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1. 08:44 AM - Re: Mk3X Aileron Flutter? (Gary Aman)
2. 10:52 AM - Sae 30r9 (Dennis Rowe)
3. 11:07 AM - Re: Sae 30r9 (Frank Goodnight)
4. 11:11 AM - Re: Sae 30r9 (Larry Cottrell)
5. 11:25 AM - Re: Sae 30r9 (Larry Cottrell)
6. 12:01 PM - Re: Sae 30r9 (John Hauck)
7. 02:45 PM - Re: Sae 30r9 (Dennis Rowe)
8. 02:47 PM - Re: Sae 30r9 (Dennis Rowe)
9. 02:55 PM - Re: Sae 30r9 (Dennis Rowe)
10. 03:48 PM - Re: Sae 30r9 (Robert Laird)
11. 03:52 PM - VW belt drive prop settings (Dennis Rowe)
12. 05:27 PM - Re: Mk3X Aileron Flutter? (Tony Malins)
13. 06:56 PM - Re: VW belt drive prop settings (Rick Neilsen)
14. 08:18 PM - Re: VW belt drive prop settings (Dennis Rowe)
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| Subject: | Re: Mk3X Aileron Flutter? |
My mk3 has tubes on the end of the ailerons into which a solid 1/2 dia stee
l rod is slid, parallel to the tip and 90 degrees from the hinges Disconnec
t the control push rod then slide the solid rod into the tube until it bal
ances the aileron,then drill through the tube and solid rod and bolt the ro
d into the tube.Mine has about 10 to 12 inches of steel rod hanging out of
the tube.Depends a lot on how much paint you get on the ailerons.
G.Aman MK 3C jabiru
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Malins <malins888@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:46 pm
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk3X Aileron Flutter?
Thanks Gary,
Can never seem to find anyone home at Kolb..any idea how/where I can get mo
re info?
On 7 March 2014 08:41, Gary Aman <zeprep251@aol.com> wrote:
Aileron balance is required on the Kolbs. Not suggested,not advised,but M
andatory.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 6, 2014, at 5:23 PM, Tony Malins <malins888@gmail.com> wrote:
Test flying my M3X and noticed aileron flutter at about 80. Is there any ba
lancing to be done (weight to be added) via the balance tube outboard of th
e flaperons?
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So I'm trying to find good fuel line for the new engine project in my Mk 3 and
the SAE 30R9 hose is hard to find. Finally found if at the local chain auto parts
store and they want $7 a foot!
I'm starting to think the Blue stuff from Spruce at $1 a foot is looking pretty
damn good.
Any suggestions?
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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Dennis
I would be willing to bet a dollar or two that the parts store was trying to sell
you
A fuel line for fuel injection, that's about the right price for it.
Any napa or other parts store sells a good 1/4 in fuel line for about a buck and
a quarter a foot.
Just bought 3 ft. For my 701 at O'reileys This morning , cost $4.39
Fly safe Frank
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 7, 2014, at 12:51 PM, Dennis Rowe <rowedenny@windstream.net> wrote:
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> So I'm trying to find good fuel line for the new engine project in my Mk 3 and
the SAE 30R9 hose is hard to find. Finally found if at the local chain auto
parts store and they want $7 a foot!
> I'm starting to think the Blue stuff from Spruce at $1 a foot is looking pretty
damn good.
> Any suggestions?
>
> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Dennis Rowe <rowedenny@windstream.net>wrote:
>
> So I'm trying to find good fuel line for the new engine project in my Mk 3
> and the SAE 30R9 hose is hard to find. Finally found if at the local chain
> auto parts store and they want $7 a foot!
> I'm starting to think the Blue stuff from Spruce at $1 a foot is looking
> pretty damn good.
> Any suggestions?
>
> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
>
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00498CX2M/ref=pe_385040_30332190_TE_M3T1_ST1_dp_1
>
I just ordered this stuff, Looks good to me, I asked John H about it and he
thought it would work. If youi are a "premium member" it arrives free
shipping second day.
