---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/27/13: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:28 AM - Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Coming Soon! (Matt Dralle) 1. 05:56 AM - Re: New Gear Legs (Richard Pike) 2. 06:35 AM - Kolb-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 11/26/13 (Bob Green) 3. 06:41 AM - Re: Re: New Gear Legs (John Hauck) 4. 06:52 AM - Re: Re: New Gear Legs (David Kulp) 5. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: New Gear Legs, (b young) 6. 09:44 AM - new gear legs (b young) 7. 03:07 PM - Introducing myself--help needed. (lownslow) 8. 03:37 PM - Re: Introducing myself--help needed. (Dennis Rowe) 9. 05:47 PM - Kolb Mk3 POH/checklist (Dennis Rowe) 10. 06:27 PM - Re: Kolb Mk3 POH/checklist (lownslow) 11. 07:37 PM - Re: Introducing myself--help needed. (Charlie England) 12. 09:22 PM - Re: Introducing myself--help needed. (lownslow) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:28:47 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kolb-List: Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Coming Soon! Dear Listers, There's just a few more days left in this year's List Fund Raiser and that means the List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! In December I post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists. Its my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a minute to show their appreciation for the Lists. Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming LOC? Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. 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I have a tubing bender - or did you slip a pipe over the axles and armstrong it? -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414320#414320 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:50 AM PST US From: Bob Green Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 11/26/13 Boyd, How did you bend the legs/axles to get the result you wanted? Bob MKIIIX N830PB ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:26 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: New Gear Legs The pictures make perfect sense, thanks for that. How did you bend the gear legs a little at a time until you got the desired toe in? I have a tubing bender - or did you slip a pipe over the axles and armstrong it? -------- Richard Pike I've had good luck bending with a long section of water pipe slipped over the axle. Of course you have to support the main gear where you want to make the correction. Happy Thanksgiving to all the Kolbers out there. You all are a special family of special builders and flyers. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:36 AM PST US From: David Kulp Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New Gear Legs Happy Thanksgiving to you, too, John, and to all the other Kolb drivers and lurkers on the list. If we look around to other parts of the world, it's clear that we really do have a lot to be thankful for. God has been good to us. Dave Kulp Bethlehem, PA FireFly 11DMK Do Not Archive On 11/27/2013 9:41 AM, John Hauck wrote: > > > > The pictures make perfect sense, thanks for that. How did you bend the gear > legs a little at a time until you got the desired toe in? I have a tubing > bender - or did you slip a pipe over the axles and armstrong it? > > -------- > Richard Pike > > > > I've had good luck bending with a long section of water pipe slipped over > the axle. Of course you have to support the main gear where you want to > make the correction. > > Happy Thanksgiving to all the Kolbers out there. You all are a special > family of special builders and flyers. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:05 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New Gear Legs, Richard and others my son bought a pipe / tube bender so he could fabricate roll cages for his and friends jeeps he has fabricated bunk beds for the kids, it is a hea vy duty bender,,, it is floor mounted with 4, 1/2 inch bolts into concr ete. it has replaceable dies that fit in the center and on the moveable a rm that fit the diameter of the material you are bending. there is also a plate that is marked in degrees that can be rotated to any position, it ha s a little friction plate so it stays put while you are bending. and it h as a fixed pointer that hovers over the degree plate. after placing t he gear in the bender at the position needed to correct the problems. I ad just the degree plate to zero under the pointer, then proceed to bend. be cause it is spring steel. you have to try in small increments then relax and see if the steel has bent or only sprung then returned to normal. it seems that I had to take the gear to 10 to 12 degrees past where I wanted it to be in order to get the gear to bend, anything less than that and it w ould spring back to the starting point. 