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1. 07:22 AM - Re: Mk3 POH (b young)
2. 08:31 AM - Re: Mk-3 POH part 2 (Larry Dunphy)
3. 11:19 AM - Re: Mk3 POH (Dennis Rowe)
4. 11:28 AM - Re: Mk-3 POH part 2 (Dennis Rowe)
5. 02:04 PM - Re: Spark Plug question (William Long)
6. 02:25 PM - Re: Light Frame Rust (Rick Lewis)
7. 02:53 PM - Re: Re: Light Frame Rust (Charlie England)
8. 03:17 PM - Re: Re: Light Frame Rust (Beauford)
9. 05:38 PM - Re: Re: Light Frame Rust (John Hauck)
10. 05:50 PM - Re: Re: Light Frame Rust (John Hauck)
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Dennis..... I read your page on engine start.... and you turn on the eis
before starting???????? the voltage spikes from the starter and starter
solenoid can raise havoc with all electronics. in my humble opinion you
should leave off all electronics till the engine is running smoothly.
to prevent this in my plane. I installed a switch between the master and
the starter switch,,, it is an on--off--on in the back position it
delivers power to the starter switch, and in the forward position it
delivers power to all electronics in the aircraft..... this way it is
impossible to start with electronics turned on.
boyd young
archive this one,,,, I think it is important
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From: Dennis Rowe
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 7:19 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Mk3 POH
This should help, I'll send the next side in a minute.
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Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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Subject: | Re: Mk-3 POH part 2 |
GREAT check list .../ SOP flight procedure ... is it for a 912 ????
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Rowe
Sent: 23 August, 2013 9:20 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Mk-3 POH part 2
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I gotcha Boyd, I have a diode across the starter switch to shunt the spike from
the starter motor, still I think about that every startup and hope the diode
never craps out. Also, the key switch opens the power to the electronics buss
while the solenoid is picked up.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
On Aug 24, 2013, at 10:21 AM, "b young" <byoungplumbing@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Dennis..... I read your page on engine start.... and you turn on the eis before
starting???????? the voltage spikes from the starter and starter solenoid
can raise havoc with all electronics. in my humble opinion you should leave
off all electronics till the engine is running smoothly.
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> to prevent this in my plane. I installed a switch between the master and the
starter switch,,, it is an on--off--on in the back position it delivers
power to the starter switch, and in the forward position it delivers power
to all electronics in the aircraft..... this way it is impossible to start
with electronics turned on.
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Subject: | Re: Mk-3 POH part 2 |
No,
It's for a 2si 690L-70 two stroke triple.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
On Aug 24, 2013, at 11:30 AM, "Larry Dunphy" <skime2@roadrunner.com> wrote:
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Subject: | Re: Spark Plug question |
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: TheWanderingWench
<thewanderingwench@yahoo.com>=0ATo: Kolb List <kolb-list@matronics.com> =0A
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 7:16 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Spark Plug ques
tion=0A =0A=0A=0AI've always used NGK BR8ES plugs (solid cap) on both my 50
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and less fouling. He's used it for about 5 hours in his 582 and says that
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Subject: | Re: Light Frame Rust |
I have seen a few spots of rusts also at the weld joints on my powder coated cage,
I mean crap what do I do now. I was told the tubes were oil filled to prevent
corrosion, at least that's what Donnie told me before I bought my kit...
Donnie's gone now from Kolb.....
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Rick Lewis
(VW Watercooled Engine)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407426#407426
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Subject: | Re: Light Frame Rust |
On 08/24/2013 04:25 PM, Rick Lewis wrote:
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> I have seen a few spots of rusts also at the weld joints on my powder coated
cage, I mean crap what do I do now. I was told the tubes were oil filled to prevent
corrosion, at least that's what Donnie told me before I bought my kit...
Donnie's gone now from Kolb.....
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If the rust has made it through to the powder coat from inside the tube,
you've got more serious issues than what paint to use. :-)
The acro guys treat the interior of the tubes with linseed oil, weld the
entire structure shut, & weld in an inflation valve & air gauge. If the
gauge drops to nothing, they know that the fuselage has cracked somewhere.
Charlie
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Subject: | Re: Light Frame Rust |
Brother Lewis:
To the best of my limited knowledge, there is only one way to tell whether
the tubes in your cage are filled with oil, or not. Each discrete tube
segment of your cage
would have a sealing rivet plugging the drilled hole where someone injected
the Tube Seal, linseed oil, or whatever. There is no other method I know of
to get oil inside the cage tubes... As far as I know, no drilled holes, no
plug rivets, no oil inside. Houdini remains dead.
If this is not accurate, I am sure some of our fellow Kolbers will set me
straight... sans delay... :-)
Worth what ye paid fer it...
Riveted, soggy, beauford
FF-076
Brandon, FL
"...please, more rain, Drill Sergeant..."
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Subject: | Re: Light Frame Rust |
To the best of my limited knowledge, there is only one way
to tell whether the tubes in your cage are filled with oil,
or not. Each discrete tube segment of your cage would have
a sealing rivet plugging the drilled hole where someone
injected the Tube Seal, linseed oil, or whatever. There is
no other method I know of
to get oil inside the cage tubes... As far as I know, no
drilled holes, no
plug rivets, no oil inside. Houdini remains dead.
If this is not accurate, I am sure some of our fellow
Kolbers will set me straight... sans delay... :-)
Worth what ye paid fer it...
Riveted, soggy, beauford
FF-076
Brandon, FL
"...please, more rain, Drill Sergeant..."
Beauford T/Kolbers:
Having had the opportunity of inspecting several Kolb
airframes that were not tube sealed, prior to completion of
my first Kolb, an Ultrastar, in 1984, I decided to by a
quart of Ray Stitt's Tube Seal and pickup a hypodermic
needle and syringe from my local veterinarian. All three of
my Kolbs have been tube sealed. 1/8" holes were sealed with
sealed end pop rivets.
BTW, there was considerable rust inside most of the 4130
tubes in both airframes we cut up.
Still have some tube seal left after treating three
airframes.
Almost impossible to make a perfectly sealed weld joint on
an airframe. If there is a pin hole or a crack, the tube
seal will work its way out and seal the problem. There will
also be a tell tale black sign where the problem is.
My airframe is nearly 23 years old and has more than 3,200
flight hours on it. No cracks, but have had a pin hole or
two in the welds.
john h
mkIII
Butte, MT
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Subject: | Re: Light Frame Rust |
Almost impossible to make a perfectly sealed weld joint on
an airframe. If there is a pin hole or a crack, the tube
seal will work its way out and seal the problem. There will
also be a tell tale black sign where the problem is.
Gang:
Should have proof read this one before I hit the send
button.
Forget the paragraph above. Should have read:
"Tube seal will indicate a pin hole and/or a crack. It will
seal a pin hole, but not a crack. There will be a tell tale
black residue to indicate there is a problem."
Thanks,
john h
mkIII
Butte, MT
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