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1. 03:21 AM - Re: Kolb MK lll (dany88)
2. 04:40 AM - Kolb Aircraft Co Email (kolbaircraft)
3. 04:47 AM - Re: Re: Kolb MK lll (william sullivan)
4. 04:50 AM - Re: Kolb Aircraft Co Email (Malcolm Brubaker)
5. 05:32 AM - Re: Kolb MK lll (dany88)
6. 05:44 AM - Firestar (Herb)
7. 06:34 AM - Re: Broke The Ice - First Flight 2014 (Watkinsdw)
8. 06:45 AM - Re: Re: Kolb MK lll (John Hauck)
9. 06:58 AM - Re: Re: Kolb MK lll (John Hauck)
10. 07:35 AM - Re: Re: Kolb MK lll (David Kulp)
11. 07:36 AM - Kolbd deatil photos (Ducati SS)
12. 07:40 AM - Re: Kolb MK lll (dany88)
13. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: Kolb MK lll (william sullivan)
14. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: Kolb MK lll (Dennis Rowe)
15. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: Kolb MK lll (John Hauck)
16. 08:01 AM - Re: Kolbd deatil photos (Ducati SS)
17. 08:14 AM - Re: Re: Kolbd deatil photos (william sullivan)
18. 08:20 AM - Re: Kolbd deatil photos (Ducati SS)
19. 08:55 AM - Re: Re: Kolb MK lll (Larry Cottrell)
20. 10:42 AM - mk III flight (K I)
21. 01:00 PM - Re: Kolbd deatil photos (olendorf)
22. 05:18 PM - Winter flight (B Young)
23. 05:22 PM - cold weather flight suit (james.vanlaak@gmail.com)
24. 05:30 PM - Firefly for sale (Samuel Briseno)
25. 06:11 PM - Re: Firefly for sale (Richard Girard)
26. 06:21 PM - Re: Winter flight (John Hauck)
27. 06:23 PM - Re: Kolbd deatil photos (Beauford)
28. 06:32 PM - Re: Winter flight (B Young)
29. 07:21 PM - Re: Winter flight (B Young)
30. 07:44 PM - Re: Kolbd deatil photos (Richard Pike)
31. 07:59 PM - Re: Winter flight (John Hauck)
32. 08:05 PM - Re: Winter flight (B Young)
33. 08:08 PM - Re: Re: Kolbd deatil photos (John Hauck)
34. 08:10 PM - Re: Winter flight (John Hauck)
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I found this wonderful kolb firestar in the year 1988 with 180 hours total. After
25 years you have to do some special maintenance? Fabric of the wings seems
to be in good condition, although the structure and in excellent condition.
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| Subject: | Kolb Aircraft Co Email |
If anyone is having trouble with our email please try kolbaircraft@gmail.com
I have had a few guys say the email kicked back when trying to email us.
Travis
Kolb Co.
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- It appears to be an original Firestar, with the 5 main rib wings.- I
have one like it, but mine is about a 1985.- What engine does it have?-
You should probably do a punch test on the fabric to see if it has been af
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m =0ASent: Monday, January 20, 2014 6:21 AM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb
ice.it>=0A=0AI found this wonderful kolb firestar in the year 1988 with 180
hours total. After 25 years you have to do some special maintenance? Fabri
c of the wings seems to be in good condition, although the structure and in
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Aircraft Co Email |
thank you travis, we hope the- new owner of the kit from michigan is happ
y with his buy keep in touch-- mal=0A=0A=0AMalcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
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aircraft" <customersupport@tnkolbaircraft.com>=0A=0AIf anyone is having tro
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The engine is a 377 rotax electric start
the price is 2700 dollars
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Real deal!! I will take it...:-) (says Herb stumbling over himself as
he heads out the door to the bank..)