Larry
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On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Dennis Rowe <rowedenny@windstream.net>wrot
e:
>
> So I'm trying to find good fuel line for the new engine project in my Mk
3
> and the SAE 30R9 hose is hard to find. Finally found if at the local chai
n
> auto parts store and they want $7 a foot!
> I'm starting to think the Blue stuff from Spruce at $1 a foot is looking
> pretty damn good.
> Any suggestions?
>
> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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Dennis, Kolbers:
We quit using UL plastic fuel line many, many years ago. To me, it is an
engine failure or fire fixing to happen. Very unreliable unless changed our
religiously at frequent intervals.
I use Gates premium fuel line, the black neoprene stuff. Have had nothing
but good luck with it. It will get a few tale tell cracks, usually around
the clamp, to let you know it probably needs changing. Never heard of this
fuel line failing, unless it was not Gates premium fuel line.
My opinion only, based on over 3,200.0 flight hours on my MKIII.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
So I'm trying to find good fuel line for the new engine project in my Mk 3
and the SAE 30R9 hose is hard to find. Finally found if at the local chain
auto parts store and they want $7 a foot!
I'm starting to think the Blue stuff from Spruce at $1 a foot is looking
pretty damn good.
Any suggestions?
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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Thanks a ton Larry, I just bought 25 ft for $39 on eBay, I was hung up on sa
e30r9 rating and it is injection line but extreamly flexible and rated highl
y for ethenol. If it wasn't so pricey I would have used it. I Used to run s
ae30r7 and r6 but that stuff won't stand up to ethenol, it stiffens up after
a few years.
I hope the Gates Barricade is as flexible as the 30R9 stuff!
Will report my findings when it arrives.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
> On Mar 7, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com> wrote
:
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>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Dennis Rowe <rowedenny@windstream.net> w
rote:
>>
>> So I'm trying to find good fuel line for the new engine project in my Mk 3
and the SAE 30R9 hose is hard to find. Finally found if at the local chain a
uto parts store and they want $7 a foot!
>> I'm starting to think the Blue stuff from Spruce at $1 a foot is looking p
retty damn good.
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
>> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00498CX2M/ref=pe_385040_30332190_TE_M3T1_ST1_
dp_1
>
> I just ordered this stuff, Looks good to me, I asked John H about it and h
e thought it would work. If youi are a "premium member" it arrives free ship
ping second day.
> Larry
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Frank,
Make sure it's not rated for ethanol.
See my other post
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
> On Mar 7, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Frank Goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net> wrote:
>
>
> Dennis
> I would be willing to bet a dollar or two that the parts store was trying to
sell you
> A fuel line for fuel injection, that's about the right price for it.
> Any napa or other parts store sells a good 1/4 in fuel line for about a buck
and a quarter a foot.
> Just bought 3 ft. For my 701 at O'reileys This morning , cost $4.39
> Fly safe Frank
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Mar 7, 2014, at 12:51 PM, Dennis Rowe <rowedenny@windstream.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> So I'm trying to find good fuel line for the new engine project in my Mk 3 and
the SAE 30R9 hose is hard to find. Finally found if at the local chain auto
parts store and they want $7 a foot!
>> I'm starting to think the Blue stuff from Spruce at $1 a foot is looking pretty
damn good.
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
>> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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Damn,
Just now went back to Larry's link to the fuel line and realized it was $7 c
heaper than I paid. I do this stuff on my phone and didn't see the price lis
ted the first time I looked at it. Oh well, still pretty affordable.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
> On Mar 7, 2014, at 5:45 PM, Dennis Rowe <rowedenny@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks a ton Larry, I just bought 25 ft for $39 on eBay, I was hung up on s
ae30r9 rating and it is injection line but extreamly flexible and rated high
ly for ethenol. If it wasn't so pricey I would have used it. I Used to run s
ae30r7 and r6 but that stuff won't stand up to ethenol, it stiffens up after
a few years.
> I hope the Gates Barricade is as flexible as the 30R9 stuff!
> Will report my findings when it arrives.
