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Tue 09/24/13


Total Messages Posted: 4



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     1. 02:22 AM - Re: Re: New Firefly Video (Pat Ladd)
     2. 06:47 AM - Re: New Firefly Video (Rex Rodebush)
     3. 05:35 PM - Stuck in Baker City, Oregon (TheWanderingWench)
     4. 08:05 PM - Re: Training Firestar (funnyb0nz)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:22:48 AM PST US
    From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: New Firefly Video
    I think I read somewhere that the never exceed speed for the firefly was 80 mph so a ground speed of 70 is fine with me.>> Sounds as though there is some confusion here. In the fist place `I think I read somewhere.." is not good enough. Find out the real figure. Never Exceed speed is IMPORTANT. BUT!. That is your AIRSPEED . Your speed over the ground has no relevance. Consider 50 on the clock plus 50 on the tail is 100 over the ground. 50 on the nose and you will go nowhere. Stresses and strains on the a/c (which is what limiting speed is all about) are those associated with 50 airspeed. These are the same no matter what the wind is doing. Very nice video. Pat


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    Time: 06:47:47 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: New Firefly Video
    From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush@gmail.com>
    Pat, Just curious. What was you stall speed with and without V.G.'s? Rex Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409126#409126


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    Time: 05:35:31 PM PST US
    From: TheWanderingWench <thewanderingwench@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Stuck in Baker City, Oregon
    Hi all,=0A=0AYou know we were hoping to fly out Saturday, but rain and low ceilings prevented that. Monday morning didn't look great either, but we ke pt checking the weather and the ceiling in the Columbia River Gorge, (that bisects the Cascade mountain range,) and by noon we decided to try it. We f igured we could always turn around and come home. The ceiling was about 230 0- 2500' - lower than I like for flying the Gorge, but we wanted to see if it would lift as we flew. (How's that for hopefulness?)-=0A=0AAs we flew towards the Columbia, I was @ 1700' MSL and radio'ed Bob that if the ceilin g didn't lift by the time we turned east up the Gorge, I was going to turn back. As those of you from Oregon know, there's few spots to land as you fl y the Gorge, and 1700' doesn't give you a lot of decision-making time. The ceiling lifted slowly, and by the time we were at Cascade Locks (30 miles i nto the Gorge) it was up to 3000', and I was flying @ 2500'. Good, but not great. Looking east beyond Cascade Locks, I couldn't see beyond a bend in t he river, but it looked like clouds down lower than we were. Bob sprinted a head in his Titan and reported that the ceiling was actually lifting! So we continued on as the ceiling continued to lift. By the time we got to Hood River - about 3/4 through the Gorge - the ceiling was @ 4000' and at our fi rst refueling spot at The Dalles, Oregon, the ceiling was close to 4500'. O nce we got to The Dalles, we were in eastern Oregon - high desert, sagebrush and windmill turbine-covered hills, large ranches w ith giant irrigation circles, and lots of places to land. There was still a heavy cloud cover, but it was high enough that we were no longer worried. =0A=0AWe had a nice tailwind of about 15-17 mph and my GPS averaged 97 mph over the ground, sometimes getting up as high as 102 mph. Bob said that his highest was 115 mph over the ground. We flew on the north side of the Colu mbia to avoid the restricted airspace around Boardman and Arlington (Oregon .) We left the Columbia @ Hermiston and passed Pendleton, winging our way o ver the Blue Mountains. The Blues aren't very high - maybe 4000' at the top peaks - and as you follow Interstate 84 there is also a road paralleling t he freeway that I was pretty sure I could land on if I had to. But flying o ver those ravines and forests in the Blues made me subconsciously keep pull ing back on the stick. Altitude is safety! Soon I was at 5500' and when I r ealized what I was doing, I leveled out and stayed at that altitude. The ce iling was at 7000' but it felt lower, as the dark grey clouds were a contin uous blanket above us.=0A=0AWe landed at Baker City without any trouble at 4:45 p.m. Bob was willing to press on to Ontario - another 71 miles - but s unset was about 6:30 p.m. and I don't like to set up my tent in the dark. S o we set up our tents on the lawn on the FBO and borrowed the courtesy car to go into town for dinner.=0A=0AToday - Tuesday - has not been a flying da y. Although we could have flown out of Baker City this morning, there were low ceilings and rain along our entire route. And the Elkhorn mountains are nothing I want to get caught in with low ceilings. The highest peak is 700 0' and the terrain is really inhospitable. I want to be HIGH over the Elkho rns. So we've been relaxing at the FBO, borrowing the courtesy car to wande r around downtown Baker City, and trying to relax while checking the radar every 20 or 30 minutes!=0A=0AKeep an eye on my SPOT - hopefully we'll be ab le to fly out tomorrow and continue on our journey.-=0A=0Ahttp://share.fi ndmespot.com/shared/gogl.jsp?glId=0j61d1nv67p9JS1b9PcrXbpphQ5YVWYgJ-=0A =0A=0A-Arty=0ATalon Typhoon=0ASandy, Oregon=0A=0Awww.LessonsFromTheEdge.c om/uladventure2009.htm=0A=0A=0A"Life's a daring adventure or nothing"=0AHel en Keller=0A=0A=0A"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely a t death."


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    Time: 08:05:24 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Training Firestar
    From: "funnyb0nz" <dan_eshman@hotmail.com>
    Well I started my training at Red Stewart Airfield in Waynesville, OH in a champ. Cost for plane with fuel and instructor is close to 100. Per hour. My question is how different will the Kolb be to fly than the champ? Wish I knew someone near me with a 2seater Kolb to take me up. So how did the majority of you train or transition to the Kolb? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409166#409166




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