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1. 07:37 AM - Re: reserve fuel tank test (Pat Ladd)
2. 07:43 AM - Re: Rock House fly-in (Pat Ladd)
3. 07:56 AM - Re: Re: help (Pat Ladd)
4. 08:07 AM - Re: reserve fuel tank test (racerjerry)
5. 08:57 AM - Re: reserve fuel tank test (Larry Cottrell)
6. 09:00 AM - Re: Re: reserve fuel tank test (Larry Cottrell)
7. 09:44 AM - Re: reserve fuel tank test (John Hauck)
8. 10:57 AM - Re: reserve fuel tank test (Charlie England)
9. 11:15 AM - Re: reserve fuel tank test (Larry Cottrell)
10. 12:47 PM - Re: reserve fuel tank test (John Hauck)
11. 05:51 PM - Re: Re: help (kinne russ)
12. 08:59 PM - Re: Aligning landing gear (west1m)
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| Subject: | Re: reserve fuel tank test |
Hi,
why do you make things so complicated? I ran my Xtra with 2 tanks. They
both fed equally at the same time. I never had an extra pump, a
selector, gascolator etc. I could see how much fuel there was in the
tanks by turning my head. When my neck got stiff I used a little mirror.
All these extras add weight and add to the list of things which can go
wrong.
First rule of building airplanes. SIMPLIFY AND ADD LIGHTNESS.
Pat
From: Larry Cottrell
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 4:10 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: reserve fuel tank test
My fuel system consists of two five gallon stock tanks from Kolb
.
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| Subject: | Re: Rock House fly-in |
Have fun fellas. I shall not forget the one and only time I made it. We
were on holiday and we drove to the Fly in from San Diego mainly using
the backroads
Afterward we drove down to Santa Fe and met some friends from the East
Coast. We also fell in with Big Lar who took us out around the mountains
to see all sorts of interesting places.
Pat
From: Larry Cottrell
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 11:18 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Rock House fly-in
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
Subject: Rock House fly-in
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We are holding our Rock House fly-in, May 31- June 1, 2014. 42 40.419
N
117 51.198 W . The physical address is 5070 Hwy 95 S, Jordan Valley
Oregon. Jordan Valley is the nearest town, but 52 miles away, so if you
are
planning to come, stock up before you leave what is commonly known as
"civilization". There is plenty of room to camp. Bring sunscreen, shade
is
rare. The area is high Desert, with spectacular, but scattered scenery.
Runway elevation is 4000 feet. Runway length is 2800 feet of dirt. There
is
also a 700 foot cross wind runway. If you are forced by wind to use it,
700
feet is quite long enough. Radio traffic use- 123.450. Phone number- 541
586
5030 - call if you plan to attend.
Larry Cottrell
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Don`t know Thunderbird. G mail has been suggested. Pat
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From: Richard Pike
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 1:21 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: help
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using it for our aircraft club email newsletters and it became selective
about how many of the Bcc addresses it would send, randomly leaving out
2/3's of the list.
Now I use Live Mail only for my incoming unimportant mail accounts, and
Thunderbird for the important stuff.
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Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
My soul shall be joyful in the LORD; It shall rejoice in His salvation.
Psalm 35:9
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| Subject: | Re: reserve fuel tank test |
Be careful with tiny in-tank filters; their capacity is so small that they can
plug solid and cause fuel starvation. Whenever I need real power, I am generally
in a nose-high attitude and consequently locate fuel pickups to the rear.
Also, with fuel lines taken from the top of the tanks, if both tanks are connected
together with a T fitting; when one tank sucks air you will get no fuel from
the second tank just more air. In my Kolb, with tandem tanks, apparently
venting pressures were not identical causing fuel levels not to equalize which
resulted in QUIET FLIGHT if fuel level in one tank was allowed to run too low.
Also, that is darned good advice: Don't forget to practice your "actual" dead stick
landings. Practice when the pressure is OFF and you are over friendly territory
/ nice long runway.
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Jerry King
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| Subject: | Re: reserve fuel tank test |
"why do you make things so complicated?"
