---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/31/13: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:06 PM - covered canopy (funnyb0nz) 2. 12:09 PM - Training Firestar (funnyb0nz) 3. 02:44 PM - Re: Training Firestar (b young) 4. 05:54 PM - Re: Training Firestar (herb) 5. 06:30 PM - Kolb Xtra weight. & balance () 6. 07:01 PM - Re: Kolb Xtra weight. & balance (Dennis Rowe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:06:10 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: covered canopy From: "funnyb0nz" I am new here, plan on picking up a Kolb Firestar KXP next weekend. Can I easily put a covered canopy over cockpit? Currently the original owner has tall windshield, however with winter approaching I would like to stay as warm as possible when flying. I have seen some other Firestar's with closed canopy and one even having heat. So if someone can point me in the right direction that would be greatly appreciated. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407819#407819 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:51 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Training Firestar From: "funnyb0nz" Next weekend I should be picking up a firestar. I need to know whom I could contact for training. This plan is N numbered. I do have a sport pilots license with Powered Parachute endorsement, and Gyro. So need to know what endorsement I need for the Kolb so that I am flying legally. I have seen a lot of Kolb posted on barnstormers that don't make FAR 103, but people listing them as such. My goal is to have fun, do it safe and legal. I am located near Toledo, OH (Michigan/Ohio line). Also is this the main forum people tend to check it with Kolb? Thanks! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407820#407820 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:55 PM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Training Firestar this should be the right place for kolb information,,,, but lately the list has been slow. to fly legally with a N number tail dragger, you will have to add a tail wheel endorsement in your log book from your local CFI. now for the SAFE part,,, every one is different in their experience,,,, but the general consensus is you should have some IN TYPE training. how much may depend on what you have been flying and how fast you catch on boyd young mkiii utah -----Original Message----- From: funnyb0nz Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:09 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Training Firestar Next weekend I should be picking up a firestar. I need to know whom I could contact for training. This plan is N numbered. I do have a sport pilots license with Powered Parachute endorsement, and Gyro. So need to know what endorsement I need for the Kolb so that I am flying legally. I have seen a lot of Kolb posted on barnstormers that don't make FAR 103, but people listing them as such. My goal is to have fun, do it safe and legal. I am located near Toledo, OH (Michigan/Ohio line). Also is this the main forum people tend to check it with Kolb? Thanks! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407820#407820 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:44 PM PST US From: herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Training Firestar Boyd,Dan There in lies the problem..."in type"... I know of no one, in recent years, who does it..? Travis and Bryan may know...? Herb On 08/31/2013 09:44 PM, b young wrote: > > this should be the right place for kolb information,,,, but lately > the list has been slow. to fly legally with a N number tail > dragger, you will have to add a tail wheel endorsement in your log > book from your local CFI. now for the SAFE part,,, every one is > different in their experience,,,, but the general consensus is you > should have some IN TYPE training. how much may depend on what you > have been flying and how fast you catch on > > boyd young > mkiii utah > > -----Original Message----- From: funnyb0nz > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 1:09 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Training Firestar > > > Next weekend I should be picking up a firestar. I need to know whom I > could contact for training. This plan is N numbered. I do have a sport > pilots license with Powered Parachute endorsement, and Gyro. So need > to know what endorsement I need for the Kolb so that I am flying legally. > I have seen a lot of Kolb posted on barnstormers that don't make FAR > 103, but people listing them as such. My goal is to have fun, do it > safe and legal. I am located near Toledo, OH (Michigan/Ohio line). > Also is this the main forum people tend to check it with Kolb? > > Thanks! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407820#407820 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:01 PM PST US From: Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Xtra weight. & balance I have recently purchased a Kolb Xtra and have installed a BRS on it. I had to jump through a few hurdles and have yet to fly it. Now that the BRS is installed I am unable to get the correct CG. According to the information I have the CG should between 11.5% and 35% of the chord of the wing, in my case the wing chord is 66inches. Which equates to a CG range of 7.5 - 23.1 inches aft datum. However, I'm getting about 28. I used bathroom scales to measure, but could only get one per wheel to work, I was unable to get two scales per main wheel to work. When I put a board across the two only one scale would notice the weight. So my questions are: Is the CG range and/or the %s used (11.5 and 35) correct ? Could the weights be that far off? Could the bathroom scales be that much of POSs? The total AF weight from the previous owner's W&B was 601lbs and mine came out to be (on the last weighting as I have done at least 1/2 dozen) was 751lbs. As far as I can tell the previous owner added tundra tires after his last W&B and the weight of the BRS is only 18.6 lbs (which may not include the mounting hardware. But I don't think that adds up to 150lbs. Any help, suggestions, or comments would be greatly appreciated. I really to get in the air! Brad Nation Xtra N952DK
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:02 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Xtra weight. & balance From: Dennis Rowe Without good scales you are pissing into the wind, both those weights sound high, my Mk3 weighs 475 pounds but I really built it light and have a light two stroke engine, I guess the Xtra have a lot more bells and whistles. I hope to add some weight to it in the form of a 912 engine someday. Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA On Aug 31, 2013, at 9:29 PM, wrote: > I have recently purchased a Kolb Xtra and have installed a BRS on it. I had to jump through a few hurdles and have yet to fly it. Now that the BRS is installed I am unable to get the correct CG. > According to the information I have the CG should between 11.5% and 35% of the chord of the wing, in my case the wing chord is 66inches. Which equates to a CG range of 7.5 - 23.1 inches aft datum. However, I'm getting about 28. > I used bathroom scales to measure, but could only get one per wheel to work, I was unable to get two scales per main wheel to work. When I put a board across the two only one scale would notice the weight. > > So my questions are: > Is the CG range and/or the %s used (11.5 and 35) correct ? > > Could the weights be that far off? > Could the bathroom scales be that much of POSs? > The total AF weight from the previous owner's W&B was 601lbs and mine came out to be (on the last weighting as I have done at least 1/2 dozen) was 751lbs. As far as I can tell the previous owner added tundra tires after his last W&B and the weight of the BRS is only 18.6 lbs (which may not include the mounting hardware. But I don't think that adds up to 150lbs. > > Any help, suggestions, or comments would be greatly appreciated. > I really to get in the air! > > Brad Nation > Xtra N952DK > 

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