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1. 12:48 AM - Re: Re: Kolb MK lll (Tony)
2. 06:39 AM - Re: Morning Flight (Richard Pike)
3. 06:45 AM - Re: (OOPSIE!) Firefly flaperon questions (Richard Pike)
4. 07:41 AM - Re: Firefly control cable questions (Ducati SS)
5. 08:09 AM - Re: Re: Firefly control cable questions (John Hauck)
6. 08:30 AM - Re: Re: Firefly control cable questions (Larry Cottrell)
7. 08:32 AM - Re: Re: Firefly control cable questions (Stuart Harner)
8. 08:37 AM - Re: (OOPSIE!) Firefly flaperon questions (Richard Girard)
9. 08:45 AM - Re: (OOPSIE!) Firefly flaperon questions (Richard Girard)
10. 09:58 AM - Re: Morning Flight (Larlaeb)
11. 07:04 PM - Too nice to not fly- video (Larry Cottrell)
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So why would you do that the a perfectly good MK111C ?Anyway once off
the ground if it still fly's like a MK111C it will be a very good
aeroplane .May not land as well ,I still like the third wheel behind not
in front .
MK111c
Downunder
From: Richard Girard
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb MK lll
Daniele, There's certainly a lot of Mk III in the airplane, but there
have been so many changes made that it is a new airplane now. Good luck.
Rick Girard
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On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 10:03 AM, dany88 <danielecafaro@alice.it> wrote:
look at this picture.
Here you can see better.
the former owner.
according to you and a kolb mark 3 or not?
from the pictures it seems to you, anyway Saturday I'm going to take
then you keep up to date
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| Subject: | Re: Morning Flight |
Very nice. What was the location? And the music? I would like to include that video
in our next club newsletter.
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| Subject: | Re: (OOPSIE!) Firefly flaperon questions |
beauford173(at)tampabay.r wrote:
> Brother Stuart
>
> Dont feel too bad, Pard I had the wings on backwards for most of the first test
flights.
>
> Talk about yer long takeoff rollsand the stalls were like arguing with my first
wife
>
> Beauford
> FF-076
> Brandon FL
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Hey Matt Dralle: got an idea - In Facebook, they have this thing where you can
"like" stuff that is good; can you make us up a "Boofie" for stuff that makes
you blow coffee out your nose?
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly control cable questions |
Clearance in the aft end of the boom tube is tight, I did a lot of adjusting when
building mine and was able to reduce but not eliminate interference. I used
two rudder horns cut apart and re welded to make one and also tweaked the cable
attaching ends to get maximum rudder cable clearance.
One of the problems is that due to the location of the elevator bell crank pivot
the bell crank moves up and down with fore and aft stick movements. The instructions
stress the need to space the forward horz. stabilizer mounts to allow
fore and aft movement of the stab. Certainly the space should be provided but
if during construction the elevator hinge line is kept exactly in line with
the center of the elevator pivot bolt there will be little or no movement of
the stab. The further off from perfect alignment the more sliding of the stab
will occur . elevator travel on the Firefly is basically determined by stick
placement during rigging. The plans show proper neutral stick position and then
up elevator is limited by rearward stick travel.
If I remember correctly I had the same issue with the pulleys not turning, not
much down force at this location. In my opinion setting cable tensions is a balancing
act. We want the best control feel and minimum slapping in the boom but
the more tension on the elevator cables the stronger the pull on the bell crank
pivot bolts. As there are no replaceable bearings or bushings at the pivot
I am concerned with high cable tension elongating the holes in the tail ring.
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly control cable questions |
Good Morning Kolbers:
Pretty difficult to center the elevator hinge lines. I got one side pretty
close and the other side not so close to center. There's a little fore and
aft movement to both sides. I have space at the forward horizontal
stabilizer attach points to prevent binding.
In 3,200.0+ hours the holes in the tail boom ring have worn a little bit,
but still have many hours left before something would have to be done with
them.
I have found that loose elevator cables make an uncomfortable flying
aircraft. Nice snug cables produce crisp, concise elevator input. In other
words, loose elevator cables make a Kolb fly like a dog.
Here is how I adjust elevator cables. I am sure some will disagree with me,
but that is perfectly ok. This is not gospel, but the way I do it.
Get someone to hold the elevators, locking them in place. Then try to move
the control stick fore and aft. If there is fore and aft slop, tighten the
cables some more. I do not want any slack/slop in fore and aft stick
movement.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama - Waiting for my airstrip to dry out so I can go fly, even in
near freezing weather. Been wet for a month or more.
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ducati SS
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:41 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly control cable questions
Clearance in the aft end of the boom tube is tight, I did a lot of adjusting
when building mine and was able to reduce but not eliminate interference. I
used two rudder horns cut apart and re welded to make one and also tweaked
the cable attaching ends to get maximum rudder cable clearance.
One of the problems is that due to the location of the elevator bell crank
pivot the bell crank moves up and down with fore and aft stick movements.
