---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/19/14: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:44 AM - to inject or not to inject... (Nick Cassara) 2. 12:31 PM - Re: to inject or not to inject... (Larry Cottrell) 3. 01:58 PM - Re: Oil injection? (George Alexander) 4. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: Oil injection? (Larry Cottrell) 5. 05:02 PM - Re: Re: Oil injection? (B Young) 6. 05:08 PM - Re: Re: Oil injection? (kinne russ) 7. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: Oil injection? (B Young) 8. 09:18 PM - Kolb STOL (alienwes) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:44:20 AM PST US From: "Nick Cassara" Subject: Kolb-List: to inject or not to inject... Hello Kolb Flyers, I claim Not to be an expert about oil injection, and most other things too. So here is one small data point for you to consider. Many years ago when Johnson came out with a new oil injected 70 hp outboard we were given one to use on a fall project. The oil was in a remote tank in the back of the boat. The cold moved in early that fall and we ended up killing the motor due to Oil starvation.the oil was too cold to flow well. The newer motors soon came out with the injection oil under the cowling, to keep it warm. I hope to fly in cold weather, and even thought I dislike premixing gas and oil. that is what I will be doing; until Airbus sells me an Electric Fan motor to put on my Kolbra!J Enjoy, Nick Palmer, AK ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: to inject or not to inject... From: Larry Cottrell Thanks for the comment. I began to wonder if every one mixed their oil, or I was about the only one monitoring it. Larry On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Nick Cassara wrote: > Hello Kolb Flyers, > > > I claim *Not* to be an expert about oil injection, and most other things > too. So here is one small data point for you to consider. Many years ago > when Johnson came out with a new oil injected 70 hp outboard we were give n > one to use on a fall project. The oil was in a remote tank in the back of > the boat. The cold moved in early that fall and we ended up killing the > motor due to Oil starvationthe oil was too cold to flow well. Th e newer > motors soon came out with the injection oil under the cowling, to keep it > warm. I hope to fly in cold weather, and even thought I dislike premixing > gas and oil that is what I will be doing; until Airbus sells me an > Electric Fan motor to put on my Kolbra!J > > > Enjoy, > > > Nick > > > Palmer, AK > > * > =========== onics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:58:12 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Oil injection? From: "George Alexander" lcottrell wrote: > > > ......SNIP..... > I would appreciate all comments good or bad about this feature, so that he can make up his mind about whether to leave it on the engine or not. Thanks for all input, > Larry > Pre-mix. Not a big deal to do it. I have control over what's going into that engine. I fill 6 gal cans with gas and at 50:1, that's a pint of oil. (Oil goes in the can first, then the gas. Gets a good mixing that way.) Required simplicity for a simple mind. A dis-advantage is that it is a little more of a bother if you are fueling at an airport fuel pump. Have to calculate how much oil you need based on how much fuel you are taking on and then making sure the oil gets mixed in well enough. Injection. Just one more mechanical thing that can fail. Don't hear of it often, but you only need once. Based on an incident (I believe at Oshkosh), having the oil tank mounted to the rear of the engine and doing repeated steep climb outs is something that should be avoided. Oil starvation can cause the two stroke to get a little testy and want to quit working. Travis may be able to correct or corroborate this. As Beauford says.... Worth what you paid fer it. -------- George Alexander FS II R503 N709FS http://www.oh2fly.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426956#426956 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:39 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Oil injection? From: Larry Cottrell Thanks for your thoughts. Larry On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 2:57 PM, George Alexander wrote: > > > lcottrell wrote: > > > > > > ......SNIP..... > > I would appreciate all comments good or bad about this feature, so that > he can make up his mind about whether to leave it on the engine or not. > Thanks for all input, > > Larry > > > > > Pre-mix. > Not a big deal to do it. I have control over what's going into that > engine. I fill 6 gal cans with gas and at 50:1, that's a pint of oil. (Oil > goes in the can first, then the gas. Gets a good mixing that way.) > Required simplicity for a simple mind. A dis-advantage is that it is a > little more of a bother if you are fueling at an airport fuel pump. Have > to calculate how much oil you need based on how much fuel you are taking on > and then making sure the oil gets mixed in well enough. > > Injection. > Just one more mechanical thing that can fail. Don't hear of it often, but > you only need once. Based on an incident (I believe at Oshkosh), having > the oil tank mounted to the rear of the engine and doing repeated steep > climb outs is something that should be avoided. Oil starvation can cause > the two stroke to get a little testy and want to quit working. Travis may > be able to correct or corroborate this. > > As Beauford says.... Worth what you paid fer it. > > -------- > George Alexander > FS II R503 N709FS > http://www.oh2fly.net > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426956#426956 > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Oil injection? From: B Young I had an oil injection on a snow Mobile go bad. Twice. Had to rebuild twice... changed to pre mix and never