---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/26/14: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:07 AM - Wing Tanks in a Kolb? (Nick Cassara) 2. 10:12 AM - Thanks Larry! (Nick Cassara) 3. 10:34 AM - Re: Thanks Larry! (Larry Cottrell) 4. 03:27 PM - Re: Wing Tanks in a Kolb? (Larry Cottrell) 5. 03:33 PM - Re: Wing Tanks in a Kolb? (B Young) 6. 05:13 PM - Re: Wing Tanks in a Kolb? (Dana Hague) 7. 05:38 PM - Re: new video (chris davis) 8. 05:51 PM - Re: Wing Tanks in a Kolb? (Richard Girard) 9. 06:24 PM - Re: new video (Larry Cottrell) 10. 07:57 PM - Re: new video (undoctor) 11. 08:21 PM - Re: new video (John Hauck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:22 AM PST US From: "Nick Cassara" Subject: Kolb-List: Wing Tanks in a Kolb? Kolbers, Just wondering, has anyone ever put wing tanks in their Kolb? Nick Cassara Palmer, AK ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:12:13 AM PST US From: "Nick Cassara" Subject: Kolb-List: Thanks Larry! Thanks you Larry! I will never tire of watching your flight videos! They keep my builders blood flowing. I hope I can return the favor before too long! Thanks, Nick Cassara Palmer, Alaska ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:34:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Thanks Larry! From: Larry Cottrell There should be some interesting scenery where you are, looking forward to seeing it. Larry On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Nick Cassara wrote: > Thanks you Larry! > > > I will never tire of watching your flight videos! They keep my builders > blood flowing. I hope I can return the favor before too long! > > > Thanks, > > > Nick Cassara > > Palmer, Alaska > > * > > > * > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:27:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wing Tanks in a Kolb? From: Larry Cottrell I am not sure where all the "experts" are today, so I guess you are stuck with me. I think most of us first consider Kolbs because they are foldable. Of course other things are considered as well. Most likely, most fold them when they are not flying, and I would think most do not keep them in Hangers at the local airport. So wing tanks would be a problem. Not saying that it couldn't be done, just that it for the most part would incapacitate one of the primary features of Kolbs. When I made the trip with Arty that covered 23 days, I was using a 503 which burned 4 gph. I solved the problem by using two extra fuel tanks that I strapped into the jump seat. I wired a facet fuel pump to my panel and used quick release fuel connectors to get the fuel to the facet and then into a valve in the top of the front tank. That gave me 20 gallons of available fuel. I was also able to store all my camping and personal gear as well. When I need them, I set them in, take them out when I am just putting around in the desert. I had a fuel gage on the front tank, and as it would get down towards the empty side, I just transferred the fuel to top it off. That gave me more than four hours flight time. Larry On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Nick Cassara wrote: > Kolbers, > > > Just wondering, has anyone ever put wing tanks in their Kolb? > > > Nick Cassara > > Palmer, AK > > * > > > * > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:33:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wing Tanks in a Kolb? From: B Young I think it would be hard to fold wings with gas in the tanks On Feb 26, 2014 11:10 AM, "Nick Cassara" wrote: > Kolbers, > > > Just wondering, has anyone ever put wing tanks in their Kolb? > > > Nick Cassara > > Palmer, AK > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:29 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wing Tanks in a Kolb? At 06:26 PM 2/26/2014, Larry Cottrell wrote: >I think most of us first consider Kolbs because they are foldable. Of >course other things are considered as well. Most likely, most fold them >when they are not flying, and I would think most do not keep them in >Hangers at the local airport. So wing tanks would be a problem. Not saying >that it couldn't be done, just that it for the most part would >incapacitate one of the primary features of Kolbs. Can't see why; a flexible line and/or a quick disconnect fitting would still allow folding. You'd have to consider structural issues and provide adequate support for the tank at all g loadings. Dana -- First Law of Debate: Never argue with a fool-- people might not know the difference. