---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 12/13/13: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:37 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: (Bob Green) 2. 02:35 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: (Dennis Rowe) 3. 02:51 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: (John Hauck) 4. 08:31 PM - Change of plans, part 3 (Dennis Rowe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:37:23 PM PST US From: Bob Green Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: Who are the "they" who short change buyers on fabric? I have dealt with The Millers and have always received prompt service and exactly what I ordered and for what I paid. In all honesty, if they and other providers know someone is just seeking information on amounts of fabric, etc. they probably do not respond as well as they would if a person is serious about purchasing their products. I can not speak for them or anyone but myself, but if my livelihood depended on selling fabric and certain products I would probably respond in a similar manner. They make their living in a very competitive market selling Poli-fiber products. I personally have tried to respect that fact with all the providers with which I deal. Poli-fiber seems costly but I have inspected and worked on other fabric covered planes and am convinced that Poli-fiber will last more than 15-20 years if applied correctly and it is definitely easy to apply, even for those working with fabric for the first time... like I was. Many years ago when I was buying an airplane from a friend I kept prodding him to come down on the price. He reminded me that he could not stay in business if he donated all his time and products, etc. I have nothing but respect for Jim and Dondi... if they are by chance the "they" mentioned. I do not mean to offend anyone and I know that even the greatest vendor drops the ball at some time or another, but they have never dropped it in my case. I had to order more fabric because of a mistake I made and I also used more materials because it was my first fabric job. Just my two cents worth... and it is free. Of course I have been told by some good friends that I don't have enough "cents" (sense) to be givining any away. :) Bob N830PB, MKIII Extra ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:35:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: From: Dennis Rowe I should have chimed in sooner on this. I have had the same experience as Bob with Jim and Dondi Miller. They are true class acts. I look forward to someday soon covering our 48 C-170's wings with products purchased from these fine folks at Aircraft Technical Support. Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA > On Dec 13, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Bob Green wrote: > > > > Who are the "they" who short change buyers on fabric? I have dealt with The Millers and have always received prompt service and exactly what I ordered and for what I paid. > In all honesty, if they and other providers know someone is just seeking information on amounts of fabric, etc. they probably do not respond as well as they would if a person is serious about purchasing their products. I can not speak for them or anyone but myself, but if my livelihood depended on selling fabric and certain products I would probably respond in a similar manner. They make their living in a very competitive market selling Poli-fiber products. I personally have tried to respect that fact with all the providers with which I deal. Poli-fiber seems costly but I have inspected and worked on other fabric covered planes and am convinced that Poli-fiber will last more than 15-20 years if applied correctly and it is definitely easy to apply, even for those working with fabric for the first time... like I was. > > Many years ago when I was buying an airplane from a friend I kept prodding him to come down on the price. He reminded me that he could not stay in business if he donated all his time and products, etc. > I have nothing but respect for Jim and Dondi... if they are by chance the "they" mentioned. I do not mean to offend anyone and I know that even the greatest vendor drops the ball at some time or another, but they have never dropped it in my case. > > I had to order more fabric because of a mistake I made and I also used more materials because it was my first fabric job. > Just my two cents worth... and it is free. Of course I have been told by some good friends that I don't have enough "cents" (sense) to be givining any away. :) > Bob > N830PB, > MKIII Extra > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:30 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: Poli-fiber seems costly but I have inspected and worked on other fabric covered planes and am convinced that Poli-fiber will last more than 15-20 years if applied correctly and it is definitely easy to apply, even for those working with fabric for the first time... like I was. I have nothing but respect for Jim and Dondi... if they are by chance the "they" mentioned. I do not mean to offend anyone and I know that even the greatest vendor drops the ball at some time or another, but they have never dropped it in my case. Bob N830PB, MKIII Extra Bob G/Kolbers: I covered my MKIII 23 years ago with Polyfiber. In 2000, after tearing up a wing aileron, and flap, during a crash at Muncho Lake, BC, Jim and Dondi Miller came to my rescue. They were at the Kolb Homecoming that year, as well as Homer and Clara Kolb. I shared my unsuccessful flight to Alaska with the group of Kolbers attending. At the end of my briefing, Jim Miller stood up and informed me that he and Dondi would provide me with all fabric, paint, and material to recover the wing, aileron, and flap, at no charge. And that also included shipping. I will never forget and will always be grateful for their extreme generosity. With their help, The New Kolb Aircraft, and a few others, I was successful in flying to Point Barrow, Alaska, the following year. I echo Bob Green's sentiments about Jim and Dondi. They have always gone out of their way to help all of their customers that I am aware of. And one thing for sure. You will always get a tremendous hug from Dondi. She is a exceptionally good hugger. By the way, the fabric on my right wing, aileron, flap, rudder, horizontal stabilizer, and fuselage are original 1991 fabric and paint. The left wing, aileron, flap and vertical stabilizer were covered and painted in 2000. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:06 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Change of plans, part 3 From: Dennis Rowe Took the 670 core to my friend and Slingshot driver Dave Lewis's house for d isassembly of the top end. All went fine as frogs fuzz. Had some light scrat ches in one barrel dictating I have it over bored. Removed the oil injection pump as I've chosen go with premix for now. The cylinders and head are now a t my local machine shop waiting for the new pistons to arrive, and to get pa rticle blasted to look like new. The crank and crank case are waiting to be p roperly packaged for the trip to Naples Florida for reworking by Rotax Rick a nd to get the E gearbox and exhaust fitted. As that will be the major expens e of this project, wifey has appealed to me to put that on hold till the hol iday credit card Smackdown is paid off. In the meantime I have pretty much a cquired all the odds and ends I'll need to complete the project through some very successful eBay shopping. Just landed the power valves tonight. Life is good. Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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