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1. 07:34 AM - Re: Training Firestar (funnyb0nz)
2. 08:21 AM - Re: Re: Training Firestar (Jack)
3. 08:39 AM - Re: Re: Training Firestar (Jack)
4. 02:14 PM - Re: Re: Training Firestar (pcking)
5. 03:18 PM - Ooops (pcking)
6. 07:47 PM - Re: Kolb Xtra weight. & balance (Colin Hudson)
7. 08:08 PM - Re: Kolb Xtra weight. & balance (Richard Girard)
8. 08:59 PM - Re: Kolb Xtra weight. & balance (Colin Hudson)
9. 11:01 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Training Firestar |
Well thanks for the info. I did a search for taildraggers CFI, and came up with
this site.
http://taildraggersinc.com/category/cfi/oh/#.UiNPuq_D_DA
Looks like I may have someone that is 3.5 hours away. So not too bad I guess. I
will be making a phone call on Tuesday. If anyone knows of anyone that is closer
to Toledo, OH please let me know. I take it that taildraggers is dying breed?
Or is everyone just flying Far103 or illegally now?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407848#407848
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| Subject: | Re: Training Firestar |
On 9/1/2013 10:34 AM, funnyb0nz wrote:
>
> Well thanks for the info. I did a search for taildraggers CFI, and came up with
this site.
> http://taildraggersinc.com/category/cfi/oh/#.UiNPuq_D_DA
>
> Looks like I may have someone that is 3.5 hours away. So not too bad I guess.
I will be making a phone call on Tuesday. If anyone knows of anyone that is closer
to Toledo, OH please let me know. I take it that taildraggers is dying breed?
Or is everyone just flying Far103 or illegally now?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407848#407848
>
> Check out Skypark 15G, 5 miles east of Wadsworth, about an hour closer. (Check
out flyskypark.com) They have two taildrager instructors that I know of.
Also a cessna 140 to rent. The catch is in type.
Jack carillon, FS II Akron oh.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Training Firestar |
On 9/1/2013 11:21 AM, Jack wrote:
>
> On 9/1/2013 10:34 AM, funnyb0nz wrote:
>>
>> Well thanks for the info. I did a search for taildraggers CFI, and
>> came up with this site.
>> http://taildraggersinc.com/category/cfi/oh/#.UiNPuq_D_DA
>>
>> Looks like I may have someone that is 3.5 hours away. So not too bad
>> I guess. I will be making a phone call on Tuesday. If anyone knows of
>> anyone that is closer to Toledo, OH please let me know. I take it
>> that taildraggers is dying breed? Or is everyone just flying Far103
>> or illegally now?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407848#407848
>>
>> Check out Skypark 15G, 5 miles east of Wadsworth, about an hour
>> closer. (Check out flyskypark.com) They have two taildrager
>> instructors that I know of. Also a cessna 140 to rent. The catch is
>> in type.
> Jack carillon, FS II Akron oh.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
> Correction To my post last.
Should have read 5 west of Wadsworth.
> Jack
>
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| Subject: | Re: Training Firestar |
Tony,
I'm glad that you see Assata's agendas. Remember when Matt told you that he
wants you grading and on the floor, not breaking down the truck. In his
terms he shouldn't have had to tell you that. But you don't have the
cultural background of having come up therough the ranks for 20 years.
Assata was OK with that until Kara went to her with a litany of stacker
complaints that you weren't helping them. Then Assata wanted you to get
along with the staff.
Now she checks your work every day before you clock out and gives you more
stacker work to do.
Assata wants you to see yourself as a super stacker in her store, and not as
a PM elsewhere. She doesn't want you to quit. She doesn't want you to step
down. She just doesn't want you to leave her store. You make her look good.
Matt is sending a very different message. And it wasn't to you. He checked
out Produce and only found a crooked sign, too many flower boxes in the
cooler, clutter in the back room and a sticking fire door. Of those, the
clutter and door were on her, not you. He was telling her that the Produce
department was fine while she had some building issues to take care of. That
could be a counter to her complaints that you weren't ready for a
department.
Lots of agendas out there.
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "funnyb0nz" <dan_eshman@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 10:34 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Training Firestar
>
> Well thanks for the info. I did a search for taildraggers CFI, and came up
> with this site.
> http://taildraggersinc.com/category/cfi/oh/#.UiNPuq_D_DA
>
> Looks like I may have someone that is 3.5 hours away. So not too bad I
> guess. I will be making a phone call on Tuesday. If anyone knows of anyone
> that is closer to Toledo, OH please let me know. I take it that
> taildraggers is dying breed? Or is everyone just flying Far103 or
> illegally now?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407848#407848
>
>
>
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Ooops,
Sorry. I have no idea how I sent this email to the Kolb List.