1/4 to 1/2 would have been conside red a very large bend.... most of the bends I did was under a quarter of a deg. while trying, I would pull the bender to increasing number of d egrees past where I needed it to be. and then relax in between. until it did not return all the way to zero on the pointer and plate. the increasin g number would increase by very small amounts, once I kind of figured out how much past I needed to go... it was quicker on subsequent bends as I k new where permanent change to the gear would start to happen... so I coul d sneak up on the amount of movement needed quicker in order to get the ben d I wanted. finally when I got to the end and I figured I needed 1/10t h of 1 deg it was tricky, that is not a lot of bend,,, and if you go to far, you have to bend it back..... every time I would get noticeable chan ge in the gear, I would re install and measure again,,, when I was close I would then take it for a hi speed taxi or short flight to see how it turn ed out. the gear comes out of the gear socket down to a bend just where th e brake mounts, and the wheel fits on.... I did all the bends in the 6 in ches or so just up from the factory bend. where the steel was small in dia meter in comparison to the area just outside of the gear socket. in my humble opinion... the factory bend, at least in my gear was too much , when I had the plane on stands and was installing the gear, the camber a ngle of the wheels looked real good. when I put the weight of the cage on the gear it still looked good. but when I mounted the 912, the gear starte d looking squatty. and when me and a passenger got in,,, the gear looked a s if I had landed too hard and bent the gear. when I got finished, I could take off and land without the oscillations fore and aft that would give a jackhammer ride. and I could inflate the t ires without the plane wanting to veer all over the runway. all the measurements were made with the wheels on a grease plate, I was t oo cheap to buy aluminum plates to put grease in between.... so I used som e pieces of floor tile. if I rolled the wheel on the floor tile... someti mes it would break off the edges of the tile... so I had to jack up the wh eel and place the floor tile under the wheel. it was amazing how much mov ement there is in the gear with the wheel on the grease plate. don =99t try the adjustments with the wheel on the floor, there is too much f riction and it would be extremely hard if not impossible to get where you w ant to be. if I was going to install gear again.... I would use the strait edge metho d with a carpenter square with both wheels on grease plates. to keep the g ear from going too far into the gear sockets, I would put in a piece of woo d dowel in the gear socket followed by the gear. I would do all this with the engine mounted, and a hundred pound of wheat in both seats. I am going to my sons for thanks giving, and could take pictures of his pi pe bender if you would like. boyd young -----Original Message----- From: Richard Pike Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:56 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Gear Legs The pictures make perfect sense, thanks for that. How did you bend the gea r legs a little at a time until you got the desired toe in? I have a tubing bender - or did you slip a pipe over the axles and armstrong it? -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414320#414320 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protec tion is active. http://www.avast.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:44:36 AM PST US From: "b young" Subject: Kolb-List: new gear legs Richard and others I just visited Google and did a search on pipe benders, my son=99s pipe bender looks very similar to this one, but his has two of the saw tooth ratchet arms, one arm is fixed and the other attaches to the actuati ng arm. they are set up so with one pull of the actuating arm you only move things one tooth,, but with the second arm... you can hold tension on the piece while you moved the primary arm to a new notch , then pull again. as I remember he told me that it would bend up to 1 1/2 inch solid steel r od. I cant see the fixed pointer in this photo. but it lines up just above the bottom plate marked off in degrees. boyd --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protec tion is active. http://www.avast.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:07:36 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Introducing myself--help needed. From: "lownslow" Hi friends, I am the recent new owner of a Mk IIIC project that I am in the process of completing, so I want to introduce myself to this list and say hi! I am in Colorado Springs and am installing a Rotax Rick 670 due to the higher field elevations out here. (I was very interested in the post I just read on the 670, posted earlier this month). Being a newbie, I feel I have lot's to learn, and remain very "teachable". I hope to have the project flying within the next 3 to 6 months. 22 years of Air Force flying, laid it to rest for a number of years and now have the itch again! I'm excited about the aircraft and about the community that I find here. Seems everyone is really enjoying the flying and the commeraderie. How many of you are flying Kolbs in the mountains--just curious what advice you may have. Has anyone put together a POH of sorts? I am unaware of anything available through Kolb, but maybe I'm wrong about that? (I'm guessing most people put something together as a result of their Phase I test period but it would be nice to have a starting point.) The critical question: I have most photos from the previous owner builder's log but he was unable to locate pictures of the early construction of the cage and tail boom. I'm wondering if it might be possible to replace those with some generic pictures to complete my builder's log. My aircraft has a white painted cage structure. I would be very grateful. thanks so much Mike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414361#414361 