---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 04/14/14: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:11 AM - Post your Kolb Pictures (william sullivan) 2. 05:42 AM - Re: Post your Kolb Pictures (Dennis Rowe) 3. 05:58 AM - Re: Post your Kolb Pictures (John Hauck) 4. 06:04 AM - Re: Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures (Herb) 5. 06:29 AM - Re: Post your Kolb Pictures (Dennis Rowe) 6. 06:58 AM - Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures (Tony Vitiello) 7. 07:40 AM - Re: Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures (undoctor) 8. 07:41 AM - Re: Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures (Michael Orth) 9. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures (Michael Orth) 10. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures (Dennis Rowe) 11. 09:50 AM - Firefly vs Firestar (Dennis Rowe) 12. 04:38 PM - Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures (Tony Vitiello) 13. 05:42 PM - Re: Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures (undoctor) 14. 06:52 PM - Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures (Rick Lewis) 15. 07:36 PM - Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures (George Alexander) 16. 08:23 PM - Re: Firefly vs Firestar (Tony Vitiello) 17. 08:32 PM - Re: Re: Firefly vs Firestar (prhoads61@frontiernet.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:42 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: Post your Kolb Pictures - Tony- Here is a link to a flight in Dave Kulp's Firefly "Flagfly".- I t was made by Don G., and is one of my favorite videos.- Go to full scree n, and turn the sound on.- =0A=0A- Go to this link, and go 3/4 of the w ay down the first page.- Click on the download of the video, and enjoy. =0A=0Ahttp://www.dgmodels.rchomepage.com/index.htm=0A=0A- =0A=0A--- ------------------------- ------------------------- --------- Bill Sullivan=0A---------- ------------------------- ------------------------- -- Windsor Locks, Ct.=0A--------------- ------------------------- ---------------------- FS 447 =0A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:26 AM PST US From: Dennis Rowe Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Post your Kolb Pictures This bird may be the finest example of a Firefly ever built. I would love to get a chance to fly it someday. Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA > On Apr 14, 2014, at 8:08 AM, william sullivan w rote: > > Tony- Here is a link to a flight in Dave Kulp's Firefly "Flagfly". It w as made by Don G., and is one of my favorite videos. Go to full screen, and turn the sound on. > Go to this link, and go 3/4 of the way down the first page. Click on th e download of the video, and enjoy. > > http://www.dgmodels.rchomepage.com/index.htm > > > Bill Sulliv an > Windsor Loc ks, Ct. > FS 447 > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:46 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Post your Kolb Pictures Here is a Firefly built by Brian Melborn for a customer in 2004. I had the opportunity to fly it at Sun and Fun 2004. Trying to remember correctly. Think I flew Don G's Firefly many years ago before he painted it in the flag scheme. Don was gracious enough to put me up for the night on a return flight from Oshkosh. Have no idea what year that was. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama This bird may be the finest example of a Firefly ever built. I would love to get a chance to fly it someday. Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:22 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures Did Don post an empty weight for his plane? Herb On 04/14/2014 12:07 AM, David Kulp wrote: > Hey Tony, > > Here are a couple of shots of my FF which is known as the FlagFly, > built by Don Gheradini. It has some custom work to the fabric on the > cockpit as well as an incredible paint job. Maybe some inspiration in > some way. Best wishes and enjoy the project. > > Dave Kulp > Bethlehem, PA > FireFly 11DMK > > > On 4/13/2014 11:58 PM, Tony Vitiello wrote: >> >> I like the 2 seat Kolbs but I am actually leaning towards a Firefly >> or Firestar build. I think I can afford to finish the project sooner >> with The FF or FS. >> >> I've flown a friend's Firefly and thought the handling was nice and >> responsive like many have said. Out of curiosity, how much different >> is the handling in the FS than the FF. I was amazed at how much >> better the Firefly handles than my Quicksilver. >> >> Any more pics guys? >> >> -------- >> Tony Vitiello >> St. Louis, MO >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421960#421960 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:36 AM PST US From: Dennis Rowe Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Post your Kolb Pictures The two Fireflys mentioned above are easy to get mixed up due to the very si milar paint. The one built by Don G and now owned my Mr Kulp has the single w ing strut instead of the stock double strut. Just adds to the overall sexine ss. =F0=9F=98=9C Both birds are near perfect. Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA > On Apr 14, 2014, at 8:58 AM, "John Hauck" wrote: > > Here is a Firefly built by Brian Melborn for a customer in 2004. > > I had the opportunity to fly it at Sun and Fun 2004. > > Trying to remember correctly. Think I flew Don G's Firefly many years ago before he painted it in the flag scheme. Don was gracious enough to put me up for the night on a return flight from Oshkosh. Have no idea what year t hat was. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > > This bird may be the finest example of a Firefly ever built. I would love t o get a chance to fly it someday. > > Dennis "Skid" Rowe > Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:52 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures From: "Tony Vitiello" I met Don G at the Midwest Light Sport Expo in Mt Vernon, IL. We were talking to the owner of another Firefly that was on display at the show. He mentioned his modifications to the wing struts. The Firefly I flew was right at 254 built with no brakes etc. How would a Firefly handle at gross weight of 500 lbs? Would be easy to get to that 500 lbs with me at 170 lbs plus 10 gallons of fuel and a Rotax 503. -------- Tony Vitiello St. Louis, MO Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421970#421970 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures From: undoctor SSB3ZWlnaGVkIGl0IHdpdGggYSBkaWdpdGFsIHNjYWxlIGFuZCB0d28gYmxvY2tzIG9mIHdvb2Qg ZXF1aXZhbGVudCBpbiBoZWlnaHQuIEl0IHdlaWdocyBqdXN0IG92ZXIgMzAwIyB3aXRob3V0IHRo ZSBCUlMuIEl0IGhhcyB0aGUgc3BsaXQgcmltIHdoZWVscyB3aXRoIGh5ZHJhdWxpYyBkaXNjIGJy YWtlcywgZXh0cmEgdHViaW5nIGZvciB0aGUgZW5oYW5jZWQgY29ja3BpdCBhbmQgY29tcGFydG1l bnQgZW5jbG9zdXJlLCBnZWFyIGxlZyBmYWlyaW5ncywgSSdtIHByZXR0eSBzdXJlIGEgbG9uZ2Vy IHRoYW4gc3RvY2sgRkYgbm9zZSBjb25lLiBBbHNvIHRoZSBzZWF0IGlzIGZpYmVyZ2xhcyB3aXRo IGEgcGFkZGVkIGNvdmVyIHdoaWNoIGlzIGxpa2VseSBoZWF2aWVyIHRoYW4gdGhlIGhhbW1vY2sg 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Have bookmarked your site and will check it when I need something. Thanks again, Michael ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- -----Original Message----- From: Tony Vitiello Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 6:58 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures I met Don G at the Midwest Light Sport Expo in Mt Vernon, IL. We were talking to the owner of another Firefly that was on display at the show. He mentioned his modifications to the wing struts. The Firefly I flew was right at 254 built with no brakes etc. How would a Firefly handle at gross weight of 500 lbs? Would be easy to get to that 500 lbs with me at 170 lbs plus 10 gallons of fuel and a Rotax 503. -------- Tony Vitiello St. Louis, MO Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421970#421970 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:45 AM PST US From: "Michael Orth" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures Tony, OOPS! Disregard my last. Michael ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- -----Original Message----- From: Tony Vitiello Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 6:58 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures I met Don G at the Midwest Light Sport Expo in Mt Vernon, IL. We were talking to the owner of another Firefly that was on display at the show. He mentioned his modifications to the wing struts. The Firefly I flew was right at 254 built with no brakes etc. How would a Firefly handle at gross weight of 500 lbs? Would be easy to get to that 500 lbs with me at 170 lbs plus 10 gallons of fuel and a Rotax 503. -------- Tony Vitiello St. Louis, MO Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421970#421970 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:30 AM PST US From: Dennis Rowe Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures Should be fine I would think. Definitely would have more than enough power. Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA > On Apr 14, 2014, at 9:58 AM, "Tony Vitiello" wrote: > > > I met Don G at the Midwest Light Sport Expo in Mt Vernon, IL. We were talking to the owner of another Firefly that was on display at the show. He mentioned his modifications to the wing struts. > > The Firefly I flew was right at 254 built with no brakes etc. How would a Firefly handle at gross weight of 500 lbs? Would be easy to get to that 500 lbs with me at 170 lbs plus 10 gallons of fuel and a Rotax 503. > > -------- > Tony Vitiello > St. Louis, MO > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421970#421970 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:24 AM PST US From: Dennis Rowe Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly vs Firestar My thoughts on the subject. If I had a 503 on the shelf and was trying to decide which of these to build and knew the Fly was going to be operated at gross weight and over powered, I would definitely choose the Firestar. Why not have a safety cushion and the extra lift of the 28 foot wing. A 503 powered Firestar is a rocket and nearly as sporty as the firefly. You would also have room for more than 10 gallons of fuel. My 2 cents. Make cheques payable too..... Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:25 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures From: "Tony Vitiello" No doubt on the power. These Fireflies are little rocket ships with a Rotax 447. No concerns about structural strength when flying at gross or somewhat over (500 lbs). I'd like to put a 10 gallon tank in a Firefly along with a 503 (because I already have a good 503 that is still pretty new). I weigh about 175 so I'd be close to gross weight with 10 gallons (full fuel for a cross country). rowedenny wrote: > Should be fine I would think. Definitely would have more than enough power. > > Dennis "Skid" Rowe > Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA > > > > > > On Apr 14, 2014, at 9:58 AM, "Tony Vitiello" wrote: > > > > > > > > I met Don G at the Midwest Light Sport Expo in Mt Vernon, IL. We were talking to the owner of another Firefly that was on display at the show. He mentioned his modifications to the wing struts. > > > > The Firefly I flew was right at 254 built with no brakes etc. How would a Firefly handle at gross weight of 500 lbs? Would be easy to get to that 500 lbs with me at 170 lbs plus 10 gallons of fuel and a Rotax 503. > > > > -------- > > Tony Vitiello > > St. Louis, MO > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421970#421970 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Tony Vitiello St. Louis, MO Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421990#421990 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:51 PM PST US Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures From: undoctor RG9uIGJ1aWx0IG15IEZsYWdGbHkgdG8gaG9sZCBhIDEwIGdhbGxvbiBDaGFsbGVuZ2VyIGZ1ZWwg dGFuay4gwqBJdCBmaXRzIG5pY2VseSBpbiB0aGUgc3BhY2UgYmVoaW5kIHRoZSBzZWF0LsKgCgpE YXZlIEt1bHAKCgpTZW50IGZyb20gbXkgVmVyaXpvbiBXaXJlbGVzcyA0RyBMVEUgU21hcnRwaG9u ZQoKLS0tLS0tLS0gT3JpZ2luYWwgbWVzc2FnZSAtLS0tLS0tLQpGcm9tOiBUb255IFZpdGllbGxv IDx0b255QHRncmFua2luLmNvbT4gCkRhdGU6MDQvMTQvMjAxNCAgNzozNyBQTSAgKEdNVC0wNTow 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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421992#421992 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:03 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Post Your Kolb Pictures From: "George Alexander" Rick Lewis wrote: > It would be nice to get lots of pictures of many kolbs planes but doesn't seem possible with out multiple searches. really is a shame.... Rick: Go to http://images.google.com Then in the search box put: kolb aircraft Plently of pictures -------- George Alexander FS II R503 N709FS http://www.oh2fly.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421993#421993 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:07 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly vs Firestar From: "Tony Vitiello" Dennis, Thanks for the input. That's pretty much what I've been thinking but I want to fully explore the Firefly before I rule it out. I've seen quite a few Fireflies that are built with many options and they still seem to fly good. The single strut Flagfly is apparently around 300 lbs empty and is said to handle the weight quite well. I believe the dual carb 503 weighs about 12 lbs more than a 447. I could maybe convert it to single card and save a few lbs. Also, with a 10 gallon tank you don't have to fill it for local flying which is what I do most often. I do like the option of the second seat (although very tight). I have 2 boys and it would be nice to take them up. Plus that second seat area is great for bringing extra gear along. It is a tough choice between these 2 planes. I appreciate everyone's input. -------- Tony Vitiello St. Louis, MO Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=421994#421994 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:27 PM PST US From: "prhoads61@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly vs Firestar Tony,=0A-=0AI've got a 503 Firestar close to you at Litchfield,IL. (3LF). You're welcome to check it out.=0APerry Rhoads=0AOn Monday, April 14, 2014 10:24 PM, Tony Vitiello wrote:=0A =0A--> Kolb-List me ssage posted by: "Tony Vitiello" =0A=0ADennis,=0A=0AThan ks for the input.- That's pretty much what I've been thinking but I want to fully explore the Firefly before I rule it out.- I've seen quite a few Fireflies that are built with many options and they still seem to fly good .- The single strut Flagfly is apparently around 300 lbs empty and is sai d to handle the weight quite well.=0A=0AI believe the dual carb 503 weighs about 12 lbs more than a 447.- I could maybe convert it to single card an d save a few lbs.- Also, with a 10 gallon tank you don't have to fill it for local flying which is what I do most often.- =0A=0AI do like the opti on of the second seat (although very tight).- I have 2 boys and it would be nice to take them up.- Plus that second seat area is great for bringin g extra gear along.- =0A=0AIt is a tough choice between these 2 planes. - I appreciate everyone's input.=0A=0A--------=0ATony Vitiello=0ASt. Loui s, MO=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matroni ========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.