---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/29/13: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:54 AM - Just Two Days Left... (Matt Dralle) 1. 07:08 AM - Re: Introducing myself--help needed. (Richard Girard) 2. 09:58 AM - Re: Introducing myself--help needed. (lownslow) 3. 10:34 AM - Re: Introducing myself--help needed. (lownslow) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:54:18 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kolb-List: Just Two Days Left... Dear Listers, There are just a couple days left for this year's List Fund Raiser. If you've been putting off making a Contribution until the last minute, well, this is it! The last minute, that is... :-) There are some GREAT new gift selections to choose from this year. I personally want at least four of them! There's probably something you can't live without too! And, best of all it supports your Lists! Please remember that there isn't any sort of commercial advertising on the Lists and the *only* means of keeping these Lists running is through your Contributions during this Fund Raiser. Let's make this a "Black Friday" for the Lists! Please make a Contribution today! http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Introducing myself--help needed. From: Richard Girard It must be my locality, being so close to the Air Capital of the World, but both the DAR I used for my trike, the Mk 3, and the Firestar, and the FAA inspector who did the Cumulus were all equally thorough. Since I was bringing previously built aircraft into the system under the LSA grandfathering clause of FAR 21.191(i)1 I didn't have to have a builder log, but they each spent about an hour going over the aircraft and another 30 minutes on the paperwork, so it appears the advice to shop around for a DAR is good. Since they charge upwards of $200 just to show up, I'd suggest contacting your local EAA chapter as well as other builders in your area to find a DAR who will give you a thorough inspection without getting hung up in subjective minutae. Rick Girard On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 6:55 PM, herb wrote: > > I have had the privelage of standing by when an airplane was inspected by > an Faa employee....She simply said" did you build it?" "Its > experimental...so I guess you did?" "what is it called?" > > and with that...she did whatever paper work that was required.... The > truth was...my bud had no builders log...for he had assembled the plane > from two or three projects that he bought along the way... > > In another situation ..a friend bought a plane and did some finish > work...mostly paint and instruments......The airline pilot Dar created > some impossible tasks to make the plane certifiable...and after some months > ...my bud found another Dar who signed it off in two hours... > > My impression is...that if the DAR's occupation depends on the good > graces of the FAA...then give him a pass and shop for another ...Ask around > , they are out there..Herb > > > On 11/28/2013 06:04 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > >> I suppose that a lot of what is required depends on the examiner. It may >> have even changed since I had mine in for registration. I had a POH, he >> didn't even look at it or want it. Builders log was a similar nonevent. The >> fact that I had one was all he cared about. He was very interested in the >> safety factor of the build, and not much else. The anticipation of all that >> could go wrong was much much more than the actual fact. Perhaps you could >> find someone who had used the guy or the office where the inspection would >> take place, and get some idea of what to expect. I would suspect that you >> are much harder on yourself than what the examiner will be. Mine was a paid >> examiner, not an actual FAA employee. >> >> Having all the above in mind I would be as prepared as I could be, but I >> wouldn't obsess over it. >> >> Good Luck >> Larry >> >> >> > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:37 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Introducing myself--help needed. From: "lownslow" very helpful thread! thanks for all the discussion! Hope everyone had a great thanksgiving! Mike Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414518#414518 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:34:46 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Introducing myself--help needed. From: "lownslow" Denny mentioned the wisdom in getting some dual in a Kolb, and I agree, a great idea. Does anyone know of a Kolb close to Colorado where I might do that? Or maybe catch someone at a Kolb flyin. I need to find out when those happen. Sun'n Fun would be ideal, but I was hoping to fly mine before then.... Thanks everyone! 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