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1. 02:31 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 07/21/14 (kkcmax)
2. 06:08 AM - Re: Re: to inject or not to inject... (Gary Aman)
3. 06:11 AM - Re: Re: to inject or not to inject... (Gary Aman)
4. 04:04 PM - Re: Oil injection? (pipercolt)
5. 07:14 PM - Re: Re: Oil injection? (jimbaker@npacc.net)
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| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 07/21/14 |
Prime lines go to the carbs. Injection lines go to the manifolds
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1. 05:50 AM - Re: Oil injection? (JC Gilpin)
2. 06:20 AM - Re: Re: Oil injection? (Larry Cottrell)
3. 08:45 AM - Re: Re: Kolb STOL (John Hauck)
4. 03:13 PM - Re: Oil injection? (alienwes)
5. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: to inject or not to inject... (Gary Aman)
6. 06:06 PM - Re: Re: to inject or not to inject... (Frank Fanelli)
________________________________ Message 1 ______________________________
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Time: 05:50:09 AM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Oil injection?
From: JC Gilpin <j.gilpin@bigpond.com>
To clarify=2C I really like the oil injection as well=2C but would add anot
her
item of maintenance=2C after my last experience with the broken oil line.
Any such plastic/nylon/rubber lines carrying oil or fuel and exposed to
the weather need to be replaced regularly=2C even if they still look OK.
JG
________________________________ Message 2 ______________________________
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Time: 06:20:43 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Oil injection?
From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
Thanks to all of you for your insights and information. Like most things
=2C
simple is better and as close to foolproof as possible. As with most things
however maintenence is the main solution.
Larry
On Mon=2C Jul 21=2C 2014 at 6:49 AM=2C JC Gilpin <j.gilpin@bigpond.com> wro
te:
> To clarify=2C I really like the oil injection as well=2C but would add an
other
> item of maintenance=2C after my last experience with the broken oil line.
> Any such plastic/nylon/rubber lines carrying oil or fuel and exposed to
> the weather need to be replaced regularly=2C even if they still look OK.
>
> JG
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Time: 08:45:19 AM PST US
From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb STOL
Wes:
Yes=2C 100hp 912ULS.
Those of us that have flown the Kolbs a bit forget what it
is like to fly other aircraft. We get used to the great
performance and forgiving attitude Homer Kolb designed into
them.
john h
mkIII
Lake City=2C Colorado
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
alienwes
Sent: Sunday=2C July 20=2C 2014 9:12 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb STOL
<elliott.wesley@yahoo.com>
John=2C thanks for the links to your videos. I bet your were
off the ground in under 200 feet. Is that a 912 100 hp?
Frank=2C thanks for sharing your experiences and how you shoot
approaches.
--------
Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427031#427031
Photoshare=2C and much much more:
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Time: 03:13:00 PM PST US
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Oil injection?
From: "alienwes" <elliott.wesley@yahoo.com>
For every failure of oil injection there is probably a failure of the pilot
to
remember to add oil when pre-mixing.
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Wesley Elliott
Sport Pilot-PPC
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Time: 04:37:43 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: to inject or not to inject...
From: Gary Aman <zeprep251@aol.com>
In my Firestar 2 503 oil injected over 700 hrs=2C the first 100 on 100LL.Di
d
a de-carbon at 450hrs when the top ring got sticky at inspection time.I hav
e lots of faith in the Rotax engineers that developed the oil -injection sy
stem.
G.Aman FS-2 700hrs MK-3 Jabiru 2200A 850 hrs
-----Original Message-----
From: George Bearden <gab16@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sun=2C Jul 20=2C 2014 10:20 pm
Subject: Kolb-List: RE: to inject or not to inject...
My only experience with oil injection was years ago on 2-stroke motorcycles
..
I loved it. I used far less oil=2C I kept my hands clean when fueling=2C th
e
engine carboned up less. I am interested in using it on my 447 or 503.
OPTIONAL (off-topic):
Years ago I bought a Rototiller at a yard sale. Huge heavy thing=2C
self-propelled=2C gear box=2C built like they usta build. Cast iron=2C etc.
It ha
d
a big single cyl engine under a cowling in front. So=2C I used the thing a
fe
w
times=2C it ran great=2C it was quite a machine. After a while I figgered I
'd
check the valve lash=2C change the oil=2C etc. Tore into it=2C to my surpri
se it
was a 2-stroke! Yeah=2C I know=2C makes me sound dumb. But it ran so slow
and
had such torque. So after a few hours of operation I finally started giving
it oil in the gas. No apparent damage.
________________________________ Message 6 ______________________________
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Time: 06:06:43 PM PST US
From: Frank Fanelli <frankf@flying-models.com>
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: RE: to inject or not to inject...