On 01/20/2014 07:32 AM, dany88 wrote:
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> The engine is a 377 rotax electric start
>
> the price is 2700 dollars
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| Subject: | Re: Broke The Ice - First Flight 2014 |
Hi John,
I agree that rust accumulates fast. Weather, the Holidays and work schedule have
kept me out of the cockpit for too long. Drove to Sebring LSA Expo this weekend
for a little inspiration. That, plus having retired two weeks ago should get
me airborne very soon. Landings--lots of landings!
Dave Watkins
MK III-C
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Morning Folks:
Thought I was add this as info only from personal experience.
Not to nit-pick, but Polyester Dacron is not affected by age, as much as it
is by ultraviolet light and sharp objects. Of course, an occasional washer
or bolt will also do a number on it.
If the aircraft was hangered and has a good UV block, it should be good to
go as far as strength is concerned.
The first airplane I built, the US, was stored outside in a cow pasture for
one year and six months. I was more concerned with flying than building a
hanger, so the hanger never got built. When I built the FS, I made myself
finish the hanger before I flew the FS. Only way to get the job done back
then. I had the US fabric tested by the Director of the Home Economics
Department, Florida State University, only because her husband was our
friend and also an aircraft home builder/flyer. She had the machine to pull
test the fabric. I still have the samples and the results stuffed in a hole
around hauck's holler somewhere. The test was done around 1986. Fabric
samples on top of the wing tested at the same level as sample from the
bottom of the wing. Fabric that had been processed through Aerothane finish
paint, but never used on the Ultrastar and kept inside the shop were also
tested at a little above the used fabric. We also tested new bare fabric
which came out not quite as strong as the processed fabric. All came out
well above specs. On the Ultrastar, I used Polytone with the UV block added
to the paint, with a clear coat of Aerothane which also had a UV block.
On my Firestar and MKIII I used Polyspray for the UV coat. The MKIII was
covered in 1991, and is pushing 22 years of service. The fabric is still
serviceable, although some of the paint is weathering, especially on the
tail section.
Waiting for the weather to warm up today. Plan to fly back to the BBQ place
for lunch. It was closed yesterday. My friend James Tripp will be flying
his MKIII also.
It appears to be an original Firestar, with the 5 main rib wings. I have
one like it, but mine is about a 1985. What engine does it have? You
should probably do a punch test on the fabric to see if it has been affected
by aging.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks,
Ct.
Original FS,
447 Rotax.
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" Of course, an occasional washer or bolt will also do a number on it."
Hi Folks:
Hell getting old and slow.
The above should have read, "Of course, an occasional washer or bolt going
through the prop will also do a number on it."
Sorry about that.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Thanks for that, John. This info will surely be good news for many of
us who have not tested our AC skin and have had questions about this
issue. This is the kind of stuff that makes this forum invaluable!
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
11DMK
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On 1/20/2014 9:45 AM, John Hauck wrote:
>
> Morning Folks:
>
> Thought I was add this as info only from personal experience.
>
> Not to nit-pick, but Polyester Dacron is not affected by age, as much
> as it is by ultraviolet light and sharp objects.Of course, an
> occasional washer or bolt will also do a number on it.
>
> If the aircraft was hangered and has a good UV block, it should be
> good to go as far as strength is concerned.
>
> The first airplane I built, the US, was stored outside in a cow
> pasture for one year and six months.I was more concerned with flying
> than building a hanger, so the hanger never got built.When I built the
> FS, I made myself finish the hanger before I flew the FS.Only way to
> get the job done back then.I had the US fabric tested by the Director
> of the Home Economics Department, Florida State University, only
> because her husband was our friend and also an aircraft home
> builder/flyer.She had the machine to pull test the fabric.I still have
> the samples and the results stuffed in a hole around hauck's holler
> somewhere.The test was done around 1986.Fabric samples on top of the
> wing tested at the same level as sample from the bottom of the
> wing.Fabric that had been processed through Aerothane finish paint,
> but never used on the Ultrastar and kept inside the shop were also
> tested at a little above the used fabric.We also tested new bare
> fabric which came out not quite as strong as the processed fabric.All
> came out well above specs.On the Ultrastar, I used Polytone with the
> UV block added to the paint, with a clear coat of Aerothane which also
> had a UV block.