My bad,
PCKing
----- Original Message -----
From: "pcking" <pc.king@comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Training Firestar
>
>
> Tony,
>
> I'm glad that you see Assata's agendas. Remember when Matt told you that
> he wants you grading and on the floor, not breaking down the truck. In his
> terms he shouldn't have had to tell you that. But you don't have the
> cultural background of having come up therough the ranks for 20 years.
> Assata was OK with that until Kara went to her with a litany of stacker
> complaints that you weren't helping them. Then Assata wanted you to get
> along with the staff.
>
> Now she checks your work every day before you clock out and gives you more
> stacker work to do.
>
> Assata wants you to see yourself as a super stacker in her store, and not
> as a PM elsewhere. She doesn't want you to quit. She doesn't want you to
> step down. She just doesn't want you to leave her store. You make her look
> good.
>
> Matt is sending a very different message. And it wasn't to you. He checked
> out Produce and only found a crooked sign, too many flower boxes in the
> cooler, clutter in the back room and a sticking fire door. Of those, the
> clutter and door were on her, not you. He was telling her that the Produce
> department was fine while she had some building issues to take care of.
> That could be a counter to her complaints that you weren't ready for a
> department.
>
> Lots of agendas out there.
>
> Peter
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "funnyb0nz" <dan_eshman@hotmail.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 10:34 AM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Training Firestar
>
>
>>
>> Well thanks for the info. I did a search for taildraggers CFI, and came
>> up with this site.
>> http://taildraggersinc.com/category/cfi/oh/#.UiNPuq_D_DA
>>
>> Looks like I may have someone that is 3.5 hours away. So not too bad I
>> guess. I will be making a phone call on Tuesday. If anyone knows of
>> anyone that is closer to Toledo, OH please let me know. I take it that
>> taildraggers is dying breed? Or is everyone just flying Far103 or
>> illegally now?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407848#407848
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Xtra weight. & balance |
Brad I got my builders manual for my Mark 3 X-tra out and your numbers are
a little off, close but off. Your mixing your % and inches. This is what
my manual states. The chord of an airfoil is the straight line distance
from the leading edge to the trailing edge. Our wings have a flat bottom
surface so the chord is measured along it. The average wing chord is 58"
(You stated yours was 66", quite a difference.) and the airplane will be
safe to fly if the center of gravity is between 20% and 35% of the wing
chord as measured from datum (the leading edge). 20% chord is 11.6" aft of
the leading edge and 35% chord is 20.3". The airplane is in balance if the
CG falls between 11.6 and 20.3" aft of the leading edge of the wing. For
reference the mounting tab on the wing root for the main spar is 18" aft of
the leading edge. You said your empty weight came out to be 751. My
Mark3Xtra with a Jabiru engine and canister BRS has an empty weight of 567
lbs. The canister system weight may be a little more than the VLS, it
weighs 21 lbs 4 oz. Here's what my manual says about weighing your
aircraft:
The weight and balance can be done in one weighing if you have two high
capacity scales and a bathroom scale or five bathroom scales (two for each
main wheel and one for the tail). This is the easiest and you are less
likely to make a mistake. When using two scales for each main wheel,
bridge them with a board and pace the wheel in the center. Add both scale
readins together and subtract the weight of the board from your totals. If
you are limited to three scales or less, block up the wheel(s) not on the
scales as needed to level the airplane and read the weight one wheel at a
time.
The basis weight and balance equation is Weight X Distance = Moment
1. Weigh each wheel
2. Multiply each wheel weight by its distance from the datum point.
3. Add the three resulting moments together.
4, Divide the resultant moment by the total empty weigh (the sum of the
readings of all scales.) This will give the distance of the center of
gravity (CG) from the datum.
I know this is a little lengthy, but hope it helps you some.
Colin
Colin S. Hudson
A&P/ ATP
N424AL
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Dennis Rowe <rowedenny@windstream.net>wrote:
>
> Without good scales you are pissing into the wind, both those weights
> sound high, my Mk3 weighs 475 pounds but I really built it light and have a
> light two stroke engine, I guess the Xtra have a lot more bells and
> whistles. I hope to add some weight to it in the form of a 912 engine
> someday.
>
> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
>
>
> On Aug 31, 2013, at 9:29 PM, <nationcap@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > I have recently purchased a Kolb Xtra and have installed a BRS on it. I
> had to jump through a few hurdles and have yet to fly it. Now that the BRS
> is installed I am unable to get the correct CG.
> > According to the information I have the CG should between 11.5% and 35%
> of the chord of the wing, in my case the wing chord is 66inches. Which
> equates to a CG range of 7.5 - 23.1 inches aft datum. However, I'm getting
> about 28.
> > I used bathroom scales to measure, but could only get one per wheel to
> work, I was unable to get two scales per main wheel to work. When I put a
> board across the two only one scale would notice the weight.
