---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/14/13: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:17 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 12/13/13 (Ted Cowan) 2. 11:11 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: (Rick Lewis) 3. 12:15 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: (Herb) 4. 12:26 PM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: (Herb) 5. 02:25 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: (Bob Green) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:17:54 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 12/13/13 From: Ted Cowan Want to chime in here about poly fabric. Only time I had a problem was with the old aircraft spruce. They sent me the correct amount, just in three pieces! Apparently finishing rolls or something. Imagine my surprise when I unrolled the fabric onto the wing to cut only to find it in pieces. The sent me new fabric but the return order got lost in california. Took awhile but got it fixed. Was quite a mess on my credt card. Dodi always got it right. Be careful with the term "They". Ted cowan slingshot 912ul zoom zoom over 450 hrs and loving it! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2013, at 2:02 AM, Kolb-List Digest Server wrote: > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Kolb-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. 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I have dealt with The Millers > and have always received prompt service and exactly what I ordered and > for what I paid. > In all honesty, if they and other providers know someone is just seeking information > on amounts of fabric, etc. they probably do not respond as well as they > would if a person is serious about purchasing their products. I can not speak > for them or anyone but myself, but if my livelihood depended on selling fabric > and certain products I would probably respond in a similar manner. They make > their living in a very competitive market selling Poli-fiber products. I > personally have tried to respect that fact with all the providers with which > I deal. Poli-fiber seems costly but I have inspected and worked on other fabric > covered planes and am convinced that Poli-fiber will last more than 15-20 > years if applied correctly and it is definitely easy to apply, even for those > working with fabric for the first time... like I was. > > Many years ago when I was buying an airplane from a friend I kept prodding him > to come down on the price. He reminded me that he could not stay in business > if he donated all his time and products, etc. > I have nothing but respect for Jim and Dondi... if they are by chance the "they" > mentioned. I do not mean to offend anyone and I know that even the greatest > vendor drops the ball at some time or another, but they have never dropped it > in my case. > > I had to order more fabric because of a mistake I made and I also used more materials > because it was my first fabric job. > Just my two cents worth... and it is free. Of course I have been told by some > good friends that I don't have enough "cents" (sense) to be givining any away. > :) > Bob > N830PB, > MKIII Extra > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:35:50 PM PST US > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: > From: Dennis Rowe > > > I should have chimed in sooner on this. > I have had the same experience as Bob with Jim and Dondi Miller. They are true > class acts. > I look forward to someday soon covering our 48 C-170's wings with products purchased > from these fine folks at Aircraft Technical Support. > > Dennis "Skid" Rowe > Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA > > >> On Dec 13, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Bob Green wrote: >> >> >> >> Who are the "they" who short change buyers on fabric? I have dealt with The > Millers and have always received prompt service and exactly what I ordered and > for what I paid. >> In all honesty, if they and other providers know someone is just seeking information > on amounts of fabric, etc. they probably do not respond as well as they > would if a person is serious about purchasing their products. I can not speak > for them or anyone but myself, but if my livelihood depended on selling fabric > and certain products I would probably respond in a similar manner. They > make their living in a very competitive market selling Poli-fiber products. > I personally have tried to respect that fact with all the providers with which > I deal. Poli-fiber seems costly but I have inspected and worked on other fabric > covered planes and am convinced that Poli-fiber will last more than 15-20 > years if applied correctly and it is definitely easy to apply, even for those > working with fabric for the first time... like I was. >> >> Many years ago when I was buying an airplane from a friend I kept prodding him > to come down on the price. He reminded me that he could not stay in business > if he donated all his time and products, etc. >> I have nothing but respect for Jim and Dondi... if they are by chance the "they" > mentioned. I do not mean to offend anyone and I know that even the greatest > vendor drops the ball at some time or another, but they have never dropped > it in my case. >> >> I had to order more fabric