>
> On my Firestar and MKIII I used Polyspray for the UV coat.The MKIII
> was covered in 1991, and is pushing 22 years of service.The fabric is
> still serviceable, although some of the paint is weathering,
> especially on the tail section.
>
> Waiting for the weather to warm up today.Plan to fly back to the BBQ
> place for lunch.It was closed yesterday.My friend James Tripp will be
> flying his MKIII also.
>
> It appears to be an original Firestar, with the 5 main rib wings. I
> have one like it, but mine is about a 1985. What engine does it
> have? You should probably do a punch test on the fabric to see if it
> has been affected by aging.
>
> Bill Sullivan
> Windsor Locks, Ct.
> Original FS, 447 Rotax.
>
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| Subject: | Kolbd deatil photos |
Attempting to post photos. If successful will follow up with additional information.
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It can transform into two seats in tandem?
As the kolb firestar ll
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- Dany- The stock Original Firestar is a single seat only.- Firestar II
is different.=0A=0A------------------
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ny88 <danielecafaro@alice.it>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday
, January 20, 2014 10:40 AM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb MK lll=0A =0A=0A
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No it cannot. This one is strictly a single seat.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
> On Jan 20, 2014, at 10:40 AM, "dany88" <danielecafaro@alice.it> wrote:
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> It can transform into two seats in tandem?
> As the kolb firestar ll
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Dany/Kolbers:
Original Firestar is single seat. Cannot make it into a Firestar II.
Wings, with 5 main ribs, limit gross weight to one person.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 9:40 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb MK lll
It can transform into two seats in tandem?
As the kolb firestar ll
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbd deatil photos |
OK photos posted
This is my Firefly , Part construction kit and part quick build, Brian built the
wing structure almost to quick build specs. He could not do the rigging portion
as I already had the rest of the airplane built. Please ignore the incorrect
fasteners, I am making some changes and many of the bolts are temporary. The
structure and rigging is as last flown, hope this helps Stuart or any other
Firefly builders.
Mods. I did not like the supplied throttle so I fabricated the one pictured.
Notice the small screws on the interior nose cone supports and the exterior bottom
- no need to drill rivets for removal.
Modified rudder horn, for clearance.
I have seen a number of spark plug cap retention methods but they all required
consumables. Composite rod has a sleeve glued on recoil end and tight fitting
o rings to secure rod - slide o rings down rod for removal.
Nylon spacers at wing strut attach points to help prevent wear from sliding and
vibration - inspection rings for future opening and covers.
Many bolts ( as seen on intake manifold ) and axles are Titanium, Al. lock nuts
on shear only fasteners.
9 volt battery powers Belite instruments.
A few others that I will post at a later date.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbd deatil photos |
- I looked at all the photos- that is a very good looking plane.- Any i
dea when she will fly?=0A=0A---------------
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=0A From: Ducati SS <hiwingflyer6219@yahoo.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.c
om =0ASent: Monday, January 20, 2014 11:01 AM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: Kol
ingflyer6219@yahoo.com>=0A=0AOK photos posted=0A=0AThis is my Firefly , Par
t construction kit and part quick build, Brian built the wing structure alm
ost to quick build specs. He could not do the rigging portion as I already
had the rest of the airplane built. Please ignore the incorrect fasteners,
I am making some changes and many of the bolts are temporary. The structure
and rigging is as last flown, hope this helps Stuart or any other Firefly
builders. =0AMods.- I did not like the supplied throttle so I fabricated
the one pictured.=0ANotice the small screws on the interior nose cone suppo
rts and the exterior bottom - no need to drill rivets for removal.=0AModifi
ed rudder horn, for clearance.=0AI have seen a number of spark plug cap ret
ention methods but they all required consumables. Composite rod has a sleev
e glued on recoil end and tight fitting o rings to secure rod - slide o rin
gs down rod for removal.=0ANylon spacers at wing strut attach points to hel
p prevent wear from sliding and vibration - inspection rings for future ope
ning and covers.=0AMany bolts ( as seen on intake manifold ) and axles are
Titanium, Al. lock nuts on shear only fasteners.=0A9 volt battery powers Be
lite instruments.=0AA few others that I will post at a later date.=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbd deatil photos |
I have about 3 hours flight time on it and a lot of taxi time.