Nothing much complicated about it. I choose which tank I want to run on, I
can monitor the levels in them. If I should have junk or water in the fuel,
it is kept from the engine. As for weight- I think I can tolerate the
extra weight that an extra 6 feet of fuel line adds. Of course I forgot the
selector switch- that should be almost an ounce there. The PVC that makes
up my gascolator might add 4 or 5 ounces. As for compensating for the facet
fuel pump, I handle that by taking a bathroom break before flying.
With my current setup, if necessary I can pull almost all the gas in the
tanks completely, if that should become necessary. I tried the tanks tied
together for a while, and found that I didn't like it. The biggest reason
was that due to the attitude that a Kolb flies in, one tank is almost a
gallon lower that the other. That means that an extra gallon of gas will be
left in the tanks when it starts sucking air. They never drew the same. I
don't always completely fill my tanks when I fly. Not much reason to carry
around an extra 30 pounds of fuel when I only plan to fly a short distance,
such as across England. :-)
Larry
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Pat Ladd <pj.ladd@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> why do you make things so complicated? I ran my Xtra with 2 tanks. They
> both fed equally at the same time. I never had an extra pump, a selector,
> gascolator etc. I could see how much fuel there was in the tanks by turning
> my head. When my neck got stiff I used a little mirror. All these extras
> add weight and add to the list of things which can go wrong.
>
> First rule of building airplanes. SIMPLIFY AND ADD LIGHTNESS.
>
> Pat
>
> *From:* Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 21, 2014 4:10 AM
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> *Subject:* Kolb-List: reserve fuel tank test
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| Subject: | Re: reserve fuel tank test |
" In my Kolb, with tandem tanks, apparently venting pressures were not
identical causing fuel levels not to equalize which resulted in QUIET
FLIGHT if fuel level in one tank was allowed to run too low."
I don't think that is due to air pressure, but due to the tail high
attitude that our Kolbs fly.
Larry
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 9:06 AM, racerjerry <gki@suffolk.lib.ny.us> wrote:
>
> Be careful with tiny in-tank filters; their capacity is so small that the
y
> can plug solid and cause fuel starvation. Whenever I need real power, I
am
> generally in a nose-high attitude and consequently locate fuel pickups to
> the rear.
>
> Also, with fuel lines taken from the top of the tanks, if both tanks are
> connected together with a T fitting; when one tank sucks air you will get
> no fuel from the second tank =93 just more air. In my Kolb, with t
andem
> tanks, apparently venting pressures were not identical causing fuel level
s
> not to equalize which resulted in QUIET FLIGHT if fuel level in one tank
> was allowed to run too low.
>
> Also, that is darned good advice: =9CDon't forget to practice your
"actual"
> dead stick landings.=9D Practice when the pressure is OFF and you
are over
> friendly territory / nice long runway.
>
> --------
> Jerry King
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422195#422195
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| Subject: | reserve fuel tank test |
Patrick L/Kolbers:
Adding lightness must be a British thing. Is that the opposite of
adding heaviness?
Scratching my head at hauck's holler, Alabama.
Yes, I remember the year Patrick and Windy Ladd (sp) visited us at the
Unplanned, Unorganized Kolb Flyin, Monument Valley, Utah. Think that
was probably 2006/7??? We haven't had one there since 2010, the one I
missed. Now we gather/roost at the Rock House near Burns Junction, OR.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
First rule of building airplanes. SIMPLIFY AND ADD LIGHTNESS.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: reserve fuel tank test |
It's American, but attributed to various people. I've often heard it
attributed to Kelly Johnson (Blackbird, etc), but..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Bushnell_Stout
The actual quote is 'simplicate and add lightness.' Eliminate anything
that isn't absolutely needed; keep what's left as light as possible.
Charlie
On 4/21/2014 11:44 AM, John Hauck wrote:
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> Patrick L/Kolbers:
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> Adding lightness must be a British thing.Is that the opposite of
> adding heaviness?
>
> Scratching my head at hauck's holler, Alabama.
