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1. 04:41 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: (Dennis Rowe)
2. 06:31 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 09/08/13 (Bob Green)
3. 07:02 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: (Gary Aman)
4. 09:32 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Xtra weight. & balance (Richard Girard)
5. 06:41 PM - Re: covered canopy (funnyb0nz)
6. 06:45 PM - Re: Couple question (funnyb0nz)
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: |
Don't forget height, with a two blade prop a little over 7' should do it, if you
have three blades you'll need close to 8'.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
On Sep 8, 2013, at 10:23 PM, Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Bob,
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> You're going to need at least 24' long and probably every inch of 7' 6" wide,
inside measurements.
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> Mike
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> On Sep 8, 2013, at 9:20 PM, "Bob Green" <bgreen@bimi.org> wrote:
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>> Hello Kolbers:
>> Can anyone tell me the required inside width and length of a trailer in which
to haul a MKIIIX with the wings attached and in the folded position?
>> Thank you all for any and all information and suggestions.
>> Bob
>> MKIIIX with GPAS VW
>> N830PB
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| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 09/08/13 |
Thanks Mike W.
Bob
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Time: 07:23:45 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb-List Digest:
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
Bob,
You're going to need at least 24' long and probably every inch of 7' 6" wide,
inside measurements.
Mike
On Sep 8, 2013, at 9:20 PM, "Bob Green" <bgreen@bimi.org> wrote:
> Hello Kolbers:
> Can anyone tell me the required inside width and length of a trailer
> in which
to haul a MKIIIX with the wings attached and in the folded position?
> Thank you all for any and all information and suggestions.
> Bob
> MKIIIX with GPAS VW
> N830PB
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: |
Bob
My call hauler trailer,a 24ft unit,modified by raising the roof 1 foot and
v nosing the front,an extra 30 inches approx, has 82 in. between the wheel
wells.my MK3C wheels with the special nuts for wheel pants fit between the
wells.I have the spring steel gear legs,pretty low to the ground.If the tal
l tubular legs are the same width you'd be OK.I have close to 2ft extra len
gth loaded.The kicker is the inside door height when you are loading.I have
hauled a MK3C /912 3blade with the tall new tubular gear legs and it was c
lose to the blade tips.I use a boom cradle on casters which also makes the
engine higher when coming up the ramp,but it travels in the cradle and the
cradle gives some leading edge clearance when loading.
G.Aman MK3C Jabiru 2200 840hrs sensenich 2blade over 15,000 trailer
ed miles
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Green <bgreen@bimi.org>
Sent: Sun, Sep 8, 2013 10:18 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb-List Digest:
Hello Kolbers:
Can anyone tell me the required inside width and length of a trailer in wh
ich
to haul a MKIIIX with the wings attached and in the folded position?
Thank you all for any and all information and suggestions.
Bob
MKIIIX with GPAS VW
N830PB
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Xtra weight. & balance |
Brad, When I was working on 125KP Travis told me that the average "X" came
in at an empty weight of 650 lb. As I recall 125KP was 655 lb. when I put
it on a weight reduction plan and I was able to get it down to 615. That
was a 582 powered airplane. Add 35 to 40 lb. for the 912 and you're back up
in the 660 lb weight range.
The wing chord includes the flaps, i.e. it is 66".
Rick
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Brad Nation <nationcap@comcast.net> wrote:
> I guess I didn't understand the process. I crunched some numbers using my
> weight as the pilot weight and indeed it brought the CG within range. As I
> didn't have the correct ARM I'll be heading out to the hanger to get the
> real measurements and go from there.
>
> Thanks for the visual aid spread sheet.
>
> I measured the bottom of the wing including the flap to be 66", w/o flap,
> 50". I looked at the builder's notes and his wing measurements are the
> same. Looking back at my post yes I did mix up the inches and %. (Probably
> didn't help doing the typing on my iPhone. )
> My Xtra has a Rotax 912 80 hp, BRS VLS ( it weights 18.6 lbs), tundra
> tires, basic instruments, nothing out of the ordinary, as far as I can tell
> from my limited experience with Xtras, so I agree that the weight is high.
> The question is why, we're the scales crappy, was I maxing out the scales,
> did I weigh it incorrectly, or does it really weigh that much.
