---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/24/13: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:22 AM - Re: Mk3 POH (b young) 2. 08:31 AM - Re: Mk-3 POH part 2 (Larry Dunphy) 3. 11:19 AM - Re: Mk3 POH (Dennis Rowe) 4. 11:28 AM - Re: Mk-3 POH part 2 (Dennis Rowe) 5. 02:04 PM - Re: Spark Plug question (William Long) 6. 02:25 PM - Re: Light Frame Rust (Rick Lewis) 7. 02:53 PM - Re: Re: Light Frame Rust (Charlie England) 8. 03:17 PM - Re: Re: Light Frame Rust (Beauford) 9. 05:38 PM - Re: Re: Light Frame Rust (John Hauck) 10. 05:50 PM - Re: Re: Light Frame Rust (John Hauck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:34 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk3 POH Dennis..... I read your page on engine start.... and you turn on the eis before starting???????? the voltage spikes from the starter and starter solenoid can raise havoc with all electronics. in my humble opinion you should leave off all electronics till the engine is running smoothly. to prevent this in my plane. I installed a switch between the master and the starter switch,,, it is an on--off--on in the back position it delivers power to the starter switch, and in the forward position it delivers power to all electronics in the aircraft..... this way it is impossible to start with electronics turned on. boyd young archive this one,,,, I think it is important -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Rowe Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 7:19 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Mk3 POH This should help, I'll send the next side in a minute. Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA 


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________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:44 AM PST US From: "Larry Dunphy" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk-3 POH part 2 GREAT check list .../ SOP flight procedure ... is it for a 912 ???? -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Rowe Sent: 23 August, 2013 9:20 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Mk-3 POH part 2 Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA 


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________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:19:59 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk3 POH From: Dennis Rowe I gotcha Boyd, I have a diode across the starter switch to shunt the spike from the starter motor, still I think about that every startup and hope the diode never craps out. Also, the key switch opens the power to the electronics buss while the solenoid is picked up. Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA On Aug 24, 2013, at 10:21 AM, "b young" wrote: > > Dennis..... I read your page on engine start.... and you turn on the eis before starting???????? the voltage spikes from the starter and starter solenoid can raise havoc with all electronics. in my humble opinion you should leave off all electronics till the engine is running smoothly. > > to prevent this in my plane. I installed a switch between the master and the starter switch,,, it is an on--off--on in the back position it delivers power to the starter switch, and in the forward position it delivers power to all electronics in the aircraft..... this way it is impossible to start with electronics turned on. > > boyd young > > archive this one,,,, I think it is important > > -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Rowe > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 7:19 PM > To: Kolb-list > Subject: Kolb-List: Mk3 POH > > This should help, I'll send the next side in a minute. > > > > > > > > > > > Dennis "Skid" Rowe > Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA > > > > 

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> > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:28:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk-3 POH part 2 From: Dennis Rowe No, It's for a 2si 690L-70 two stroke triple. Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA On Aug 24, 2013, at 11:30 AM, "Larry Dunphy" wrote: > > GREAT check list .../ SOP flight procedure ... is it for a 912 ???? > > -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Rowe > Sent: 23 August, 2013 9:20 PM > To: Kolb-list > Subject: Kolb-List: Mk-3 POH part 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dennis "Skid" Rowe > Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA > > > > 

