---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/15/14: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:51 AM - Re: Re: Kolb MK lll (Dana Hague) 2. 04:39 AM - Morning Flight (Larlaeb) 3. 05:42 AM - Re: Kolb MK lll (dany88) 4. 06:07 AM - Re: Kolb MK lll (Richard Pike) 5. 07:14 AM - Re: Re: Kolb MK lll (Jack) 6. 07:19 AM - Kolb MK lll (K I) 7. 07:26 AM - Re: Kolb MK lll (dany88) 8. 08:04 AM - Re: Kolb MK lll (dany88) 9. 08:32 AM - Re: Re: Kolb MK lll (Herb) 10. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: Kolb MK lll (Richard Girard) 11. 12:13 PM - Re: Kolb MK lll (Richard Pike) 12. 01:00 PM - Re: Re: Kolb MK lll (John Hauck) 13. 01:09 PM - Re: Re: Kolb MK lll (Dennis Rowe) 14. 01:29 PM - Re: Re: Kolb MK lll (B Young) 15. 01:39 PM - Re: Kolb MK lll (dany88) 16. 01:41 PM - Re: Kolb MK lll (dany88) 17. 01:47 PM - Re: Re: Kolb MK lll (Martin Koxxy) 18. 01:56 PM - Firefly flaperon questions (Stuart Harner) 19. 02:03 PM - Firefly control cable questions (Stuart Harner) 20. 04:52 PM - Re: (OOPSIE!) Firefly flaperon questions (Stuart Harner) 21. 05:07 PM - Re: (OOPSIE!) Firefly flaperon questions (Beauford) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:44 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb MK lll At 02:54 AM 1/15/2014, Dennis Rowe wrote: > >And the tail is modified for higher rotation clearance. Hence there is no >fin or ruder beneath the tail boom. Hardly a Kolb anymore. But probably >still a solid flyer. No way for us to know the quality of the build >without being able to touch and inspect it, >Buyer beware. Tri gear... is that a Ferguson rather than a Kolb? Isn't a Ferguson basically a Kolb copy with tri gear? Or perhaps it's a Kolb modified with Ferguson parts. Then you have to wonder how well the conversion was engineered... Dana -- Democracy is three wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:25 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Morning Flight From: "Larlaeb" MorningFlight.mp4 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416929#416929 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:17 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb MK lll From: "dany88" thanks to all for the moment. When will purchase the aircraft I will send you pictures. However, I can turn it like this? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416932#416932 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/n496bm_708.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:14 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb MK lll From: "Richard Pike" Dana, I think you may have hit it. http://siamesekrazy.wix.com/fergusonaircraft http://siamesekrazy.wix.com/fergusonaircraft#!about Daniele - are you sure that the airplane you are looking at is a Kolb? Please verify by comparing it with the pictures on the 2nd link above. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 My soul shall be joyful in the LORD; It shall rejoice in His salvation. Psalm 35:9 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416933#416933 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:10 AM PST US From: Jack Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb MK lll On 1/15/2014 9:06 AM, Richard Pike wrote: > > Dana, I think you may have hit it. > http://siamesekrazy.wix.com/fergusonaircraft > > http://siamesekrazy.wix.com/fergusonaircraft#!about > > Daniele - are you sure that the airplane you are looking at is a Kolb? > Please verify by comparing it with the pictures on the 2nd link above. > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > My soul shall be joyful in the LORD; It shall rejoice in His salvation. Psalm 35:9 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416933#416933 > > Richard, comparing the picture he sent first it looks like a Kolb tail feathers. Horizontial stabalizer front attachment point mounted to the tailboom. Not like the Fergy. > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:33 AM PST US From: K I Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb MK lll Hi Boyd=2CI have traveled around the US looking for the right Kolb. I enjoy ed the flights we took in your MK III. I am still seeking a Kolb Mark III Classic to buy. Let me know if you can think of someone who is selling one. Thanks again Boyd=2C I look forward to our next flight. Give me a call wh en you are ready. 801-502-7016Kurt ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:38 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb MK lll From: "dany88" The owner has confirmed to me that it is a kolb mark the three. From the photos it does not seem fergusona. The owner told me that when it was built object to the amendment made to the three axes, because he did not like the bicyclo Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416938#416938 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/listener_1_111.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn9250_780.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn9254_993.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:06 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb MK lll From: "dany88" look at this picture. Here you can see better. the former owner. according to you and a kolb mark 3 or not? from the pictures it seems to you, anyway Saturday I'm going to take then you keep up to date Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416940#416940 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/5_550.