> When I weighed it I raised the tail so that the wing trailing edge was 7.5
> inches lower than he leading edge. I lowered the wheels onto the scales vs.
> rolling onto them. I repeated the process for each wheel at least 4 times
> until I got a couple consistent weights on each wheel.
>
> It seems that I need to go and remeasure and get an accurate higher
> capacity set of scales.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> Brad
>
> On Sep 2, 2013, at 15:00, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dang it, hit return before I was ready. Attached is the spread sheet for
> an Xtra. Put 0 into pilot weight in the last section and you'll see the CG
> is too far aft. You must figure in the pilot weight at some minimum to get
> the CG into range.
>
> Rick
>
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> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Brad, Okay, I don't understand what you're saying here. Are you worried
>> that the empty CG is too far aft? If that's the case you don't understand
>> the process.
>> You HAVE to know the arm to the pilot seat. With that info you can then
>> calculate the minimum pilot weight, in order to get the CG into the aft end
>> of it's range, and maximum pilot and passenger weight to keep the CG from
>> running out the forward end of the range.
>> Consider the Blanik L-13 sailplane. It's empty CG is at 78% of chord. Put
>> a 150 lb pilot into the front seat and the loaded CG comes into the aft end
>> of the range.
>>
>> Rick Girard
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:45 AM, <nationcap@comcast.net> wrote:
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>>> If I add me to the weight then I'm not calculating the empty weight and
>>> the CG be off, even though it's not within range now which is the problem.
>>> I haven't measured the arm for the seats so I don't know how much off it
>>> will be. But just looking at it it looks like the seats are pretty close to
>>> the datum point.
>>>
>>> I tried to using regular scales but they were very inaccurate , I
>>> lastly used two digital bathroom scales with a 2x6 but I could only get one
>>> of the scales to register.
>>> At first I rolled onto the scales but I wasn't confident in the reading
>>> that I started over and lowered the wheels onto the scales. But even then I
>>> was getting inconsistent readings.
>>> So for now the weight seems heavy with an aft out of range CG. As for
>>> adding the pilot to the basic equation, I'll crunch some numbers and see if
>>> that might make a difference.
>>>
>>> Thanks shine for all the input.
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>> Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App so there may be some typos.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: racerjerry
>>> To: kolb-list
>>> Sent: September 2, 2013, 8:32
>>> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Xtra weight. & balance
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh; remember to put your ass in seat before weighing. I am afraid that
>>> you will need someone else to read the scales. With my lighter Firestar
>>> II, I purchased 3 flat top $10 bath scales from Walmart and had no trouble
>>> at all with weighing.
>>>
>>> Especially when using bathroom scales, you need to take care not to side
>>> load the scales or it will distort readings. What I did was pick up one
>>> main wheel and gently lay it back down on the scale. This keeps a toe
>>> error from causing a side load when rolling on to the scales (changing
>>> distance between main wheels).
>>>
>>> I am sure you can get one of your local stock car guys interested enough
>>> in your project to pay a visit and bring along their digital scales; the
>>> scales are very portable and easily set up. A cold case of beer can work
>>> wonders with racers; just make sure it comes out afterwards.
>>>
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>> --
>> Zulu Delta
>> Mk IIIC
>> Thanks, Homer GBYM
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>> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be
>> unhappy.
>> - Groucho Marx
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> Zulu Delta
> Mk IIIC
> Thanks, Homer GBYM
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> It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
> - Groucho Marx
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Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
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| Subject: | Re: covered canopy |
Well I did buy it, long day but it does have 7 ribs. Wathced the guy fly it, really
clean machine. Well documented from previous owners. The windshield does
go up to wings, be nice for some doors for the winter. maybe I will have to get
creative or ask to see some of other members pics to get ideas.
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| Subject: | Re: Couple question |
Hey guys, I am now the new owner of a KXP, it did have 7 ribs, that is one thing
the old owner told me. He actually told me about this forum. I am sure I will
have many questions. So if anyone has pics of a full enclosure that I could
see to get some ideas, that would be greatly appreciated. Want to have it ready
for winter flying, but also like to take the doors off for spring/summer flying.
What is best to use to clean the material of the kxp, it needs a nice bath and
would like to detail it up so looks really nice before I get trained to fly it.
Thanks!
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