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If your interest is in carrying passengers, do yourself a favor and talk to
Travis about a Mark III kit. The 7 rib Firestar II might be able to do it
with a 110 lb passenger, but it will not be in comfort. It will be more
expensive to build a Mark III, but you will be safer and happier in the
long run.
The Firestar is more suited to a personal aircraft than a transport
vehicle. The Mark III built and set up properly can do most every thing
that a Firestar can do, but with a passenger.
Larry
Larry
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:40 AM, dany88 <danielecafaro@alice.it> wrote:
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> It can transform into two seats in tandem?
> As the kolb firestar ll
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Thanks Boyd..........! I'm still looking for that Mark III.
Kurt
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I have traveled around the US looking for the right Kolb. I enjoyed =0A
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbd deatil photos |
Perfection. I love it.
Your plane and garage show an organized, detail oriented mind. So what happened
here? "Kolbd deatil photos" Someone else must have started the thread for
you. :D
The only thing I would change is the plastic fuel line clamps.
--------
Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/
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Went up for about an hour had to charg my and the plane battery
Boyd
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| Subject: | cold weather flight suit |
I have a brand new CWU 64P insulated nomex flight suit, size 40L. This is
the same style suit I used to wear as a young air force pilot and it is
absolutely wonderful in cold weather. With street clothes underneath it is
good to the 20's no problem. With long johns, good hat, gloves, and a good
jacket I used to spend all day outside in -20 weather without trouble. I
thought this one would fit because the ad said it was cut to go over
clothes, but somehow 30 years made it not fit me anymore and I am tracking
down a bigger one. If you are about 6' and 170 lbs this is a sweet way to
stay warm. Top quality, brand new, I paid $50 for it and that is all I
want out of it.
Jim Van Laak
Kolb Mark 3X
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| Subject: | Firefly for sale |
I am usually just a lurker on the list and have over the years, enjoyed this
list as one of the best on the Net. My reason for un-lurking at this time i
s to give anyone here first shot at my Firefly that is now for sale. This is
an N numbered ELSA with a 10 gal. fuel tank. It has always been hangared, h
as approx. 270 hours on the 447 and the airframe, both are in great shape. I
also have a trailer for it that could be sold separately to anyone who is i
nterested. My asking price is 8K for the plane and 2K for the trailer. If in
terested, respond by E-mail for details to: litefly@att.net. We are hangared
and fly from a field just west of Gainesville, Fl.
Sam Briseno.
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly for sale |
Sam, Sorry you're selling your FireFly, but at that price someone is going
to have a very happy new year. I doubt you'll have much trouble selling it.
Rick Girard
do not archive
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Samuel Briseno <litefly@att.net> wrote:
> I am usually just a lurker on the list and have over the years, enjoyed
> this list as one of the best on the Net. My reason for un-lurking at this
> time is to give anyone here first shot at my Firefly that is now for sale.
> This is an N numbered ELSA with a 10 gal. fuel tank. It has always been
> hangared, has approx. 270 hours on the 447 and the airframe, both are in
> great shape. I also have a trailer for it that could be sold separatelyto anyone
who is interested. My asking price is 8K for the plane and 2K for
> the trailer. If interested, respond by E-mail for details to:
> litefly@att.net. We are hangared and fly from a field just west of
> Gainesville, Fl.
> Sam Briseno.
>
> *
>
>
> *
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>
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Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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Where is Brigham City Airport in relation to the aircraft in the photo?
Looks like winter. I bet it can really get cold out on the mud flats north
side of the big lake.
I had a good flight with two of my local friends this afternoon. Got
another 1.5 hours flying with another MKIII and FSII.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
Subject: Kolb-List: Winter flight
Went up for about an hour had to charg my and the plane battery
Boyd
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| Subject: | Kolbd deatil photos |
Brother SS:
That is an exceptionally slick looking Fly, sir... Great workmanship...