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:37:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Introducing myself--help needed. From: Dennis Rowe Welcome aboard Mike, Will be interested in following your progress on your Mk 3. Also look forward to learning more about your engine installation. You will want to get some dual in a Mk-3 or a Kolbra to adjust yourself to the low inertia high drag world we Kolbers operate in. Our birds may be slow, but things happen fast in them. Enjoy your project, and enjoy the list. If you check the archives we had a thread recently on the POH, I believe I posted pics of the front and back of the checklist sheet I made for my bird. Also got some solid suggestions for adjustments to it. If you can't find it, hopefully someone better at using the archives can dig it up. ;-) Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 2SI690L-70, Leechburg, PA > On Nov 27, 2013, at 6:07 PM, "lownslow" wrote: > > > Hi friends, I am the recent new owner of a Mk IIIC project that I am in the process of completing, so I want to introduce myself to this list and say hi! I am in Colorado Springs and am installing a Rotax Rick 670 due to the higher field elevations out here. (I was very interested in the post I just read on the 670, posted earlier this month). Being a newbie, I feel I have lot's to learn, and remain very "teachable". I hope to have the project flying within the next 3 to 6 months. > > 22 years of Air Force flying, laid it to rest for a number of years and now have the itch again! I'm excited about the aircraft and about the community that I find here. Seems everyone is really enjoying the flying and the commeraderie. > > How many of you are flying Kolbs in the mountains--just curious what advice you may have. > > Has anyone put together a POH of sorts? I am unaware of anything available through Kolb, but maybe I'm wrong about that? (I'm guessing most people put something together as a result of their Phase I test period but it would be nice to have a starting point.) > > The critical question: I have most photos from the previous owner builder's log but he was unable to locate pictures of the early construction of the cage and tail boom. I'm wondering if it might be possible to replace those with some generic pictures to complete my builder's log. My aircraft has a white painted cage structure. I would be very grateful. > > thanks so much > > Mike > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414361#414361 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:08 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Mk3 POH/checklist From: Dennis Rowe Mike, Here is the front and back sides of my laminated sheets. These passed my air worthiness inspection as a POH. My engine is single ignition so you will hav e to edit in your dual ignition check, and you may not want to turn on your E IS (if you use one) until after the engine is started to avoid inductive spi kes from the starter motor and solenoid coil that could harm your electronic s. I hope this helps. Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:47 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Mk3 POH/checklist From: "lownslow" awesome! thanks Denny! I appreciate it Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414368#414368 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:00 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Introducing myself--help needed. On 11/27/2013 5:07 PM, lownslow wrote: > > Hi friends, I am the recent new owner of a Mk IIIC project that I am in the process of completing, so I want to introduce myself to this list and say hi! I am in Colorado Springs and am installing a Rotax Rick 670 due to the higher field elevations out here. (I was very interested in the post I just read on the 670, posted earlier this month). Being a newbie, I feel I have lot's to learn, and remain very "teachable". I hope to have the project flying within the next 3 to 6 months. > > 22 years of Air Force flying, laid it to rest for a number of years and now have the itch again! I'm excited about the aircraft and about the community that I find here. Seems everyone is really enjoying the flying and the commeraderie. > > How many of you are flying Kolbs in the mountains--just curious what advice you may have. > > Has anyone put together a POH of sorts? I am unaware of anything available through Kolb, but maybe I'm wrong about that? (I'm guessing most people put something together as a result of their Phase I test period but it would be nice to have a starting point.) > > The critical question: I have most photos from the previous owner builder's log but he was unable to locate pictures of the early construction of the cage and tail boom. I'm wondering if it might be possible to replace those with some generic pictures to complete my builder's log. My aircraft has a white painted cage structure. I would be very grateful. > > thanks so much > > Mike Did the previous builder keep notes during that phase of the build? Pics aren't required. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:11 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Introducing myself--help needed. From: "lownslow" wow, didn't know that..... that's good news; the builder kept good notes in a word document that I was going to upload into kitlog pro, but I'm wondering if that's worth my time thanks! 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