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:58 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: new video =0A=0A=0A=0ALarry , Thanks for trip into your world .I always enjoy your vi deos I hope to post some of my own someday.Hope we all live long enough! . --- Chris=0A=0A=0A-=0AChris Davis=0AKXP 503 492 hrs=0AGlider Pilot =0ADisabled from crash building Firefly=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:52 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:=0A =0ASorry Pat they are still private, so if you haven't solved your uploading problem s yet, I can't help you.=0A>=0A>=0A>Here is a video of a flight that I took this morning. The weather here in the Desert has been very nice while all the rest of you are suffering. So you can live vicariously the joy that I e xperienced this mornings flight. If it is any consolation, after returning from the one hour flight I spent the rest of the day editing this video for you.=0A>=0A>=0A>https://vimeo.com/87624835=0A>=0A>=0A>password: -owyheef lyer=0A>=0A>=0A>Larry=0A>=0A>=0A>-- =0A>If you forward this email, or any p ========= =0A>=0A> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Wing Tanks in a Kolb? From: Richard Girard Nick, Take a look at the Just Aircraft Highlander. Its folding mechanism keeps the wings flat, but the issues are similar. About the only difficulty for the Kolb is the method of folding, not the folding itself. You'd just have to run the fuel and vent lines so that fuel doesn't drain out when the wings are folded. Rick Girard do not archive On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Nick Cassara wrote: > Kolbers, > > > Just wondering, has anyone ever put wing tanks in their Kolb? > > > Nick Cassara > > Palmer, AK > > * > > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: new video From: Larry Cottrell Thanks, I was beginning to wonder if any one saw it. Larry On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 6:38 PM, chris davis wrote: > > > Larry , Thanks for trip into your world .I always enjoy your videos I hop e > to post some of my own someday.Hope we all live long enough! . Chris > > > Chris Davis > KXP 503 492 hrs > Glider Pilot > Disabled from crash building Firefly > > > On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 8:52 PM, Larry Cottrell < > lcottrell1020@gmail.com> wrote: > > Sorry Pat they are still private, so if you haven't solved your uploading > problems yet, I can't help you. > > Here is a video of a flight that I took this morning. The weather here in > the Desert has been very nice while all the rest of you are suffering. So > you can live vicariously the joy that I experienced this mornings flight. > If it is any consolation, after returning from the one hour flight I spen t > the rest of the day editing this video for you. > > https://vimeo.com/87624835 > > password: owyheeflyer > > Larry > > -- > *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending.* > > * > > ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ">http://www.matronics.com/et= "_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com/ ">http://forums.matronics- > > =========== onics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: new video From: undoctor SSB3YXRjaGVkIGl0LCBMYXJyeSEgwqBFbmpveWFibGUgYXMgYWx3YXlzIFRoYW5rcy7CoAoKRGF2 ZSBLdWxwCkRvIG5vdCBhcmNoaXZlLsKgCgoKU2VudCBmcm9tIG15IFZlcml6b24gV2lyZWxlc3Mg NEcgTFRFIFNtYXJ0cGhvbmUKCi0tLS0tLS0tIE9yaWdpbmFsIG1lc3NhZ2UgLS0tLS0tLS0KRnJv bTogTGFycnkgQ290dHJlbGwgPGxjb3R0cmVsbDEwMjBAZ21haWwuY29tPiAKRGF0ZTowMi8yNi8y MDE0ICA5OjI0IFBNICAoR01ULTA1OjAwKSAKVG86IGtvbGItbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tIApT dWJqZWN0OiBSZTogS29sYi1MaXN0OiBuZXcgdmlkZW8gCgpUaGFua3MsIEkgd2FzIGJlZ2lubmlu ZyB0byB3b25kZXIgaWYgYW55IG9uZSBzYXcgaXQuCkxhcnJ5CgoKT24gV2VkLCBGZWIgMjYsIDIw MTQgYXQgNjozOCBQTSwgY2hyaXMgZGF2aXMgPGNhcGVkYXZpc0B5YWhvby5jb20+IHdyb3RlOgoK CgoKTGFycnkgLCBUaGFua3MgZm9yIHRyaXAgaW50byB5b3VyIHdvcmxkIC5JIGFsd2F5cyBlbmpv