Congratulations...!
I wish you many safe and fun hours in her...
beauford
FF-076, N173BW
Brandon, FL
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This is my Firefly , Part construction kit and part quick build
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I am about 12 to 15 miles N NW of the Brigham airport if you look at the
far right of the first photo, the bend in the freeway is the same as the
left side of this one. If you follow the freeway it leads to the airport.
On Jan 20, 2014 7:23 PM, "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Where is Brigham City Airport in relation to the aircraft in the photo?
>
>
> Looks like winter. I bet it can really get cold out on the mud flats
> north side of the big lake.
>
>
> I had a good flight with two of my local friends this afternoon. Got
> another 1.5 hours flying with another MKIII and FSII.
>
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> * Subject:* Kolb-List: Winter flight
>
>
> Went up for about an hour had to charg my and the plane battery
> Boyd
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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Guess I have never been to the mud flats this time of year... butt it can
get nasty cold. Is one of your flying partners. James Tripp?
Boyd
On Jan 20, 2014 7:23 PM, "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Where is Brigham City Airport in relation to the aircraft in the photo?
>
>
> Looks like winter. I bet it can really get cold out on the mud flats
> north side of the big lake.
>
>
> I had a good flight with two of my local friends this afternoon. Got
> another 1.5 hours flying with another MKIII and FSII.
>
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> * Subject:* Kolb-List: Winter flight
>
>
> Went up for about an hour had to charg my and the plane battery
> Boyd
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbd deatil photos |
Beautiful airplane, excellent workmanship. Something you might think of doing is
upgrading when it comes time to replace the urethane tubing in a couple years.
If it were mine, I would get soft aluminum tubing from AC Spruce and run in place
of the urethane, with automotive fuel line at the connections where you have
to transition from the aluminum to soft tubing. Had a urethane tubing failure
last summer, oil line from the oil injection tank to the injector pump failed
while the airplane was sitting in the hangar. Walked into the hangar one day
- oil everywhere. What a mess! Hate to think if it had happened in flight.
Doing what I call a 5-year annual this winter, serious stuff and upgrades, when
I get done there will no urethane tubing on my airplane.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
My soul shall be joyful in the LORD; It shall rejoice in His salvation. Psalm 35:9
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Actually, James Tripp flying his MKIII and Burt Sparrow (yes that is this
guy's real name), flying James' FSII he bought from James several years ago.
Burt is a big guy. You can hear the little FSII grunt every time Burt
climbs on board. However, the 503 does a good job of launching him out of
some short confined strips.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of B Young
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 9:19 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Winter flight
Guess I have never been to the mud flats this time of year... butt it can
get nasty cold. Is one of your flying partners. James Tripp?
Boyd
On Jan 20, 2014 7:23 PM, "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
Where is Brigham City Airport in relation to the aircraft in the photo?
Looks like winter. I bet it can really get cold out on the mud flats north
side of the big lake.
I had a good flight with two of my local friends this afternoon. Got
another 1.5 hours flying with another MKIII and FSII.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
Subject: Kolb-List: Winter flight
Went up for about an hour had to charg my and the plane battery
Boyd
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Did you get your bbq
On Jan 20, 2014 9:01 PM, "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
> Actually, James Tripp flying his MKIII and Burt Sparrow (yes that is this
> guy's real name), flying James' FSII he bought from James several years ago.
> Burt is a big guy. You can hear the little FSII grunt every time Burt
> climbs on board. However, the 503 does a good job of launching him out
> of some short confined strips.
>
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> *From:* owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *B Young
> *Sent:* Monday, January 20, 2014 9:19 PM
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Kolb-List: Winter flight
>
>
> Guess I have never been to the mud flats this time of year... butt it can
> get nasty cold. Is one of your flying partners. James Tripp?
> Boyd
>
> On Jan 20, 2014 7:23 PM, "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> Where is Brigham City Airport in relation to the aircraft in the photo?
