---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/30/14: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:28 AM - exhaust weight (west1m) 2. 06:34 AM - Re: exhaust weight (Charlie England) 3. 06:48 AM - Re: exhaust weight (west1m) 4. 07:19 AM - Re: exhaust weight (Dennis Rowe) 5. 07:49 AM - Re: exhaust weight (Robert Laird) 6. 08:03 AM - Re: exhaust weight (william sullivan) 7. 02:20 PM - Re: exhaust weight (west1m) 8. 03:58 PM - Re: Re: Uncoordinated flight help! (Richard Girard) 9. 04:04 PM - Re: Need Helmet/Headset Recommendation (Richard Girard) 10. 05:10 PM - Re: Need Helmet/Headset Recommendation (John Hauck) 11. 05:11 PM - Re: exhaust weight (Beauford) 12. 05:12 PM - Re: Re: Uncoordinated flight help! (John Hauck) 13. 05:17 PM - Re: exhaust weight (B Young) 14. 05:18 PM - Re: exhaust weight (Robert Laird) 15. 05:27 PM - Re: exhaust weight (B Young) 16. 05:38 PM - control surface tapes (Stuart Harner) 17. 05:44 PM - Re: exhaust weight (kinne russ) 18. 05:47 PM - Re: exhaust weight (B Young) 19. 05:52 PM - Re: control surface tapes (kinne russ) 20. 06:23 PM - 447 engine to Stuart (Herb) 21. 06:30 PM - Re: control surface tapes (Dennis Rowe) 22. 07:48 PM - Re: Need Helmet/Headset Recommendation (Rick Neilsen) 23. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: exhaust weight (william sullivan) 24. 08:30 PM - Re: Re: Uncoordinated flight help! (Richard Girard) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:45 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: exhaust weight From: "west1m" Looking to loose a couple of pounds, does anyone make an aluminum exhaust elbow and muffler? Or is this just too hot for aluminum? -------- West1m Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422580#422580 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:27 AM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: exhaust weight On 4/30/2014 7:23 AM, west1m wrote: > > Looking to loose a couple of pounds, does anyone make an aluminum exhaust elbow and muffler? Or is this just too hot for aluminum? > > -------- > West1m > Aluminum melts at less than 1300 degrees F. EGT's are usually higher than that. Even if it doesn't melt immediately, it will be so weak that it will certainly fail. Charlie ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:08 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: exhaust weight From: "west1m" Hmmm.. You are so correct, very low melting point. I should have looked that up before I asked. I didn't think it had such a low melting temp being the rest of the motor is made of aluminum, like pistons , exhaust ports etc... -------- West1m Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422587#422587 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:57 AM PST US From: Dennis Rowe Subject: Re: Kolb-List: exhaust weight Too hot, stick with stock stuff. Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA > On Apr 30, 2014, at 8:23 AM, "west1m" wrote: > > > Looking to loose a couple of pounds, does anyone make an aluminum exhaust elbow and muffler? Or is this just too hot for aluminum? > > -------- > West1m > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422580#422580 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: exhaust weight From: Robert Laird Eat just an apple for lunch for two weeks .... you'll lose a couple of pounds! :-) On Wednesday, April 30, 2014, Dennis Rowe wrote: > > > > Too hot, stick with stock stuff. > > Dennis "Skid" Rowe > Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA > > > > On Apr 30, 2014, at 8:23 AM, "west1m" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Looking to loose a couple of pounds, does anyone make an aluminum > exhaust elbow and muffler? Or is this just too hot for aluminum? > > > > -------- > > West1m > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422580#422580 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:26 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Re: Kolb-List: exhaust weight - I believe somebody makes a titanium muffler that will fit.=0A=0A-- ------------------------- ------------------------- ----- Bill Sullivan=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________________ _=0A From: west1m =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASen t: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 8:23 AM=0ASubject: Kolb-List: exhaust weight =0ALooking to loose a couple of pounds, does anyone make an aluminum exhaus t elbow and muffler? Or is this just too hot for aluminum?=0A=0A--------=0A West1m=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matron =- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle ======== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:20:52 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: exhaust weight From: "west1m" Titanium... Sounds expensive! Didn't one of the Corvettes have one? I think I saw one parked up the street... -------- West1m Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422619#422619 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Uncoordinated flight help! From: Richard Girard Adam, Attached is the Kolb factory trim tab drawing. Rick Girard On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Adam Canterbury wrote: > canterbury.adam@gmail.com> > > I think I would be well suited to model a new trim tab like yours and go > from there. Thanks so much! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422478#422478 > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:13 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Need Helmet/Headset Recommendation From: Richard Girard I've flown with ANC headphones and they creep me out. I want headphones that protect my hearing but still let the airplane talk to me. Old school I guess. Rick Girard do not archive On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Rick Neilsen wrote: > >> Adam >> >> do your own research and you will get some good advice from the group. I >> have walked by the Bose tent hundreds of times, they have a low frequency >> noise they generate that their headphones (seems like they are one of the >> best?) do a real good job filtering out. My redrive VW produces a higher >> frequency noise and Rotax engines are even higher frequency that noise >> canceling headphone have trouble stopping. I have a Sigtronics headset that >> I have installed the Headsets noise canceling kit in. It does a fair job >> but needs help. I wear the in the ear canal ear phones (low profile) under >> my headsets and the two do a real good job. >> >> Rick Neilsen >> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC >> >> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Head phones are funny. I have a Sigtronics S45 that works quite well for >>> me. The reason that they don't work better is that the spring holding the >>> headset to your head is a little weak. I just installed a strap that will >>> allow me to pull it tight under my chin, so that it will block more of the >>> noise. If I did not wear glasses and have a beard, I am sure that it would >>> do a better job. I did install the gel ear pads, and they helped a lot. >>> >> > I have a friend that put ANL into the same set and he likes it a lot. It > is worse than the ones that I have-- to me. He has tried mine and the noise > is much worse, so its not the headsets, it is my ears, and the frequency. I > had a DRE anr headset that I sold because it was not as quiet as my Sigs. > Others swear by them. You are just going to have to try them to see which > fits you. > > The Bose are a bit out of my price range, so I cannot comment on them. The > David Clark are good headsets, but they squeeze my head like a zit, and I > cannot wear them for very long until it becomes a distraction. > > Of all the cheap (reasonable ) headsets out there, Sigtronics are the best. > > Good luck, > Larry > > >> * >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> * >> >> > > > -- > *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending.* > > * > > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:58 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Need Helmet/Headset Recommendation Rick G/Kolbers: You'll never have a problem letting the airplane talk if it is a Kolb, no matter what you wear on your head. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama I've flown with ANC headphones and they creep me out. I want headphones that protect my hearing but still let the airplane talk to me. Old school I guess. Rick Girard ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:44 PM PST US From: "Beauford " Subject: RE: Kolb-List: exhaust weight Brother Laird: Tried the apple lunch thing didn=99t much work Am beginning to suspect the olives. will report back later 213 beauford FF-076 Do Not Archive From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Laird Subject: Re: Kolb-List: exhaust weight Eat just an apple for lunch for two weeks .... you'll lose a couple of pounds! :-) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:19 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Uncoordinated flight help! Rick G/Kolbers: I'll be darn. That factory trim tab looks just like the one I posted a few days ago. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama Adam, Attached is the Kolb factory trim tab drawing. Rick Girard ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:34 PM PST US Subject: RE: Kolb-List: exhaust weight From: B Young Eating apples for lunch doesn't work as well when you add the filling and pie crust Do not archive Boyd ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:18:02 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: exhaust weight From: Robert Laird I said apple, not appletini, good sir! :-) On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Beauford wrot e: > > > Brother Laird: > > > Tried the apple lunch thing didn=99t much work > > > Am beginning to suspect the olives. will report back later > > > 213 beauford > > FF-076 > > Do Not Archive > > *From:* owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert Laird > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: exhaust weight > > > Eat just an apple for lunch for two weeks .... you'll lose a couple of > pounds! :-) > > > * > =========== onics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: exhaust weight From: B Young And good sir, ,, I said when apples resemble Apple pie,,, it don't work as good as plane oll Apple's from the tree. When u add the sugar corn starch flower eggs cinnamon and lard,,,, it just don't work fer diet food Do not archive Boyd ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:54 PM PST US From: "Stuart Harner" Subject: Kolb-List: control surface tapes OK, I have unsubscribed and re-subscribed to see if the list server will accept my messages. Guys, Did you put tapes over the ribs on the control surfaces of your Kolb's? I don't see anything in the instructions saying to do so, but I would thing that anyplace the fabric touches framework there should be a finishing tape. All the tail feathers on my Firefly are now covered and shrunk. I am ready to apply perimeter tapes and got to thinking that the ribs on the elevators and rudder should also be taped. What say you? Thanks, Stuart ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:14 PM PST US From: kinne russ Subject: Re: Kolb-List: exhaust weight Brer Beauford I think it's those fat ice cubes. do not archive Russ K On Apr 30, 2014, at 8:11 PM, Beauford wrote: > > Brother Laird: > > Tried the apple lunch thing=85 didn=92t much work=85 > > Am beginning to suspect the olives=85. will report back later=85 > > 213 beauford > FF-076 > Do Not Archive > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Laird > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: exhaust weight > > Eat just an apple for lunch for two weeks .... you'll