because of a mistake I made and I also used more materials > because it was my first fabric job. >> Just my two cents worth... and it is free. Of course I have been told by some > good friends that I don't have enough "cents" (sense) to be givining any > away. :) >> Bob >> N830PB, >> MKIII Extra >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:51:30 PM PST US > From: "John Hauck" > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: > > > > Poli-fiber seems costly but I have inspected and worked on other fabric > covered planes and am convinced that Poli-fiber will last more than 15-20 > years if applied correctly and it is definitely easy to apply, even for > those working with fabric for the first time... like I was. > > > I have nothing but respect for Jim and Dondi... if they are by chance the > "they" mentioned. I do not mean to offend anyone and I know that even the > greatest vendor drops the ball at some time or another, but they have never > dropped it in my case. > > Bob > N830PB, > MKIII Extra > > > Bob G/Kolbers: > > I covered my MKIII 23 years ago with Polyfiber. In 2000, after tearing up a > wing aileron, and flap, during a crash at Muncho Lake, BC, Jim and Dondi > Miller came to my rescue. They were at the Kolb Homecoming that year, as > well as Homer and Clara Kolb. I shared my unsuccessful flight to Alaska > with the group of Kolbers attending. At the end of my briefing, Jim Miller > stood up and informed me that he and Dondi would provide me with all fabric, > paint, and material to recover the wing, aileron, and flap, at no charge. > And that also included shipping. I will never forget and will always be > grateful for their extreme generosity. With their help, The New Kolb > Aircraft, and a few others, I was successful in flying to Point Barrow, > Alaska, the following year. > > I echo Bob Green's sentiments about Jim and Dondi. They have always gone > out of their way to help all of their customers that I am aware of. > > And one thing for sure. You will always get a tremendous hug from Dondi. > She is a exceptionally good hugger. > > By the way, the fabric on my right wing, aileron, flap, rudder, horizontal > stabilizer, and fuselage are original 1991 fabric and paint. The left wing, > aileron, flap and vertical stabilizer were covered and painted in 2000. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:31:06 PM PST US > Subject: Kolb-List: Change of plans, part 3 > From: Dennis Rowe > > Took the 670 core to my friend and Slingshot driver Dave Lewis's house for d > isassembly of the top end. All went fine as frogs fuzz. Had some light scrat > ches in one barrel dictating I have it over bored. Removed the oil injection > pump as I've chosen go with premix for now. The cylinders and head are now a > t my local machine shop waiting for the new pistons to arrive, and to get pa > rticle blasted to look like new. The crank and crank case are waiting to be p > roperly packaged for the trip to Naples Florida for reworking by Rotax Rick a > nd to get the E gearbox and exhaust fitted. As that will be the major expens > e of this project, wifey has appealed to me to put that on hold till the hol > iday credit card Smackdown is paid off. In the meantime I have pretty much a > cquired all the odds and ends I'll need to complete the project through some > very successful eBay shopping. Just landed the power valves tonight. > Life is good. > > > Dennis "Skid" Rowe > > Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA > > > 

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> > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:49 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: From: "Rick Lewis" Jim and Dondi, at poly fiber are great people to deal with and wouldn.t buy from anyone else. I did come up 15' short on fabric and had to buy more. I was supper conservative on my cuts and wasted none but yet came up short. Brian. at Kolb said other and himself have seen this shortage of fabric before and his said I should say something about it in hopes to have this corrected. Please don't think that I am mad at the poly people as I am not, but thought all should know about this..... -------- Rick Lewis (VW Watercooled Engine) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415561#415561 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:36 PM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: all why use poly fiber at 8 to 13 bucks a yard...when peel ply in both weight's that we require are under 4 bucks? Aircraft spruce called it uncertified at one time...it is now called peel ply.... ever frugal Herb ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:01 PM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: Also would like to note that Aircraft Spruce ships gallons of poly products with no haz material charge... that could be expensive...Herb On 12/14/2013 02:14 PM, Herb wrote: > > all > > why use poly fiber at 8 to 13 bucks a yard...when peel ply in both > weight's that we require are under 4 bucks? Aircraft spruce called > it uncertified at one time...it is now called peel ply.... ever frugal > Herb > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:25:49 PM PST US From: Bob Green Subject: Kolb-List: RE: Kolb-List Digest: Thanks all. Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.