>
>
> Looks like winter. I bet it can really get cold out on the mud flats
> north side of the big lake.
>
>
> I had a good flight with two of my local friends this afternoon. Got
> another 1.5 hours flying with another MKIII and FSII.
>
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Winter flight
>
>
> Went up for about an hour had to charg my and the plane battery
> Boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbd deatil photos |
Haven't used plastic fuel line for years, many years. Never understood why
it was used on airplanes in the first place. Got a perfect track record
with Gates black neoprene fuel line. If you are concerned if the fuel line
will collapse, buy Gates Fuel Injection Fuel Line. Yep, they make it in
1/4" ID.
I use Gates Fuel Line to feed a 5.5 KW Onan Generator from a 25 gal alum aux
tank, both mounted permanently in the pickup bed of my truck. The fuel line
is exposed to the sun and weather every day, all day. I don't know how many
years I use it before replacement, but usually when it starts looking like
it may fail, 3, 4, 5 years. Like I said, don't know for sure.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
If it were mine, I would get soft aluminum tubing from AC Spruce and run in
place of the urethane, with automotive fuel line at the connections where
you have to transition from the aluminum to soft tubing. Had a urethane
tubing failure last summer, oil line from the oil injection tank to the
injector pump failed while the airplane was sitting in the hangar. Walked
into the hangar one day - oil everywhere. What a mess! Hate to think if it
had happened in flight.
Richard Pike
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We got our BBQ. That is another good use for a Kolb
Thanks,
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of B Young
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 10:05 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Winter flight
Did you get your bbq
On Jan 20, 2014 9:01 PM, "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
Actually, James Tripp flying his MKIII and Burt Sparrow (yes that is this
guy's real name), flying James' FSII he bought from James several years ago.
Burt is a big guy. You can hear the little FSII grunt every time Burt
climbs on board. However, the 503 does a good job of launching him out of
some short confined strips.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of B Young
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 9:19 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Winter flight
Guess I have never been to the mud flats this time of year... butt it can
get nasty cold. Is one of your flying partners. James Tripp?
Boyd
On Jan 20, 2014 7:23 PM, "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
Where is Brigham City Airport in relation to the aircraft in the photo?
Looks like winter. I bet it can really get cold out on the mud flats north
side of the big lake.
I had a good flight with two of my local friends this afternoon. Got
another 1.5 hours flying with another MKIII and FSII.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
Subject: Kolb-List: Winter flight
Went up for about an hour had to charg my and the plane battery
Boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbd deatil photos |
The Gates hose John refers to complies with a standard called SAE 30R9.
So, any hose that complies with that should work quite well. For example,
go to napaonline.com and in the search box, type in "30R9" and you'll get
some of that hose that you can order from them. (Their WH H0770410 part
number is the 1/4" ID hose.)
-- Robert
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 10:08 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> Haven't used plastic fuel line for years, many years. Never understood why
> it was used on airplanes in the first place. Got a perfect track record
> with Gates black neoprene fuel line. If you are concerned if the fuel line
> will collapse, buy Gates Fuel Injection Fuel Line. Yep, they make it in
> 1/4" ID.
>
> I use Gates Fuel Line to feed a 5.5 KW Onan Generator from a 25 gal alum
> aux
> tank, both mounted permanently in the pickup bed of my truck. The fuel
> line
> is exposed to the sun and weather every day, all day. I don't know how
> many
> years I use it before replacement, but usually when it starts looking like
> it may fail, 3, 4, 5 years. Like I said, don't know for sure.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> If it were mine, I would get soft aluminum tubing from AC Spruce and run in
> place of the urethane, with automotive fuel line at the connections where
> you have to transition from the aluminum to soft tubing. Had a urethane
> tubing failure last summer, oil line from the oil injection tank to the
> injector pump failed while the airplane was sitting in the hangar. Walked
> into the hangar one day - oil everywhere. What a mess! Hate to think if it
> had happened in flight.
>
> Richard Pike
>
>
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