>
> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
>
>
>
>> On Mar 7, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com> wrot
e:
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>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Dennis Rowe <rowedenny@windstream.net> w
rote:
>>>
>>> So I'm trying to find good fuel line for the new engine project in my Mk
3 and the SAE 30R9 hose is hard to find. Finally found if at the local chai
n auto parts store and they want $7 a foot!
>>> I'm starting to think the Blue stuff from Spruce at $1 a foot is looking
pretty damn good.
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
>>> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00498CX2M/ref=pe_385040_30332190_TE_M3T1_ST1
_dp_1
>>
>> I just ordered this stuff, Looks good to me, I asked John H about it and h
e thought it would work. If youi are a "premium member" it arrives free ship
ping second day.
>> Larry
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It might be worth reading the 4-page brochure, found here:
http://images.oreillyauto.com/parts/img/documents/gat/gatesbarricade4page.pdf
Note that it is NOT rated for submersion in gasoline, so don't use it to
put a line down into the tank. It also isn't as kink resistant as others,
but still looks pretty darned flexible.
-- Robert
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Dennis Rowe <rowedenny@windstream.net>wrote:
> Thanks a ton Larry, I just bought 25 ft for $39 on eBay, I was hung up on
> sae30r9 rating and it is injection line but extreamly flexible and rated
> highly for ethenol. If it wasn't so pricey I would have used it. I Used to
> run sae30r7 and r6 but that stuff won't stand up to ethenol, it stiffens up
> after a few years.
> I hope the Gates Barricade is as flexible as the 30R9 stuff!
> Will report my findings when it arrives.
>
>
> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
>
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> On Mar 7, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Dennis Rowe <rowedenny@windstream.net>wrote:
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>>
>>
>> So I'm trying to find good fuel line for the new engine project in my Mk
>> 3 and the SAE 30R9 hose is hard to find. Finally found if at the local
>> chain auto parts store and they want $7 a foot!
>> I'm starting to think the Blue stuff from Spruce at $1 a foot is looking
>> pretty damn good.
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
>> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
>>
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00498CX2M/ref=pe_385040_30332190_TE_M3T1_ST1_dp_1
>>
>
> I just ordered this stuff, Looks good to me, I asked John H about it and
> he thought it would work. If youi are a "premium member" it arrives free
> shipping second day.
> Larry
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| Subject: | VW belt drive prop settings |
Calling all VW Kolb drivers with the belt drives!
My friend Roger Sell is nearing completion of his Xtra and needs an educated guess
on where to set his prop pitch to be in the right neighborhood.
He has a Great Planes engine and a 1.6 to 1 Valley engineering redrive with a 72
inch Powerfin F three blade prop. I think they say the engine is 100hp?" Any
suggestions on where he should start with his blade pitch would be appreciated.
I'm figuring 12 degrees for starters, idk?
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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| Subject: | Re: Mk3X Aileron Flutter? |
Thanks Gary..very helpful, I'll try it.
Cheers
Tony
On 8 March 2014 02:44, Gary Aman <zeprep251@aol.com> wrote:
> My mk3 has tubes on the end of the ailerons into which a solid 1/2 dia
> steel rod is slid, parallel to the tip and 90 degrees from the hinges
> Disconnect the control push rod then slide the solid rod into the tube
> until it balances the aileron,then drill through the tube and solid rod and
> bolt the rod into the tube.Mine has about 10 to 12 inches of steel rod
> hanging out of the tube.Depends a lot on how much paint you get on the
> ailerons.
> G.Aman MK 3C jabiru
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Malins <malins888@gmail.com>
> To: kolb-list <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thu, Mar 6, 2014 5:46 pm
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk3X Aileron Flutter?
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> Thanks Gary,
>
> Can never seem to find anyone home at Kolb..any idea how/where I can get
> more info?
>
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> On 7 March 2014 08:41, Gary Aman <zeprep251@aol.com> wrote:
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>> Aileron balance is required on the Kolbs. Not suggested,not advised,but
>> Mandatory.
>>
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>> On Mar 6, 2014, at 5:23 PM, Tony Malins <malins888@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Test flying my M3X and noticed aileron flutter at about 80. Is there
>> any balancing to be done (weight to be added) via the balance tube outboard
>> of the flaperons?