eSB5b3VyIHZpZGVvcyBJIGhvcGUgdG8gcG9zdCBzb21lIG9mIG15IG93biBzb21lZGF5LkhvcGUg d2UgYWxsIGxpdmUgbG9uZyBlbm91Z2ghIC7CoMKgwqAgQ2hyaXMKCsKgCkNocmlzIERhdmlzCktY UCA1MDMgNDkyIGhycwpHbGlkZXIgUGlsb3QKRGlzYWJsZWQgZnJvbSBjcmFzaCBidWlsZGluZyBG aXJlZmx5CgoKT24gVHVlc2RheSwgRmVicnVhcnkgMjUsIDIwMTQgODo1MiBQTSwgTGFycnkgQ290 dHJlbGwgPGxjb3R0cmVsbDEwMjBAZ21haWwuY29tPiB3cm90ZToKU29ycnkgUGF0IHRoZXkgYXJl IHN0aWxsIHByaXZhdGUsIHNvIGlmIHlvdSBoYXZlbid0IHNvbHZlZCB5b3VyIHVwbG9hZGluZyBw cm9ibGVtcyB5ZXQsIEkgY2FuJ3QgaGVscCB5b3UuCgpIZXJlIGlzIGEgdmlkZW8gb2YgYSBmbGln aHQgdGhhdCBJIHRvb2sgdGhpcyBtb3JuaW5nLiBUaGUgd2VhdGhlciBoZXJlIGluIHRoZSBEZXNl cnQgaGFzIGJlZW4gdmVyeSBuaWNlIHdoaWxlIGFsbCB0aGUgcmVzdCBvZiB5b3UgYXJlIHN1ZmZl cmluZy4gU28geW91IGNhbiBsaXZlIHZpY2FyaW91c2x5IHRoZSBqb3kgdGhhdCBJIGV4cGVyaWVu Y2VkIHRoaXMgbW9ybmluZ3MgZmxpZ2h0LiBJZiBpdCBpcyBhbnkgY29uc29sYXRpb24sIGFmdGVy IHJldHVybmluZyBmcm9tIHRoZSBvbmUgaG91ciBmbGlnaHQgSSBzcGVudCB0aGUgcmVzdCBvZiB0 aGUgZGF5IGVkaXRpbmcgdGhpcyB2aWRlbyBmb3IgeW91LgoKaHR0cHM6Ly92aW1lby5jb20vODc2 MjQ4MzUKCnBhc3N3b3JkOiDCoG93eWhlZWZseWVyCgpMYXJyeQoKLS0gCklmIHlvdSBmb3J3YXJk IHRoaXMgZW1haWwsIG9yIGFueSBwYXJ0IG9mIGl0LCBwbGVhc2UgcmVtb3ZlIG15IGVtYWlsIGFk ZHJlc3MgYmVmb3JlIHNlbmRpbmcuCgoKPSJodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vTmF2aWdh dG9yP0tvbGItTGlzdCI+aHR0cDovL3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL2V0PSJfYmxhbmsiIGhyZWY9 Imh0dHA6Ly9mb3J1bXMubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS8iPmh0dHA6Ly9mb3J1bXMubWF0cm9uaWNzLT4g CgogdGFyZ2V0PSJfYmxhbmsiPmh0dHA6Ly93d3cubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS9OYXZpZ2F0b3I/S29s Yi1MaXN0CnRwOi8vZm9ydW1zLm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20KX2JsYW5rIj5odHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJv bmljcy5jb20vY29udHJpYnV0aW9uCgoKCgotLSAKSWYgeW91IGZvcndhcmQgdGhpcyBlbWFpbCwg b3IgYW55IHBhcnQgb2YgaXQsIHBsZWFzZSByZW1vdmUgbXkgZW1haWwgYWRkcmVzcyBiZWZvcmUg c2VuZGluZy4KCgpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQpfLT0gICAgICAgICAgLSBUaGUgS29sYi1MaXN0IEVtYWlsIEZvcnVt IC0KXy09IFVzZSB0aGUgTWF0cm9uaWNzIExpc3QgRmVhdHVyZXMgTmF2aWdhdG9yIHRvIGJyb3dz ZQpfLT0gdGhlIG1hbnkgTGlzdCB1dGlsaXRpZXMgc3VjaCBhcyBMaXN0IFVuL1N1YnNjcmlwdGlv biwKXy09IEFyY2hpdmUgU2VhcmNoICYgRG93bmxvYWQsIDctRGF5IEJyb3dzZSwgQ2hhdCwgRkFR LApfLT0gUGhvdG9zaGFyZSwgYW5kIG11Y2ggbXVjaCBtb3JlOgpfLT0KXy09ICAgLS0+IGh0dHA6 Ly93d3cubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS9OYXZpZ2F0b3I/S29sYi1MaXN0Cl8tPQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQpfLT0gICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAtIE1BVFJPTklDUyBXRUIgRk9SVU1TIC0KXy09IFNhbWUgZ3JlYXQgY29udGVu dCBhbHNvIGF2YWlsYWJsZSB2aWEgdGhlIFdlYiBGb3J1bXMhCl8tPQpfLT0gICAtLT4gaHR0cDov L2ZvcnVtcy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tCl8tPQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQpfLT0gICAgICAgICAgICAgLSBMaXN0IENv bnRyaWJ1dGlvbiBXZWIgU2l0ZSAtCl8tPSAgVGhhbmsgeW91IGZvciB5b3VyIGdlbmVyb3VzIHN1 cHBvcnQhCl8tPSAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIC1NYXR0IERyYWxsZSwgTGlz dCBBZG1pbi4KXy09ICAgLS0+IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS9jb250cmlidXRpb24K Xy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT0KCg= ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:41 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: new video Hi Kolbers: I also watched Larry's video. Very good job, as usual. I might add, even though his video is really good, it doesn't come close to the experience of actually hopping in your own Kolb and flying those same routes. I missed flying the Jordan Valley and the other areas around the Rock House last year, but plan on flying Miss P'fer West this May. Hopefully, I can make it to Oregon and back once again. The MKIII is ready to go. I plan to fly to Lakeland for Sun and Fun, about 10 to 12 hours, plus a few hours of local flying. Might change the oil before I head West, but other than that the new DCPR8EIX Iridium plug should have no problem taking out West and back. Keep those videos coming, Larry. I think all the Kolbers enjoy them. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama I watched it, Larry! Enjoyable as always Thanks. 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