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_1_153.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_2_406.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:28 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb MK lll Very do able mods....use the original gear leg tube attach points but angle the legs outward and backward ..add free castering nose wheel(or maybe not?) .. and one is in business... should lengthen the take off roll some what . Herb On 01/15/2014 10:03 AM, dany88 wrote: > > look at this picture. > Here you can see better. > the former owner. > according to you and a kolb mark 3 or not? > from the pictures it seems to you, anyway Saturday I'm going to take then you keep up to date > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb MK lll From: Richard Girard Daniele, There's certainly a lot of Mk III in the airplane, but there have been so many changes made that it is a new airplane now. Good luck. Rick Girard do not archive On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 10:03 AM, dany88 wrote: > > look at this picture. > Here you can see better. > the former owner. > according to you and a kolb mark 3 or not? > from the pictures it seems to you, anyway Saturday I'm going to take then > you keep up to date > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416940#416940 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/5_550.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_1_153.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolb_2_406.jpg > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:51 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb MK lll From: "Richard Pike" Looking at this interior picture, it appears the original gear leg tubes were cut off of the hoop ring that fits at the forward end of the 6" fuselage tube. Then it looks like new structure was welded up to attach the gear leg tubes at a new angle. Assuming that if was done properly, it might be OK. But I'm not an engineer, so I don't know.. The fuel lines in the picture are brown, obviously old. They need to be replaced. Suggest you use standard automotive fuel line. Also suggest you carefully check the rest of the fuel system. There may be other problems which are not as obvious. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 My soul shall be joyful in the LORD; It shall rejoice in His salvation. Psalm 35:9 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416959#416959 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/mkiiiinside_medium_111.jpg ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:15 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb MK lll Seems there were photos of two different aircraft, one a standard MKIII and one that had been modified to be a trigear??? john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb MK lll From: Dennis Rowe Yeah, caught that too, must be a comm gap. Pretty certain he's getting the funky one. Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA > On Jan 15, 2014, at 3:59 PM, "John Hauck" wrote: > > > > > Seems there were photos of two different aircraft, one a standard MKIII and > one that had been modified to be a trigear??? > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:09 PM PST US Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb MK lll From: B Young I noticed the same thing, and when I looked at the fergy , the horizontal liked to be mounted higher. Boyd On Jan 15, 2014 2:04 PM, "John Hauck" wrote: > > > Seems there were photos of two different aircraft, one a standard MKIII > and > one that had been modified to be a trigear??? > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:51 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb MK lll From: "dany88" according to you, this may be an old ferguson? of source documents there kolb mark 3 the owner tells me that in costruzzione and changed. but in reality is a kolb mark 3 then with a bit of work pasienza and I can bring it back to its origins Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416973#416973 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:55 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb MK lll From: "dany88" where can I find photos of the ferguson 20 years ago? so I can compare? (ferguson or kolb) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416974#416974 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb MK lll From: Martin Koxxy I think what Dany is trying to say is, can I convert the aircraft from tricycle gear to tailwheel (like the one in the photo). "When will purchase the aircraft I will send you pictures. However, I can turn it like this?" On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Dennis Rowe wrote: > > Yeah, caught that too, must be a comm gap. Pretty certain he's getting the > funky one. > > Dennis "Skid" Rowe > Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA > > > > On Jan 15, 2014, at 3:59 PM, "John Hauck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Seems there were photos of two different aircraft, one a standard MKIII > and > > one that had been modified to be a trigear??? > > > > john h > > mkIII > > Titus, Alabama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:56:00 PM PST US From: "Stuart Harner" Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly flaperon questions Hi, In preparing to install the flaperon control tube and handle, I have been studying the plans (Page 17 of Firefly plans). This has me a little confused. The plan states: " Set-up the linkage with the flaperons in the normal trailing position behind the wing (flat along the bottom). The flaperon actuating handle should then be in the forward slot and the slider will be as far back as possible." The drawing goes on to show the handle in the lowest position and labeled as "Normal" with the full up position labeled as "Full Flaperon". The drawing also shows the slider in the rearmost position, although it is not labeled to indicate if the flaps are normal or full. To my mind, this is all backwards. When the slider is in the rearmost position, the torque tube is in its most downward setting. Likewise, when the slider is in the most forward position, the torque tube is at the highest point. Do the flaps get deployed by moving UP from the trailing position? Or is the drawing just the opposite of the way things work? If the flaps deploy by moving down from the trailing position, that means the "normal" position of the handle is in the top slot and the full flaps position is in the bottom slot. Can anyone clarify this for me? Thanks, Stuart ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:53 PM PST US From: "Stuart Harner" Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly control cable questions Hi, After installing the elevator and rudder control cables I have noticed a couple of things. 1) The cables lay on the bottom of the inside of the tail boom. 2) The pulleys at the front of the boom (by the gear legs) do not rotate, even though they rotate easily by hand. There is not enough tension from the cable to cause them to turn. 3) With the stick full aft, the rudder cables rub on the elevator control horn. The questions are: 1) As dirt and grit accumulates on the cables, does this cause any concern about wear and tear on the inside of the tail boom? 2) If the pulleys are only "guiding" the cables and not rotating, will they get a flat spot worn on them, or is there any reason to be concerned? 3) Do I need an up limit stop on the elevator to keep it from hitting the rudder cables? 4) What is the normal full up deflection angle for the elevator? Thanks, Stuart ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:25 PM PST US From: "Stuart Harner" Subject: RE: (OOPSIE!) Kolb-List: Firefly flaperon questions OK, I just figured it out. The horn that attaches to the aileron points forward, so that changes the direction of travel. Since I don't have the wings mounted yet and the horns are not on the ailerons, I did pick up on this one little detail. Color me embarrassed. Sorry everyone, Stuart From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Harner Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:56 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly flaperon questions Hi, In preparing to install the flaperon control tube and handle, I have been studying the plans (Page 17 of Firefly plans). This has me a little confused. The plan states: " Set-up the linkage with the flaperons in the normal trailing position behind the wing (flat along the bottom). The flaperon actuating handle should then be in the forward slot and the slider will be as far back as possible." The drawing goes on to show the handle in the lowest position and labeled as "Normal" with the full up position labeled as "Full Flaperon". The drawing also shows the slider in the rearmost position, although it is not labeled to indicate if the flaps are normal or full. To my mind, this is all backwards. When the slider is in the rearmost position, the torque tube is in its most downward setting. Likewise, when the slider is in the most forward position, the torque tube is at the highest point. Do the flaps get deployed by moving UP from the trailing position? Or is the drawing just the opposite of the way things work? If the flaps deploy by moving down from the trailing position, that means the "normal" position of the handle is in the top slot and the full flaps position is in the bottom slot. Can anyone clarify this for me? Thanks, Stuart ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:58 PM PST US From: "Beauford " Subject: RE: (OOPSIE!) Kolb-List: Firefly flaperon questions Brother Stuart. Don't feel too bad, Pard. I had the wings on backwards for most of the first test flights.. Talk about yer long takeoff rolls.and the stalls were like arguing with my first wife. Beauford FF-076 Brandon FL Do Not Archive From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Harner Subject: RE: (OOPSIE!) Kolb-List: Firefly flaperon questions OK, I just figured it out. The horn that attaches to the aileron points forward, so that changes the direction of travel. Since I don't have the wings mounted yet and the horns are not on the ailerons, I did pick up on this one little detail. Color me embarrassed. 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