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| Subject: | Re: VW belt drive prop settings |
Dennis
I have the some prop cut down to 71 inches. I did this to try to get more
power in climb. Its very good but you will always want more..... it didn't
help Well 12 degrees would be a good starting point (I don't know what my
pitch is I use the feeler gage thing but I don't remember what my settings
are) but it really depends on how hard you want to run the engine. I find
that 3200 RPM at app 60% power and 75 MPH works well for me. It is a real
trial and error thing. I see 3400-3500 RPM on climb out at 60 MPH at 100%.
Tie the plane down and shoot for about 3400 RPM static and you will be
fairly close. Be very careful not to run at full power very long on the
ground. Watch your CHTs and don't go over 375 degrees even if you have to
power back a bit in the air. You can run a bit rich (to cool the engine) as
long as you don't foul the plugs by going too rich. I would run on the rich
side early on to protect the new engine. The valves are the weak if you get
them too hot. Also I run my redrive belts loose to get things to run
smooth. You will notice the engine RPM surging if you get too loose. If so
power back a bit till it holds a steady RPM or you will burn the belts. I
figure my engine as having 80 HP.
Good luck and have fun.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Dennis Rowe <rowedenny@windstream.net>wrote:
>
> Calling all VW Kolb drivers with the belt drives!
> My friend Roger Sell is nearing completion of his Xtra and needs an
> educated guess on where to set his prop pitch to be in the right
> neighborhood.
> He has a Great Planes engine and a 1.6 to 1 Valley engineering redrive
> with a 72 inch Powerfin F three blade prop. I think they say the engine is
> 100hp?" Any suggestions on where he should start with his blade pitch would
> be appreciated. I'm figuring 12 degrees for starters, idk?
>
> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: VW belt drive prop settings |
Thanks Rick, that's what he's looking for. I think we'll be test flying his b
ird sometime this summer so this will be a great help. I still run a Powerfi
n and will continue to run it when I swap engines this Spring, been using Da
ve Lewis's Warp Drive protractor the last couple years and won't go back to t
he pins and feeler gauges.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
> On Mar 7, 2014, at 9:56 PM, Rick Neilsen <neilsenrm@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dennis
>
> I have the some prop cut down to 71 inches. I did this to try to get more p
ower in climb. Its very good but you will always want more..... it didn't he
lp Well 12 degrees would be a good starting point (I don't know what my pit
ch is I use the feeler gage thing but I don't remember what my settings are)
but it really depends on how hard you want to run the engine. I find that 3
200 RPM at app 60% power and 75 MPH works well for me. It is a real trial an
d error thing. I see 3400-3500 RPM on climb out at 60 MPH at 100%. Tie the p
lane down and shoot for about 3400 RPM static and you will be fairly close. B
e very careful not to run at full power very long on the ground. Watch your C
HTs and don't go over 375 degrees even if you have to power back a bit in th
e air. You can run a bit rich (to cool the engine) as long as you don't foul
the plugs by going too rich. I would run on the rich side early on to prote
ct the new engine. The valves are the weak if you get them too hot. Also I r
un my redrive belts loose to get things to run smooth. You will notice the e
ngine RPM surging if you get too loose. If so power back a bit till it holds
a steady RPM or you will burn the belts. I figure my engine as having 80 HP
.
>
> Good luck and have fun.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>
>
>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Dennis Rowe <rowedenny@windstream.net> wr
ote:
>>
>> Calling all VW Kolb drivers with the belt drives!
>> My friend Roger Sell is nearing completion of his Xtra and needs an educa
ted guess on where to set his prop pitch to be in the right neighborhood.
>> He has a Great Planes engine and a 1.6 to 1 Valley engineering redrive wi
th a 72 inch Powerfin F three blade prop. I think they say the engine is 100
hp?" Any suggestions on where he should start with his blade pitch would be a
ppreciated. I'm figuring 12 degrees for starters, idk?
>>
>> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
>> Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
>>
>>
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