The instructions stress the need to space the forward horz. stabilizer
mounts to allow fore and aft movement of the stab. Certainly the space
should be provided but if during construction the elevator hinge line is
kept exactly in line with the center of the elevator pivot bolt there will
be little or no movement of the stab. The further off from perfect alignment
the more sliding of the stab will occur . elevator travel on the Firefly is
basically determined by stick placement during rigging. The plans show
proper neutral stick position and then up elevator is limited by rearward
stick travel.
If I remember correctly I had the same issue with the pulleys not turning,
not much down force at this location. In my opinion setting cable tensions
is a balancing act. We want the best control feel and minimum slapping in
the boom but the more tension on the elevator cables the stronger the pull
on the bell crank pivot bolts. As there are no replaceable bearings or
bushings at the pivot I am concerned with high cable tension elongating the
holes in the tail ring.
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly control cable questions |
John said- "
Get someone to hold the elevators, locking them in place. Then try to move
the control stick fore and aft. If there is fore and aft slop, tighten the
cables some more. I do not want any slack/slop in fore and aft stick
movement."
I was having trouble with my landings in my Firestar. It seemed to drop out
from under me as I slowed down. John checked the slop in my elevator and we
tightened it up. The difference was dramatic and so very much better.
Worth doing,
Larry
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 9:08 AM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Good Morning Kolbers:
>
> Pretty difficult to center the elevator hinge lines. I got one side pretty
> close and the other side not so close to center. There's a little fore and
> aft movement to both sides. I have space at the forward horizontal
> stabilizer attach points to prevent binding.
>
> In 3,200.0+ hours the holes in the tail boom ring have worn a little bit,
> but still have many hours left before something would have to be done with
> them.
>
> I have found that loose elevator cables make an uncomfortable flying
> aircraft. Nice snug cables produce crisp, concise elevator input. In
> other
> words, loose elevator cables make a Kolb fly like a dog.
>
> Here is how I adjust elevator cables. I am sure some will disagree with
> me,
> but that is perfectly ok. This is not gospel, but the way I do it.
>
> Get someone to hold the elevators, locking them in place. Then try to move
> the control stick fore and aft. If there is fore and aft slop, tighten the
> cables some more. I do not want any slack/slop in fore and aft stick
> movement.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama - Waiting for my airstrip to dry out so I can go fly, even
> in
> near freezing weather. Been wet for a month or more.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ducati SS
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:41 AM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly control cable questions
>
>
> Clearance in the aft end of the boom tube is tight, I did a lot of
> adjusting
> when building mine and was able to reduce but not eliminate interference. I
> used two rudder horns cut apart and re welded to make one and also tweaked
> the cable attaching ends to get maximum rudder cable clearance.
> One of the problems is that due to the location of the elevator bell crank
> pivot the bell crank moves up and down with fore and aft stick movements.
> The instructions stress the need to space the forward horz. stabilizer
> mounts to allow fore and aft movement of the stab. Certainly the space
> should be provided but if during construction the elevator hinge line is
> kept exactly in line with the center of the elevator pivot bolt there will
> be little or no movement of the stab. The further off from perfect
> alignment
> the more sliding of the stab will occur . elevator travel on the Firefly is
> basically determined by stick placement during rigging. The plans show
> proper neutral stick position and then up elevator is limited by rearward
> stick travel.
>
> If I remember correctly I had the same issue with the pulleys not turning,
> not much down force at this location. In my opinion setting cable tensions
> is a balancing act. We want the best control feel and minimum slapping in
> the boom but the more tension on the elevator cables the stronger the pull
> on the bell crank pivot bolts. As there are no replaceable bearings or
> bushings at the pivot I am concerned with high cable tension elongating the
> holes in the tail ring.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417011#417011
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly control cable questions |
Understood.
Mine was a quick build so all the tail feathers were completed at the
factory. I had to make up and install the cables.
The only time there is any interference is at the very top of the elevator
travel. Mostly it is the ferules that are hitting the elevator horn. I
don't really like the idea of limiting travel, as I may need it someday.
Likewise, it is not likely to be too much of a problem unless full up is
used regularly. I just don't like parts that rub on each other. Ditto for
the cables in the bottom of the tail tube.
I considered covering the ends of the cables with heat shrink tubing to make
them "ride" easier over the elevator horn, but don't like that because it
could promote, and then hide corrosion of the rudder cables.
I guess I should not get too concerned about it until final assembly. Maybe
by then some kind of inspiration will hit me.
Stuart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ducati SS
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:41 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly control cable questions
Clearance in the aft end of the boom tube is tight, I did a lot of adjusting
when building mine and was able to reduce but not eliminate interference. I
used two rudder horns cut apart and re welded to make one and also tweaked
the cable attaching ends to get maximum rudder cable clearance.
One of the problems is that due to the location of the elevator bell crank
pivot the bell crank moves up and down with fore and aft stick movements.
The instructions stress the need to space the forward horz. stabilizer
mounts to allow fore and aft movement of the stab. Certainly the space
should be provided but if during construction the elevator hinge line is
kept exactly in line with the center of the elevator pivot bolt there will
be little or no movement of the stab. The further off from perfect alignment
the more sliding of the stab will occur . elevator travel on the Firefly is
basically determined by stick placement during rigging. The plans show
proper neutral stick position and then up elevator is limited by rearward
stick travel.