>
> Yes, I remember the year Patrick and Windy Ladd (sp) visited us at the
> Unplanned, Unorganized Kolb Flyin, Monument Valley, Utah.Think that
> was probably 2006/7???We haven't had one there since 2010, the one I
> missed.Now we gather/roost at the Rock House near Burns Junction, OR.
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, Alabama
>
> First rule of building airplanes. SIMPLIFY AND ADD LIGHTNESS.
>
> Pat
>
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| Subject: | Re: reserve fuel tank test |
Patrick L/Kolbers:
Adding lightness must be a British thing. Is that the opposite of adding
heaviness?
I only described my system so that a reader could understand what I was
trying to discover. I assure you that it was not intended to advocate what
I use.
I have flown my Firestar for 17 years and 642 hours. I have tried every
variation of fuel setups that has been used by any and all. I discarded the
"tied or connected tanks" early because with tandem tanks the rear tank
being higher fed more of the fuel to the engine than the front one. Thus
leaving about a gallon or 6 pounds of fuel in the front tank when the back
one started sucking air. This system would effectively only have 7 gallons
of useful fuel before you reached your reserve. That would leave 3 gallons
as a reserve. One in the rear tank, and two in the front. Total of 18 lbs
of fuel. That covers a lot of fuel line. If you were to draw all of the
fuel out of the system while flying, you would only have 9 gallons ??? to
use.
My system is duplicated, (that's a good thing I hear, almost as good as
lightness) If one tank fails, I have another. My fuel is filtered twice
before it goes into the plane. Once at the station, and once out of my fuel
tank that I pump from. Once it gets into the planes tank it is filtered
there, then again before it gets to the carbs.
My test yesterday shows that I can burn almost all of the fuel in both
tanks. That extra gallon will give me about 20 miles less distance to walk.
Might not mean much to you, but it gets to be a struggle out here.
Again, my letter was not intended to suggest to anyone that my setup is the
best. It is however what I use, suit yourself. I personally worry less
about weight than I do reliability, and being suitable to my environment.
You do as you wish.
Larry
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| Subject: | reserve fuel tank test |
Makes sense.
Thanks for "enlightening" me. I need it.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie
England
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: reserve fuel tank test
It's American, but attributed to various people. I've often heard it
attributed to Kelly Johnson (Blackbird, etc), but..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Bushnell_Stout
The actual quote is 'simplicate and add lightness.' Eliminate anything
that isn't absolutely needed; keep what's left as light as possible.
Charlie
On 4/21/2014 11:44 AM, John Hauck wrote:
Patrick L/Kolbers:
Adding lightness must be a British thing. Is that the opposite of
adding heaviness?
Scratching my head at hauck's holler, Alabama.
Yes, I remember the year Patrick and Windy Ladd (sp) visited us at the
Unplanned, Unorganized Kolb Flyin, Monument Valley, Utah. Think that
was probably 2006/7??? We haven't had one there since 2010, the one I
missed. Now we gather/roost at the Rock House near Burns Junction, OR.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
First rule of building airplanes. SIMPLIFY AND ADD LIGHTNESS.
Pat
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FWIW Ive used gmail for a year with no problems, But I dont ask it to do much.
On Apr 21, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Pat Ladd wrote:
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> Don`t know Thunderbird. G mail has been suggested. Pat
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> -----Original Message----- From: Richard Pike
> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 1:21 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: help
>
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> I fought with Live Mail for a couple months, the final straw came as I was using
it for our aircraft club email newsletters and it became selective about how
many of the Bcc addresses it would send, randomly leaving out 2/3's of the
list.
>
> Now I use Live Mail only for my incoming unimportant mail accounts, and Thunderbird
for the important stuff.
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> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
> My soul shall be joyful in the LORD; It shall rejoice in His salvation. Psalm
35:9
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| Subject: | Re: Aligning landing gear |
I just purchased a used Firefly with some damage to the cage and fiberglass nosecone.
What is the bar in the picture? Is that some kind of protection for the
nose if it goes over? what is it attached to?
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