> >
> > So my questions are:
> > Is the CG range and/or the %s used (11.5 and 35) correct ?
> >
> > Could the weights be that far off?
> > Could the bathroom scales be that much of POSs?
> > The total AF weight from the previous owner's W&B was 601lbs and mine
> came out to be (on the last weighting as I have done at least 1/2 dozen)
> was 751lbs. As far as I can tell the previous owner added tundra tires
> after his last W&B and the weight of the BRS is only 18.6 lbs (which may
> not include the mounting hardware. But I don't think that adds up to 150lbs.
> >
> > Any help, suggestions, or comments would be greatly appreciated.
> > I really to get in the air!
> >
> > Brad Nation
> > Xtra N952DK
> > <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">
> >
> >
> > </b></font></pre>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Xtra weight. & balance |
Brad, First, did you put the airplane into the proper configuration when
you weighed and measured. The bottom of the wing S/B at 9 degrees. While
not having it set properly won't throw off the weight too much, it will
throw off your measurements.
635 to 650 lb. is in range for an "X", 750 is not. If you must weigh with
one scale, use a block under the other main while you weigh first one, then
the other. Otherwise take it to you're nearest FBO or check with your local
EAA chapter.
Good luck
Rick Girard
do not archive
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 8:29 PM, <nationcap@comcast.net> wrote:
> I have recently purchased a Kolb Xtra and have installed a BRS on it. I
> had to jump through a few hurdles and have yet to fly it. Now that the BRS
> is installed I am unable to get the correct CG.
> According to the information I have the CG should between 11.5% and 35% of
> the chord of the wing, in my case the wing chord is 66inches. Which equates
> to a CG range of 7.5 - 23.1 inches aft datum. However, I'm getting about 28.
> I used bathroom scales to measure, but could only get one per wheel to
> work, I was unable to get two scales per main wheel to work. When I put a
> board across the two only one scale would notice the weight.
>
> So my questions are:
> Is the CG range and/or the %s used (11.5 and 35) correct ?
>
> Could the weights be that far off?
> Could the bathroom scales be that much of POSs?
> The total AF weight from the previous owner's W&B was 601lbs and mine came
> out to be (on the last weighting as I have done at least 1/2 dozen) was
> 751lbs. As far as I can tell the previous owner added tundra tires after
> his last W&B and the weight of the BRS is only 18.6 lbs (which may not
> include the mounting hardware. But I don't think that adds up to 150lbs.
>
> Any help, suggestions, or comments would be greatly appreciated.
> I really to get in the air!
>
> Brad Nation
> Xtra N952DK
> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List</a>
> http://forums.matronics.com</a>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution</a>
>
> </b></font></pre>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Xtra weight. & balance |
Brad something else I forgot to mention earlier. I've used bathroom scales in
the past and you have to find their pressure points. You can't just lay a board
across them. Put a chunk of 2x4 on the spot where the scales read accurate
then run you board across the two scales. Just remember to subtract you total
board weight, this is known as Tare weight.
Colin Hudson
N424AL
Mark3Xtra
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 31, 2013, at 9:00 PM, Dennis Rowe <rowedenny@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> Without good scales you are pissing into the wind, both those weights sound high,
my Mk3 weighs 475 pounds but I really built it light and have a light two
stroke engine, I guess the Xtra have a lot more bells and whistles. I hope to
add some weight to it in the form of a 912 engine someday.
>
> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
>
>
>
> On Aug 31, 2013, at 9:29 PM, <nationcap@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I have recently purchased a Kolb Xtra and have installed a BRS on it. I had
to jump through a few hurdles and have yet to fly it. Now that the BRS is installed
I am unable to get the correct CG.
>> According to the information I have the CG should between 11.5% and 35% of the
chord of the wing, in my case the wing chord is 66inches. Which equates to
a CG range of 7.5 - 23.1 inches aft datum. However, I'm getting about 28.
>> I used bathroom scales to measure, but could only get one per wheel to work,
I was unable to get two scales per main wheel to work. When I put a board across
the two only one scale would notice the weight.
>>
>> So my questions are:
>> Is the CG range and/or the %s used (11.5 and 35) correct ?
>>
>> Could the weights be that far off?
>> Could the bathroom scales be that much of POSs?
>> The total AF weight from the previous owner's W&B was 601lbs and mine came out
to be (on the last weighting as I have done at least 1/2 dozen) was 751lbs.
As far as I can tell the previous owner added tundra tires after his last W&B
and the weight of the BRS is only 18.6 lbs (which may not include the mounting
hardware. But I don't think that adds up to 150lbs.
>>
>> Any help, suggestions, or comments would be greatly appreciated.
>> I really to get in the air!
>>
>> Brad Nation
>> Xtra N952DK
>> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">
>>
>>
>> </b></font></pre>
>
>
>
>
>
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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