If I remember correctly I had the same issue with the pulleys not turning,
not much down force at this location. In my opinion setting cable tensions
is a balancing act. We want the best control feel and minimum slapping in
the boom but the more tension on the elevator cables the stronger the pull
on the bell crank pivot bolts. As there are no replaceable bearings or
bushings at the pivot I am concerned with high cable tension elongating the
holes in the tail ring.
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly flaperon questions |
Stuart, On the other hand you could have done what the builder of my Mk III
did and install them at just enough wrong angle that they worked but when
the ailerons started to flutter (he didn't install the counterweights to
balance them, either) the aileron horns were driven into the prop blades.
Scratch three Warp Drive propeller blades.
Good luck with your build.
Rick Girard
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On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:51 PM, Stuart Harner <stuart@harnerfarm.net>wrote
:
> OK, I just figured it out.
>
>
> The horn that attaches to the aileron points forward, so that changes the
> direction of travel.
>
>
> Since I don=92t have the wings mounted yet and the horns are not on the
> ailerons, I did pick up on this one little detail.
>
>
> Color me embarrassed.
>
>
> Sorry everyone,
>
>
> Stuart
>
>
> *From:* owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Stuart Harner
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:56 PM
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Firefly flaperon questions
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
> In preparing to install the flaperon control tube and handle, I have been
> studying the plans (Page 17 of Firefly plans). This has me a little
> confused.
>
>
> The plan states: =93 Set-up the linkage with the flaperons in the normal
> trailing position behind the wing (flat along the bottom). The flaperon
> actuating handle should then be in the forward slot and the slider will b
e
> as far back as possible.=94
>
>
> The drawing goes on to show the handle in the lowest position and labeled
> as =93Normal=94 with the full up position labeled as =93Full Flaperon=94.
The
> drawing also shows the slider in the rearmost position, although it is no
t
> labeled to indicate if the flaps are normal or full.
>
>
> To my mind, this is all backwards.
>
>
> When the slider is in the rearmost position, the torque tube is in its
> most downward setting. Likewise, when the slider is in the most forward
> position, the torque tube is at the highest point.
>
>
> Do the flaps get deployed by moving UP from the trailing position? Or is
> the drawing just the opposite of the way things work?
>
>
> If the flaps deploy by moving down from the trailing position, that means
> the =93normal=94 position of the handle is in the top slot and the full f
laps
> position is in the bottom slot.
>
>
> Can anyone clarify this for me?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Stuart
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly flaperon questions |
Beauford, Reminds me of a story that Chris Price told me years ago (he
swore up and down that it's a true story).
Wills Wing got a call from a fellow one day complaining that his new hang
glider just wouldn't fly right.
"My takeoffs seem to be okay, but every time I get the scoops filled, it
tries to spin around."
That was almost 40 years ago but to this day all Stupid Pilot Tricks get
filed in my brain under Scoop Filling.
:-}
Rick Girard
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On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Beauford <beauford173@tampabay.rr.com>wrot
e:
> Brother Stuart=85
>
>
> Don=92t feel too bad, Pard=85 I had the wings on backwards for most of t
he
> first test flights=85.
>
>
> Talk about yer long takeoff rolls=85and the stalls were like arguing with
my
> first wife=85
>
>
> Beauford
>
> FF-076
>
> Brandon FL
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> *From:* owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Stuart Harner
>
> *Subject:* RE: (OOPSIE!) Kolb-List: Firefly flaperon questions
>
>
> OK, I just figured it out.
>
>
> The horn that attaches to the aileron points forward, so that changes the
> direction of travel.
>
>
> Since I don=92t have the wings mounted yet and the horns are not on the
> ailerons, I did pick up on this one little detail.
>
>
> Color me embarrassed.
>
>
> Sorry everyone,
>
>
> Stuart
>
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| Subject: | Re: Morning Flight |
The location is just north of Galveston West Bay along the waterway (at low tide).
The music is from the sound track of Pride and Prejudice by Jean-Yves Thibaudet.
Shot with a Sony Exmor Camera.
Allan
Kolb MkIII N308JB
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| Subject: | Too nice to not fly- video |
Today was a really nice day, 42, sunny and very little wind. I wanted to go
check one of the back country ponds that I hunt with my hawk when it
doesn't dry up. We have had two years of extreme drought here and it was
dry as a bone. The BLM (Bureau of Land Management ) brought in a cat and
was going to deepen it. As good an excuse to fly as not.
https://vimeo.com/84361146?utm_source=email&utm_medium=clip-transcode_complete-finished-20120100&utm_campaign=7701&email_id=Y2xpcF90cmFuc2NvZGVkfGY2NjRkOTMyMGM3ZWVhMDRjNTA2MWVlZmY1ODhjMTJlMjcwfDc2NDA2NDl8MTM4OTkyNTY0NHw3NzAx
password- owyheeflyer
Larry
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