lose a couple of pounds! :-) > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: exhaust weight From: B Young I reassembly that On Apr 30, 2014 6:46 PM, "kinne russ" wrote: > Brer Beauford > I think it's those fat ice cubes. > do not archive > Russ K > > On Apr 30, 2014, at 8:11 PM, Beauford wrote: > > > Brother Laird: > > > Tried the apple lunch thing didn=99t much work > > > Am beginning to suspect the olives. will report back later > > > 213 beauford > > FF-076 > > Do Not Archive > > *From:* owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert Laird > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: exhaust weight > > > Eat just an apple for lunch for two weeks .... you'll lose a couple of > pounds! :-) > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com/ ">http ://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > > > * > =========== onics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:52 PM PST US From: kinne russ Subject: Re: Kolb-List: control surface tapes Stuart I bought a damaged Xtra, built by a very fine craftsman. Wing has reinforcing tape (1/2" wide) over the fabric and under the big-head rivets. Then finishing tape over that, and 4" bias tape over leading & training edges. Flaperons have 1-1/2" tape over all ribs & struts, bigger tapes over leading/trailing edges. Hope this helps Russ K On Apr 30, 2014, at 8:38 PM, Stuart Harner wrote: > OK, I have unsubscribed and re-subscribed to see if the list server will accept my messages. > > Guys, > > Did you put tapes over the ribs on the control surfaces of your Kolb=92s? > > I don=92t see anything in the instructions saying to do so, but I would thing that anyplace the fabric touches framework there should be a finishing tape. > > All the tail feathers on my Firefly are now covered and shrunk. I am ready to apply perimeter tapes and got to thinking that the ribs on the elevators and rudder should also be taped. > > What say you? > > Thanks, > > Stuart ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:24 PM PST US From: Herb Subject: Kolb-List: 447 engine to Stuart Stuart bought my 13 hour 447....and did not want the electric start... any takers? Same 13 hours...right angle starter mount..Made by GPL...may fit other Rotax engines? $557 new...apply for discount...:-) Herb ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:08 PM PST US From: Dennis Rowe Subject: Re: Kolb-List: control surface tapes I taped mine Dennis "Skid" Rowe Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA > On Apr 30, 2014, at 8:38 PM, "Stuart Harner" wrote : > > OK, I have unsubscribed and re-subscribed to see if the list server will a ccept my messages. > > Guys, > > Did you put tapes over the ribs on the control surfaces of your Kolb =99s? > > I don=99t see anything in the instructions saying to do so, but I wo uld thing that anyplace the fabric touches framework there should be a finis hing tape. > > All the tail feathers on my Firefly are now covered and shrunk. I am read y to apply perimeter tapes and got to thinking that the ribs on the elevator s and rudder should also be taped. > > What say you? > > Thanks, > > Stuart > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Need Helmet/Headset Recommendation From: Rick Neilsen Right on John Maybe its our age or maybe the damage we have already done to our ears but having my ears ringing, more than it already do, after a flight is not something I enjoy. I can hear my engine whispering to me just fine. I can hear radio transmissions and even recognise their voices. A good ANC headphone with passive ear phones under them as another layer of noise reduction is really nice in my Kolb. Creepy......... is watching someone talk to you and not hearing their voice. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 8:10 PM, John Hauck wrote: > Rick G/Kolbers: > > > You'll never have a problem letting the airplane talk if it is a Kolb, no > matter what you wear on your head. > > > john h > > mkIII > > Titus, Alabama > > I've flown with ANC headphones and they creep me out. I want headphones > that protect my hearing but still let the airplane talk to me. Old school I > guess. > > > Rick Girard > > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:17 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: exhaust weight - I looked it up once.- Titanium mufflers are made for motorcycles.- I seem to remember that the price wasn't too bad, compared to Rotax.- Hav e to check the flow rate, but sounds like one for a 450 would work.=0A=0A ------------------------- ------------------------- ----------------- Bill Sullivan=0A=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: west1m =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 5:20 PM =0ASubject: Kolb-List: Re: exhaust weight=0A =0A=0A--> Kolb-List message po sted by: "west1m" =0A=0ATitanium... Sounds expensive! D idn't one of the Corvettes have one?=0AI think I saw one parked up the stre et...=0A=0A--------=0AWest1m=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=422619#422619=0A=0A=0A=0A ================= ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Uncoordinated flight help! From: Richard Girard John, I took the tab off "The Plane from Hell" and tried to fly it. It was okay, if you like flying sideways or getting a big cramp in your left leg trying to make the airplane fly straight. Put it back per the Kolb plans and the aircraft was once again easy to fly and keep the yaw string centered. I only wish I'd been able to put my engine on it and test that configuration. Rick On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 7:12 PM, John Hauck wrote: > Rick G/Kolbers: > > > I'll be darn. That factory trim tab looks just like the one I posted a > few days ago. > > > john h > > mkIII > > Titus, Alabama > > > Adam, Attached is the Kolb factory trim tab drawing. > > > Rick Girard > > > * > > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.