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1. 09:44 AM - to inject or not to inject... (Nick Cassara)
2. 12:31 PM - Re: to inject or not to inject... (Larry Cottrell)
3. 01:58 PM - Re: Oil injection? (George Alexander)
4. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: Oil injection? (Larry Cottrell)
5. 05:02 PM - Re: Re: Oil injection? (B Young)
6. 05:08 PM - Re: Re: Oil injection? (kinne russ)
7. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: Oil injection? (B Young)
8. 09:18 PM - Kolb STOL (alienwes)
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Subject: | to inject or not to inject... |
Hello Kolb Flyers,
I claim Not to be an expert about oil injection, and most other things too.
So here is one small data point for you to consider. Many years ago when
Johnson came out with a new oil injected 70 hp outboard we were given one to
use on a fall project. The oil was in a remote tank in the back of the boat.
The cold moved in early that fall and we ended up killing the motor due to
Oil starvation.the oil was too cold to flow well. The newer motors soon came
out with the injection oil under the cowling, to keep it warm. I hope to fly
in cold weather, and even thought I dislike premixing gas and oil. that is
what I will be doing; until Airbus sells me an Electric Fan motor to put on
my Kolbra!J
Enjoy,
Nick
Palmer, AK
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Subject: | Re: to inject or not to inject... |
Thanks for the comment. I began to wonder if every one mixed their oil, or
I was about the only one monitoring it.
Larry
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Nick Cassara <nickc@mtaonline.net> wrote:
> Hello Kolb Flyers,
>
>
> I claim *Not* to be an expert about oil injection, and most other things
> too. So here is one small data point for you to consider. Many years ago
> when Johnson came out with a new oil injected 70 hp outboard we were give
n
> one to use on a fall project. The oil was in a remote tank in the back of
> the boat. The cold moved in early that fall and we ended up killing the
> motor due to Oil starvationthe oil was too cold to flow well. Th
e newer
> motors soon came out with the injection oil under the cowling, to keep it
> warm. I hope to fly in cold weather, and even thought I dislike premixing
> gas and oil that is what I will be doing; until Airbus sells me
an
> Electric Fan motor to put on my Kolbra!J
>
>
> Enjoy,
>
>
> Nick
>
>
> Palmer, AK
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Subject: | Re: Oil injection? |
lcottrell wrote:
>
>
> ......SNIP.....
> I would appreciate all comments good or bad about this feature, so that he can
make up his mind about whether to leave it on the engine or not. Thanks for
all input,
> Larry
>
Pre-mix.
Not a big deal to do it. I have control over what's going into that engine. I
fill 6 gal cans with gas and at 50:1, that's a pint of oil. (Oil goes in the can
first, then the gas. Gets a good mixing that way.) Required simplicity for
a simple mind. A dis-advantage is that it is a little more of a bother if you
are fueling at an airport fuel pump. Have to calculate how much oil you need
based on how much fuel you are taking on and then making sure the oil gets mixed
in well enough.
Injection.
Just one more mechanical thing that can fail. Don't hear of it often, but you
only need once. Based on an incident (I believe at Oshkosh), having the oil tank
mounted to the rear of the engine and doing repeated steep climb outs is something
that should be avoided. Oil starvation can cause the two stroke to get
a little testy and want to quit working. Travis may be able to correct or
corroborate this.
As Beauford says.... Worth what you paid fer it.
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FS II R503 N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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Subject: | Re: Oil injection? |
Thanks for your thoughts.
Larry
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 2:57 PM, George Alexander <gtalexander@att.net>
wrote:
>
>
> lcottrell wrote:
> >
> >
> > ......SNIP.....
> > I would appreciate all comments good or bad about this feature, so that
> he can make up his mind about whether to leave it on the engine or not.
> Thanks for all input,
> > Larry
> >
>
>
> Pre-mix.
> Not a big deal to do it. I have control over what's going into that
> engine. I fill 6 gal cans with gas and at 50:1, that's a pint of oil. (Oil
> goes in the can first, then the gas. Gets a good mixing that way.)
> Required simplicity for a simple mind. A dis-advantage is that it is a
> little more of a bother if you are fueling at an airport fuel pump. Have
> to calculate how much oil you need based on how much fuel you are taking on
> and then making sure the oil gets mixed in well enough.
>
> Injection.
> Just one more mechanical thing that can fail. Don't hear of it often, but
> you only need once. Based on an incident (I believe at Oshkosh), having
> the oil tank mounted to the rear of the engine and doing repeated steep
> climb outs is something that should be avoided. Oil starvation can cause
> the two stroke to get a little testy and want to quit working. Travis may
> be able to correct or corroborate this.
>
> As Beauford says.... Worth what you paid fer it.
>
> --------
> George Alexander
> FS II R503 N709FS
> http://www.oh2fly.net
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426956#426956
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Subject: | Re: Oil injection? |
I had an oil injection on a snow Mobile go bad. Twice. Had to rebuild
twice... changed to pre mix and never looked back
Boyd
On Jul 19, 2014 3:00 PM, "George Alexander" <gtalexander@att.net> wrote:
>
>
> lcottrell wrote:
> >
> >
> > ......SNIP.....
