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Thu 11/28/13


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     1. 05:06 AM - Re: Introducing myself--help needed. (Richard Pike)
     2. 08:31 AM - Re: Introducing myself--help needed. (b young)
     3. 02:56 PM - Re: Introducing myself--help needed. (Charlie England)
     4. 04:05 PM - Re: Introducing myself--help needed. (Larry Cottrell)
     5. 04:56 PM - Re: Introducing myself--help needed. (herb)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:06:30 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Introducing myself--help needed.
    From: "Richard Pike" <richard@bcchapel.org>
    lownslow wrote: > wow, didn't know that..... > > that's good news; the builder kept good notes in a word document that I was going to upload into kitlog pro, but I'm wondering if that's worth my time > > thanks! If they are in Word, hit print and put them in a binder. That is more than enough documentation. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) richard (at) bcchapel(dot)org Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414385#414385


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    Time: 08:31:47 AM PST US
    From: "b young" <byoungplumbing@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Introducing myself--help needed.
    then on the other hand..... I did not take notes,,,, my builders log was photos only..... I suppose that if the inspector wanted notes,,, I could have put a caption at the bottom of each photo. I had it inspected in my driveway, and he could see the photos were indeed of the inside of my shop. and the delivery of kits was indeed my driveway. maybe I dodged a bullet. boyd do not archive > > The critical question: I have most photos from the previous owner > builder's log but he was unable to locate pictures of the early > construction of the cage and tail boom. I'm wondering if it might be > possible to replace those with some generic pictures to complete my > builder's log. My aircraft has a white painted cage structure. I would > be very grateful. > > thanks so much > > Mike Did the previous builder keep notes during that phase of the build? Pics aren't required. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com


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    Time: 02:56:40 PM PST US
    From: Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Introducing myself--help needed.
    I don't have the rules in front of me, but it basically boils down to having documentation of some sort that the build was for education & recreation (as in: not for hire). The form it takes isn't specified. Some guys have only a web site; some have a book (or a disc) of photos, some have only shop notes. I've made notes with dates & time used in the margins of my RV-7 builder's manual (photos, too, but both aren't actually needed). The big deals are the 'not for hire' for over 50%, to get the airworthiness cert., and convincing the FAA (typically with your documentation) that you did enough of the work & understand the mechanics of the project well enough that they should issue you the repairman's certificate. All this assumes that we're talking about Experimental Amateur Built in the USA. Charlie (BTW, that even applies to flight logs. On a recent flight review, the instructor asked if I'd logged x amount of time for a reason I now forget. I write times into a little spiral notebook that I keep in the plane, but had not updated my pilot's log for years. He said that as long as there's a record, the form doesn't matter.) On 11/28/2013 10:31 AM, b young wrote: > > then on the other hand..... I did not take notes,,,, my builders > log was photos only..... I suppose that if the inspector wanted > notes,,, I could have put a caption at the bottom of each photo. I > had it inspected in my driveway, and he could see the photos were > indeed of the inside of my shop. and the delivery of kits was indeed > my driveway. maybe I dodged a bullet. > > boyd > > do not archive > >> >> The critical question: I have most photos from the previous owner >> builder's log but he was unable to locate pictures of the early >> construction of the cage and tail boom. I'm wondering if it might be >> possible to replace those with some generic pictures to complete my >> builder's log. My aircraft has a white painted cage structure. I >> would be very grateful. >> >> thanks so much >> >> Mike > Did the previous builder keep notes during that phase of the build? Pics > aren't required. > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > >


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    Time: 04:05:16 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Introducing myself--help needed.
    From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
    I suppose that a lot of what is required depends on the examiner. It may have even changed since I had mine in for registration. I had a POH, he didn't even look at it or want it. Builders log was a similar nonevent. The fact that I had one was all he cared about. He was very interested in the safety factor of the build, and not much else. The anticipation of all that could go wrong was much much more than the actual fact. Perhaps you could find someone who had used the guy or the office where the inspection would take place, and get some idea of what to expect. I would suspect that you are much harder on yourself than what the examiner will be. Mine was a paid examiner, not an actual FAA employee. Having all the above in mind I would be as prepared as I could be, but I wouldn't obsess over it. Good Luck Larry On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>wrote: > > I don't have the rules in front of me, but it basically boils down to > having documentation of some sort that the build was for education & > recreation (as in: not for hire). The form it takes isn't specified. Some > guys have only a web site; some have a book (or a disc) of photos, some > have only shop notes. I've made notes with dates & time used in the margins > of my RV-7 builder's manual (photos, too, but both aren't actually needed). > The big deals are the 'not for hire' for over 50%, to get the airworthiness > cert., and convincing the FAA (typically with your documentation) that you > did enough of the work & understand the mechanics of the project well > enough that they should issue you the repairman's certificate. > > All this assumes that we're talking about Experimental Amateur Built in > the USA. > > Charlie > (BTW, that even applies to flight logs. On a recent flight review, the > instructor asked if I'd logged x amount of time for a reason I now forget. > I write times into a little spiral notebook that I keep in the plane, but > had not updated my pilot's log for years. He said that as long as there's a > record, the form doesn't matter.) > > > On 11/28/2013 10:31 AM, b young wrote: > >> >> then on the other hand..... I did not take notes,,,, my builders log >> was photos only..... I suppose that if the inspector wanted notes,,, I >> could have put a caption at the bottom of each photo. I had it inspected >> in my driveway, and he could see the photos were indeed of the inside of >> my shop. and the delivery of kits was indeed my driveway. maybe I dodged >> a bullet. >> >> boyd >> >> do not archive >> >> >>> The critical question: I have most photos from the previous owner >>> builder's log but he was unable to locate pictures of the early >>> construction of the cage and tail boom. I'm wondering if it might be >>> possible to replace those with some generic pictures to complete my >>> builder's log. My aircraft has a white painted cage structure. I would be >>> very grateful. >>> >>> thanks so much >>> >>> Mike >>> >> Did the previous builder keep notes during that phase of the build? Pics >> aren't required. >> >> >> --- >> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus >> protection is active. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.*


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    Time: 04:56:12 PM PST US
    From: herb <herbgh@nctc.com>
    Subject: Re: Introducing myself--help needed.
    I have had the privelage of standing by when an airplane was inspected by an Faa employee....She simply said" did you build it?" "Its experimental...so I guess you did?" "what is it called?" and with that...she did whatever paper work that was required.... The truth was...my bud had no builders log...for he had assembled the plane from two or three projects that he bought along the way... In another situation ..a friend bought a plane and did some finish work...mostly paint and instruments......The airline pilot Dar created some impossible tasks to make the plane certifiable...and after some months ...my bud found another Dar who signed it off in two hours... My impression is...that if the DAR's occupation depends on the good graces of the FAA...then give him a pass and shop for another ...Ask around , they are out there..Herb On 11/28/2013 06:04 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > I suppose that a lot of what is required depends on the examiner. It > may have even changed since I had mine in for registration. I had a > POH, he didn't even look at it or want it. Builders log was a similar > nonevent. The fact that I had one was all he cared about. He was very > interested in the safety factor of the build, and not much else. The > anticipation of all that could go wrong was much much more than the > actual fact. Perhaps you could find someone who had used the guy or > the office where the inspection would take place, and get some idea of > what to expect. I would suspect that you are much harder on yourself > than what the examiner will be. Mine was a paid examiner, not an > actual FAA employee. > > Having all the above in mind I would be as prepared as I could be, but > I wouldn't obsess over it. > > Good Luck > Larry > >




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