looked back Boyd On Jul 19, 2014 3:00 PM, "George Alexander" wrote: > > > lcottrell wrote: > > > > > > ......SNIP..... > > I would appreciate all comments good or bad about this feature, so that > he can make up his mind about whether to leave it on the engine or not. > Thanks for all input, > > Larry > > > > > Pre-mix. > Not a big deal to do it. I have control over what's going into that > engine. I fill 6 gal cans with gas and at 50:1, that's a pint of oil. (Oil > goes in the can first, then the gas. Gets a good mixing that way.) > Required simplicity for a simple mind. A dis-advantage is that it is a > little more of a bother if you are fueling at an airport fuel pump. Have > to calculate how much oil you need based on how much fuel you are taking on > and then making sure the oil gets mixed in well enough. > > Injection. > Just one more mechanical thing that can fail. Don't hear of it often, but > you only need once. Based on an incident (I believe at Oshkosh), having > the oil tank mounted to the rear of the engine and doing repeated steep > climb outs is something that should be avoided. Oil starvation can cause > the two stroke to get a little testy and want to quit working. Travis may > be able to correct or corroborate this. > > As Beauford says.... Worth what you paid fer it. > > -------- > George Alexander > FS II R503 N709FS > http://www.oh2fly.net > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426956#426956 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:20 PM PST US From: kinne russ Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Oil injection? Boyd Can you tell us what engine went south with no oil? Thanx, Russ do not archive On Jul 19, 2014, at 8:01 PM, B Young wrote: > I had an oil injection on a snow Mobile go bad. Twice. Had to rebuild twice... changed to pre mix and never looked back > > Boyd > > On Jul 19, 2014 3:00 PM, "George Alexander" wrote: > > > lcottrell wrote: > > > > > > ......SNIP..... > > I would appreciate all comments good or bad about this feature, so that he can make up his mind about whether to leave it on the engine or not. Thanks for all input, > > Larry > > > > > Pre-mix. > Not a big deal to do it. I have control over what's going into that engine. I fill 6 gal cans with gas and at 50:1, that's a pint of oil. (Oil goes in the can first, then the gas. Gets a good mixing that way.) Required simplicity for a simple mind. A dis-advantage is that it is a little more of a bother if you are fueling at an airport fuel pump. Have to calculate how much oil you need based on how much fuel you are taking on and then making sure the oil gets mixed in well enough. > > Injection. > Just one more mechanical thing that can fail. Don't hear of it often, but you only need once. Based on an incident (I believe at Oshkosh), having the oil tank mounted to the rear of the engine and doing repeated steep climb outs is something that should be avoided. Oil starvation can cause the two stroke to get a little testy and want to quit working. Travis may be able to correct or corroborate this. > > As Beauford says.... Worth what you paid fer it. > > -------- > George Alexander > FS II R503 N709FS > http://www.oh2fly.net > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426956#426956 > > > > > > > > ========== > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > ========== > MS - > k">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > e - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Oil injection? From: B Young It was on a 1985 Yamaha phaser Boyd On Jul 19, 2014 6:10 PM, "kinne russ" wrote: > Boyd > Can you tell us what engine went south with no oil? > Thanx, Russ > do not archive > > On Jul 19, 2014, at 8:01 PM, B Young wrote: > > I had an oil injection on a snow Mobile go bad. Twice. Had to rebuild > twice... changed to pre mix and never looked back > > Boyd > On Jul 19, 2014 3:00 PM, "George Alexander" wrote: > >> >> >> lcottrell wrote: >> > >> > >> > ......SNIP..... >> > I would appreciate all comments good or bad about this feature, so that >> he can make up his mind about whether to leave it on the engine or not. >> Thanks for all input, >> > Larry >> > >> >> >> Pre-mix. >> Not a big deal to do it. I have control over what's going into that >> engine. I fill 6 gal cans with gas and at 50:1, that's a pint of oil. (Oil >> goes in the can first, then the gas. Gets a good mixing that way.) >> Required simplicity for a simple mind. A dis-advantage is that it is a >> little more of a bother if you are fueling at an airport fuel pump. Have >> to calculate how much oil you need based on how much fuel you are taking on >> and then making sure the oil gets mixed in well enough. >> >> Injection. >> Just one more mechanical thing that can fail. Don't hear of it often, >> but you only need once. Based on an incident (I believe at Oshkosh), >> having the oil tank mounted to the rear of the engine and doing repeated >> steep climb outs is something that should be avoided. Oil starvation can >> cause the two stroke to get a little testy and want to quit working. >> Travis may be able to correct or corroborate this. >> >> As Beauford says.... Worth what you paid fer it. >> >> -------- >> George Alexander >> FS II R503 N709FS >> http://www.oh2fly.net >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=426956#426956 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> ========== >> MS - >> k">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> e - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> > > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:11 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb STOL From: "alienwes" Can a Kolb Mark 3 take off like other STOL aircraft? I have been watching youtube videos on short takeoffs. Lots of Zenith, Kitfox, and Cubs. 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