---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/18/14: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:21 AM - Re: Re: Arizona Flyer (fs2kolb@aol.com) 2. 10:14 AM - Mark-3 for Sale (KIRBY, DENNIS T GS-13 USAF AFMC AFNWC/ENS) 3. 10:42 AM - Re: Mark-3 for Sale (K I) 4. 11:55 AM - Re: Arizona Flyer (Arizona Flyer) 5. 02:17 PM - Re: Re: Arizona Flyer (undoctor) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Arizona Flyer From: fs2kolb@aol.com What did you see? -----Original Message----- From: Arizona Flyer Sent: Sun, Feb 16, 2014 12:52 pm Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Arizona Flyer Kolb list; This is Arizona Flyer, I just saw this and sent Jon an e-mail. -------- "Life should be lived as a bold adventure, I refuse to tiptoe through life just to arrive safely at death" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418806#418806 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:00 AM PST US From: "KIRBY, DENNIS T GS-13 USAF AFMC AFNWC/ENS" Subject: Kolb-List: Mark-3 for Sale Kolb Friends - On a recent visit to lonely airport in southern New Mexico this past weekend, the airport manager had lots of questions about my Mark-3, which I had just flown in. He told me there was one like it parked in a hangar there, which the owner wanted to sell. I told him I'd be happy to take a look at it. He rolled open the hangar door, and there sat a sad, dusty, early-model Mark-3 with two flat tires. The airport guy told me the owner was old and ailing, and it had not flown it in six years. I inspected it closely, and discovered that it was in fact a well-built airplane. It appeared very straight, and had no evidence of damage. The fabric was pristine, even if covered in a thick layer of dust. I looked closely at the areas typically prone to wear and damage, like the landing gear legs, the gear leg sockets, and the steel tail post structure. All looked good. The tailwheel was not the stock pizza-cutter type that comes from Kolb, but rather the upgraded full-swiveling unit with the inch-wide wheel. It looked hardly used at all. From all I could see, this aircraft has been well-preserved from all its years being stored in the dry, desert environment of southern New Mexico - no corrosion. The interior was quite spartan, with bare aluminum floor pans and simple fabric sling seats with minimal padding. Instruments were basic analog types, and looked old. It had the single center-mounted control stick. Engine was a 582. The whole aircraft was painted an ugly shade of red, including the nose cone, wing struts, tail-bracing wires, and boom tube. Kinda like the guy built the airplane, then painted every inch of the exterior. Here's the kicker - it's not N-numbered. We all know this category of aircraft in now in the "lawn ornament" category, or else it could have value for salvage parts. So the owner should not expect offers of great sums of money for his Kolb. He indicated that he was hoping to get about $5000 for it, but in light of the current situation with registration, will likely not be offered that much. That said ... I see a potential opportunity here for somebody getting a good Mark-3 for cheap, if you're willing to do a bit of restoration work. If it were me, I would disassemble it, strip off all the fabric, remove the engine and all the old instruments and wiring, and start over from there. Take some pictures of the airplane parts in its bare-bones state, and approach the FAA as if it were a newly-constructed kit. Get it registered in the Experimental/Amateur-Built category. It would be WAY cheaper - and faster - than starting from ground zero from a kit. Several kit builders have done it this way since the FAA's grace period to register fat ultralights has passed, in 2008. If anyone is interested, let me know. I am happy to provide the contact info for the airport manager. Dennis Kirby Mark-3/912 Sandia Park, NM ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:35 AM PST US From: K I Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Mark-3 for Sale Hi Dennis=2C I am seeking a Kolb Mark III. I would like to talk to you about it ASAP. Please call me or give me a number to call you. Thanks=2C Kurt Imig Sandy=2C Utah 801-502-7016 > From: dennis.kirby.3@us.af.mil > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Mark-3 for Sale > Date: Tue=2C 18 Feb 2014 18:13:37 +0000 > /ENS" > > Kolb Friends - > > On a recent visit to lonely airport in southern New Mexico this past week end=2C the airport manager had lots of questions about my Mark-3=2C which I had just flown in. He told me there was one like it parked in a hangar th ere=2C which the owner wanted to sell. I told him I'd be happy to take a l ook at it. > > He rolled open the hangar door=2C and there sat a sad=2C dusty=2C early-m odel Mark-3 with two flat tires. The airport guy told me the owner was old and ailing=2C and it had not flown it in six years. I inspected it closel y=2C and discovered that it was in fact a well-built airplane. > > It appeared very straight=2C and had no evidence of damage. The fabric w as pristine=2C even if covered in a thick layer of dust. I looked closely at the areas typically prone to wear and damage=2C like the landing gear le gs=2C the gear leg sockets=2C and the steel tail post structure. All looke d good. The tailwheel was not the stock pizza-cutter type that comes from Kolb=2C but rather the upgraded full-swiveling unit with the inch-wide whee l. It looked hardly used at all. From all I could see=2C this aircraft ha s been well-preserved from all its years being stored in the dry=2C desert environment of southern New Mexico - no corrosion. > > The interior was quite spartan=2C with bare aluminum floor pans and simpl e fabric sling seats with minimal padding. Instruments were basic analog t ypes=2C and looked old. It had the single center-mounted control stick. E ngine was a 582. The whole aircraft was painted an ugly shade of red=2C in cluding the nose cone=2C wing struts=2C tail-bracing wires=2C and boom tube . Kinda like the guy built the airplane=2C then painted every inch of the exterior. > > Here's the kicker - it's not N-numbered. We all know this category of ai rcraft in now in the "lawn ornament" category=2C or else it could have valu e for salvage parts. So the owner should not expect offers of great sums o f money for his Kolb. He indicated that he was hoping to get about $5000 f or it=2C but in light of the current situation with registration=2C will li kely not be offered that much. That said ... > > I see a potential opportunity here for somebody getting a good Mark-3 for cheap=2C if you're willing to do a bit of restoration work. If it were me =2C I would disassemble it=2C strip off all the fabric=2C remove the engine and all the old instruments and wiring=2C and start over from there. Take some pictures of the airplane parts in its bare-bones state=2C and approac h the FAA as if it were a newly-constructed kit. Get it registered in the Experimental/Amateur-Built category. It would be WAY cheaper - and faster - than starting from ground zero from a kit. Several kit builders have don e it this way since the FAA's