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> > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:11 PM PST US From: William Long Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Spark Plug question =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: TheWanderingWench =0ATo: Kolb List =0A Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 7:16 PM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Spark Plug ques tion=0A =0A=0A=0AI've always used NGK BR8ES plugs (solid cap) on both my 50 3 and 582 engines.=0A=0AToday a friend showed me NGK BR8EIX (solid cap) plu gs which he's just started using. NGK claims that this Iridium fine wire pl ug causes smoother idling, faster spark resulting in quicker engine starts, and less fouling. He's used it for about 5 hours in his 582 and says that the claims are justified. The plugs are twice as expensive as the BR8ES, bu t have a longer=0Alife. (Just how much longer he didn't know.)=0A=0A=0ADo a ny of you have experience with these plugs, and what's your verdict?=0A=0AA rty Trost=0ASandy, Oregon=0A=0A-=0Awww.LessonsFromTheEdge.com/uladventure 2009.htm=0A=0A=0A"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"=0AHelen Keller=0A =0A=0A"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."=0A ============= ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:25:52 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Light Frame Rust From: "Rick Lewis" I have seen a few spots of rusts also at the weld joints on my powder coated cage, I mean crap what do I do now. I was told the tubes were oil filled to prevent corrosion, at least that's what Donnie told me before I bought my kit... Donnie's gone now from Kolb..... -------- Rick Lewis (VW Watercooled Engine) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407426#407426 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:53:37 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Light Frame Rust On 08/24/2013 04:25 PM, Rick Lewis wrote: > > I have seen a few spots of rusts also at the weld joints on my powder coated cage, I mean crap what do I do now. I was told the tubes were oil filled to prevent corrosion, at least that's what Donnie told me before I bought my kit... Donnie's gone now from Kolb..... > > -------- > Rick Lewis > > (VW Watercooled Engine) > If the rust has made it through to the powder coat from inside the tube, you've got more serious issues than what paint to use. :-) The acro guys treat the interior of the tubes with linseed oil, weld the entire structure shut, & weld in an inflation valve & air gauge. If the gauge drops to nothing, they know that the fuselage has cracked somewhere. Charlie ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:17:21 PM PST US From: "Beauford " Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Light Frame Rust Brother Lewis: To the best of my limited knowledge, there is only one way to tell whether the tubes in your cage are filled with oil, or not. Each discrete tube segment of your cage would have a sealing rivet plugging the drilled hole where someone injected the Tube Seal, linseed oil, or whatever. There is no other method I know of to get oil inside the cage tubes... As far as I know, no drilled holes, no plug rivets, no oil inside. Houdini remains dead. If this is not accurate, I am sure some of our fellow Kolbers will set me straight... sans delay... :-) Worth what ye paid fer it... Riveted, soggy, beauford FF-076 Brandon, FL "...please, more rain, Drill Sergeant..." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- -----Original Message----- . I was told the tubes were oil filled to prevent corrosion, -------- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:32 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Light Frame Rust To the best of my limited knowledge, there is only one way to tell whether the tubes in your cage are filled with oil, or not. Each discrete tube segment of your cage would have a sealing rivet plugging the drilled hole where someone injected the Tube Seal, linseed oil, or whatever. There is no other method I know of to get oil inside the cage tubes... As far as I know, no drilled holes, no plug rivets, no oil inside. Houdini remains dead. If this is not accurate, I am sure some of our fellow Kolbers will set me straight... sans delay... :-) Worth what ye paid fer it... Riveted, soggy, beauford FF-076 Brandon, FL "...please, more rain, Drill Sergeant..." Beauford T/Kolbers: Having had the opportunity of inspecting several Kolb airframes that were not tube sealed, prior to completion of my first Kolb, an Ultrastar, in 1984, I decided to by a quart of Ray Stitt's Tube Seal and pickup a hypodermic needle and syringe from my local veterinarian. All three of my Kolbs have been tube sealed. 1/8" holes were sealed with sealed end pop rivets. BTW, there was considerable rust inside most of the 4130 tubes in both airframes we cut up. Still have some tube seal left after treating three airframes. Almost impossible to make a perfectly sealed weld joint on an airframe. If there is a pin hole or a crack, the tube seal will work its way out and seal the problem. There will also be a tell tale black sign where the problem is. My airframe is nearly 23 years old and has more than 3,200 flight hours on it. No cracks, but have had a pin hole or two in the welds. john h mkIII Butte, MT ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:29 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Light Frame Rust Almost impossible to make a perfectly sealed weld joint on an airframe. If there is a pin hole or a crack, the tube seal will work its way out and seal the problem. There will also be a tell tale black sign where the problem is. Gang: Should have proof read this one before I hit the send button. Forget the paragraph above. Should have read: "Tube seal will indicate a pin hole and/or a crack. It will seal a pin hole, but not a crack. There will be a tell tale black residue to indicate there is a problem." 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