, or if the phosphoric acid dip is eliminated or too long a time passes between the dip and the coating operation corrosion is sealed under the coating and the staining shown in your pictures results. Up to you as to how you repair it but AC 43-13 1b is a good place to start. Rick Girard On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Larlaeb wrote: > > My understanding is it was powder coated then primed and painted but I > don't know what kind of paint. (Not my build). I'm trying to find out > though. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407353#407353 > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III POH From: Dennis Rowe If 50 to 55 is your normal stall in a Mk 3 of any flavor, you have an airspeed indicator error. Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA On Aug 23, 2013, at 1:52 PM, "Rex Rodebush" wrote: > > Check your indicated stall speed on first flight. I have been told by a very good source that 55 to 50 (no flaps) is normal for a Mark III Xtra. > > Mine is in that range. If that is the case 50 is not a good pattern speed. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407368#407368 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:02 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Mk3 POH From: Dennis Rowe This should help, I'll send the next side in a minute. Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:48 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III POH From: "Rex Rodebush" I also thought 55 was too high for stall. I pulled the static line from the tube and put it inside the cockpit and but got the same result. The next thing is to get some good test data with the indicated airspeed and actual GPS speed. I've got about 4 hours on the plane but am waiting for a new fuel pump as mine was on the recent Rotax service notice. My pitot tube is about 6" down from the nose and about 2" left. Rex Rodebush Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407399#407399 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:34 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Mk-3 POH part 2 From: Dennis Rowe Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III POH From: Dennis Rowe You'll find some error in the asi for sure. No big deal as long as you know where the stall is Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA On Aug 23, 2013, at 9:27 PM, "Rex Rodebush" wrote: > > I also thought 55 was too high for stall. I pulled the static line from the tube and put it inside the cockpit and but got the same result. > > The next thing is to get some good test data with the indicated airspeed and actual GPS speed. I've got about 4 hours on the plane but am waiting for a new fuel pump as mine was on the recent Rotax service notice. > > My pitot tube is about 6" down from the nose and about 2" left. > > Rex Rodebush > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407399#407399 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.