> > I would appreciate all comments good or bad about this feature, so that
> he can make up his mind about whether to leave it on the engine or not.
> Thanks for all input,
> > Larry
> >
>
>
> Pre-mix.
> Not a big deal to do it. I have control over what's going into that
> engine. I fill 6 gal cans with gas and at 50:1, that's a pint of oil. (Oil
> goes in the can first, then the gas. Gets a good mixing that way.)
> Required simplicity for a simple mind. A dis-advantage is that it is a
> little more of a bother if you are fueling at an airport fuel pump. Have
> to calculate how much oil you need based on how much fuel you are taking on
> and then making sure the oil gets mixed in well enough.
>
> Injection.
> Just one more mechanical thing that can fail. Don't hear of it often, but
> you only need once. Based on an incident (I believe at Oshkosh), having
> the oil tank mounted to the rear of the engine and doing repeated steep
> climb outs is something that should be avoided. Oil starvation can cause
> the two stroke to get a little testy and want to quit working. Travis may
> be able to correct or corroborate this.
>
> As Beauford says.... Worth what you paid fer it.
>
> --------
> George Alexander
> FS II R503 N709FS
> http://www.oh2fly.net
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426956#426956
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Oil injection? |
Boyd
Can you tell us what engine went south with no oil?
Thanx, Russ
do not archive
On Jul 19, 2014, at 8:01 PM, B Young wrote:
> I had an oil injection on a snow Mobile go bad. Twice. Had to rebuild
twice... changed to pre mix and never looked back
>
> Boyd
>
> On Jul 19, 2014 3:00 PM, "George Alexander" <gtalexander@att.net>
wrote:
<gtalexander@att.net>
>
>
> lcottrell wrote:
> >
> >
> > ......SNIP.....
> > I would appreciate all comments good or bad about this feature, so
that he can make up his mind about whether to leave it on the engine or
not. Thanks for all input,
> > Larry
> >
>
>
> Pre-mix.
> Not a big deal to do it. I have control over what's going into that
engine. I fill 6 gal cans with gas and at 50:1, that's a pint of oil.
(Oil goes in the can first, then the gas. Gets a good mixing that way.)
Required simplicity for a simple mind. A dis-advantage is that it is a
little more of a bother if you are fueling at an airport fuel pump.
Have to calculate how much oil you need based on how much fuel you are
taking on and then making sure the oil gets mixed in well enough.
>
> Injection.
> Just one more mechanical thing that can fail. Don't hear of it often,
but you only need once. Based on an incident (I believe at Oshkosh),
having the oil tank mounted to the rear of the engine and doing repeated
steep climb outs is something that should be avoided. Oil starvation
can cause the two stroke to get a little testy and want to quit working.
Travis may be able to correct or corroborate this.
>
> As Beauford says.... Worth what you paid fer it.
>
> --------
> George Alexander
> FS II R503 N709FS
> http://www.oh2fly.net
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426956#426956
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Subject: | Re: Oil injection? |
It was on a 1985 Yamaha phaser
Boyd
On Jul 19, 2014 6:10 PM, "kinne russ" <russk50@gmail.com> wrote:
> Boyd
> Can you tell us what engine went south with no oil?
> Thanx, Russ
> do not archive
>
> On Jul 19, 2014, at 8:01 PM, B Young wrote:
>
> I had an oil injection on a snow Mobile go bad. Twice. Had to rebuild
> twice... changed to pre mix and never looked back
>
> Boyd
> On Jul 19, 2014 3:00 PM, "George Alexander" <gtalexander@att.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> lcottrell wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > ......SNIP.....
>> > I would appreciate all comments good or bad about this feature, so that
>> he can make up his mind about whether to leave it on the engine or not.
>> Thanks for all input,
>> > Larry
>> >
>>
>>
>> Pre-mix.
>> Not a big deal to do it. I have control over what's going into that
>> engine. I fill 6 gal cans with gas and at 50:1, that's a pint of oil. (Oil
>> goes in the can first, then the gas. Gets a good mixing that way.)
>> Required simplicity for a simple mind. A dis-advantage is that it is a
>> little more of a bother if you are fueling at an airport fuel pump. Have
>> to calculate how much oil you need based on how much fuel you are taking on
>> and then making sure the oil gets mixed in well enough.
>>
>> Injection.
>> Just one more mechanical thing that can fail. Don't hear of it often,
>> but you only need once. Based on an incident (I believe at Oshkosh),
>> having the oil tank mounted to the rear of the engine and doing repeated
>> steep climb outs is something that should be avoided. Oil starvation can
>> cause the two stroke to get a little testy and want to quit working.
>> Travis may be able to correct or corroborate this.
>>
>> As Beauford says.... Worth what you paid fer it.
>>
>> --------
>> George Alexander
>> FS II R503 N709FS
>> http://www.oh2fly.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426956#426956
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Can a Kolb Mark 3 take off like other STOL aircraft? I have been watching youtube
videos on short takeoffs. Lots of Zenith, Kitfox, and Cubs. Is is just because
their are less Kolb out there?
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Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
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