grace period to register fat ultralights has passed=2C in 2008. > > If anyone is interested=2C let me know. I am happy to provide the contac t info for the airport manager. > > Dennis Kirby > Mark-3/912 > Sandia Park=2C NM > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:55:10 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Arizona Flyer From: "Arizona Flyer" fs2kolb(at)aol.com wrote: > What did you see? > > > -- It's self explanatory. Carefully read the 1st message, then read the 2nd message and the mystery may be solved for you. -------- "Life should be lived as a bold adventure, I refuse to tiptoe through life just to arrive safely at death" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=418951#418951 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:17:37 PM PST US Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Arizona Flyer From: undoctor SSB3YXMgd29uZGVyaW5nIHRoZSBzYW1lIHRoaW5nLiBIb3cgZG8gSSBmaW5kIHRoZSBmaXJzdCBt ZXNzYWdlPwpJJ3ZlIGFsd2F5cyBlbmpveWVkIGEgc2NhdmVuZ2VyIGh1bnQuwqAKCkRhdmUgS3Vs cAoKRG8gbm90IGFyY2hpdmUKClNlbnQgZnJvbSBteSBWZXJpem9uIFdpcmVsZXNzIDRHIExURSBT bWFydHBob25lCgotLS0tLS0tLSBPcmlnaW5hbCBtZXNzYWdlIC0tLS0tLS0tCkZyb206IEFyaXpv bmEgRmx5ZXIgPGhlcmFjZXN0aGVzdW5AeWFob28uY29tPiAKRGF0ZTowMi8xOC8yMDE0ICAyOjU0 IFBNICAoR01ULTA1OjAwKSAKVG86IGtvbGItbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tIApTdWJqZWN0OiBL b2xiLUxpc3Q6IFJlOiBBcml6b25hIEZseWVyIAoKLS0+IEtvbGItTGlzdCBtZXNzYWdlIHBvc3Rl ZCBieTogIkFyaXpvbmEgRmx5ZXIiIDxoZXJhY2VzdGhlc3VuQHlhaG9vLmNvbT4KCgpmczJrb2xi KGF0KWFvbC5jb20gd3JvdGU6Cj4gV2hhdCBkaWQgeW91IHNlZT8KPsKgIAo+wqAgCj7CoMKgIC0t Ckl0J3Mgc2VsZiBleHBsYW5hdG9yeS4gQ2FyZWZ1bGx5IHJlYWQgdGhlIDFzdCBtZXNzYWdlLCB0 aGVuIHJlYWQgdGhlIDJuZCBtZXNzYWdlIGFuZCB0aGUgbXlzdGVyeSBtYXkgYmUgc29sdmVkIGZv ciB5b3UuCgotLS0tLS0tLQomcXVvdDtMaWZlIHNob3VsZCBiZSBsaXZlZCBhcyBhIGJvbGQgYWR2 ZW50dXJlLCBJIHJlZnVzZSB0byB0aXB0b2UgdGhyb3VnaCBsaWZlIGp1c3QgdG8gYXJyaXZlIHNh ZmVseSBhdCBkZWF0aCZxdW90OwoKCgoKUmVhZCB0aGlzIHRvcGljIG9ubGluZSBoZXJlOgoKaHR0 cDovL2ZvcnVtcy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL3ZpZXd0b3BpYy5waHA/cD00MTg5NTEjNDE4OTUxCgoK CgoKCgpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PQpfLT3CoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqAgLSBUaGUgS29sYi1MaXN0IEVtYWlsIEZv cnVtIC0KXy09IFVzZSB0aGUgTWF0cm9uaWNzIExpc3QgRmVhdHVyZXMgTmF2aWdhdG9yIHRvIGJy b3dzZQpfLT0gdGhlIG1hbnkgTGlzdCB1dGlsaXRpZXMgc3VjaCBhcyBMaXN0IFVuL1N1YnNjcmlw dGlvbiwKXy09IEFyY2hpdmUgU2VhcmNoICYgRG93bmxvYWQsIDctRGF5IEJyb3dzZSwgQ2hhdCwg RkFRLApfLT0gUGhvdG9zaGFyZSwgYW5kIG11Y2ggbXVjaCBtb3JlOgpfLT0KXy09wqDCoCAtLT4g aHR0cDovL3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL05hdmlnYXRvcj9Lb2xiLUxpc3QKXy09Cl8tPT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09Cl8t PcKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqAgLSBNQVRST05JQ1MgV0VCIEZPUlVNUyAtCl8t PSBTYW1lIGdyZWF0IGNvbnRlbnQgYWxzbyBhdmFpbGFibGUgdmlhIHRoZSBXZWIgRm9ydW1zIQpf LT0KXy09wqDCoCAtLT4gaHR0cDovL2ZvcnVtcy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tCl8tPQpfLT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQpfLT3C oMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqAgLSBMaXN0IENvbnRyaWJ1dGlvbiBXZWIgU2l0ZSAtCl8t PcKgIFRoYW5rIHlvdSBmb3IgeW91ciBnZW5lcm91cyBzdXBwb3J0IQpfLT3CoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDC oMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgIC1NYXR0IERyYWxs ZSwgTGlzdCBBZG1pbi4KXy09wqDCoCAtLT4gaHR0cDovL3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL2NvbnRy aWJ1dGlvbgpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PQoKCgo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.