Hi everyone:
This subject of oil injection is pretty timely since I'm on the verge of
installing an injection unit on a Rotax 503 DCDI. It seems to be pretty
straightforward but there is also a problem. I use prime instead of
manual choke on the 503 to get it started and the prime line goes to the
nipple on each intake manifold. That seems to be the same place where
the oil lines have to go also. Can anyone suggest a workaround? Would a
tee fitting work? Does the manifold need another nipple?
Thanks for any help anyone can give.
Frank Fanelli
On 7/21/2014 7:37 PM=2C Gary Aman wrote:
> In my Firestar 2 503 oil injected over 700 hrs=2C the first 100 on
> 100LL.Did a de-carbon at 450hrs when the top ring got sticky at
> inspection time.I have lots of faith in the Rotax engineers that
> developed the oil -injection system.
> G.Aman FS-2 700hrs MK-3 Jabiru 2200A 850 hrs
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: George Bearden <gab16@sbcglobal.net>
> To: kolb-list <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sun=2C Jul 20=2C 2014 10:20 pm
> Subject: Kolb-List: RE: to inject or not to inject...
>
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "George Bearden"<gab16@sbcglobal.net <
mailto:gab16@sbcglobal.net>>
>
> My only experience with oil injection was years ago on 2-stroke motorcycl
es.
> I loved it. I used far less oil=2C I kept my hands clean when fueling=2C
the
> engine carboned up less. I am interested in using it on my 447 or 503.
>
> OPTIONAL (off-topic):
>
> Years ago I bought a Rototiller at a yard sale. Huge heavy thing=2C
> self-propelled=2C gear box=2C built like they usta build. Cast iron=2C et
c. It had
> a big single cyl engine under a cowling in front. So=2C I used the thing
a few
> times=2C it ran great=2C it was quite a machine. After a while I figgered
I'd
> check the valve lash=2C change the oil=2C etc. Tore into it=2C to my surp
rise it
> was a 2-stroke! Yeah=2C I know=2C makes me sound dumb. But it ran so slo
w and
> had such torque. So after a few hours of operation I finally started givi
ng
> it oil in the gas. No apparent damage.
>
>
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> tp://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: RE: to inject or not to inject... |
Frank,it needs another nipple,it's on the bottom of the manifold
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> On Jul 21, 2014, at 7:05 PM, Frank Fanelli <frankf@flying-models.com> wrot
e:
>
> Hi everyone:
>
> This subject of oil injection is pretty timely since I'm on the verge of i
nstalling an injection unit on a Rotax 503 DCDI. It seems to be pretty strai
ghtforward but there is also a problem. I use prime instead of manual choke o
n the 503 to get it started and the prime line goes to the nipple on each in
take manifold. That seems to be the same place where the oil lines have to g
o also. Can anyone suggest a workaround? Would a tee fitting work? Does the m
anifold need another nipple?
>
> Thanks for any help anyone can give.
>
> Frank Fanelli
>
>
>
>> On 7/21/2014 7:37 PM, Gary Aman wrote:
>> In my Firestar 2 503 oil injected over 700 hrs, the first 100 on 100LL.Di
d a de-carbon at 450hrs when the top ring got sticky at inspection time.I ha
ve lots of faith in the Rotax engineers that developed the oil -injection sy
stem.
>> G.Aman FS-2 700hrs MK-3 Jabiru 2200A 850 hrs
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: George Bearden <gab16@sbcglobal.net>
>> To: kolb-list <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sun, Jul 20, 2014 10:20 pm
>> Subject: Kolb-List: RE: to inject or not to inject...
>>
>>
>> My only experience with oil injection was years ago on 2-stroke motorcycl
es.
>> I loved it. I used far less oil, I kept my hands clean when fueling, the
>> engine carboned up less. I am interested in using it on my 447 or 503.
>>
>> OPTIONAL (off-topic):
>>
>> Years ago I bought a Rototiller at a yard sale. Huge heavy thing,
>> self-propelled, gear box, built like they usta build. Cast iron, etc. It h
ad
>> a big single cyl engine under a cowling in front. So, I used the thing a f
ew
>> times, it ran great, it was quite a machine. After a while I figgered I'd
>> check the valve lash, change the oil, etc. Tore into it, to my surprise i
t
>> was a 2-stroke! Yeah, I know, makes me sound dumb. But it ran so slow an
d
>> had such torque. So after a few hours of operation I finally started givi
ng
>> it oil in the gas. No apparent damage.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: to inject or not to inject... |
The prime nipple is on the carb
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 21, 2014, at 7:05 PM, Frank Fanelli <frankf@flying-models.com> wrot
e:
>
> Hi everyone:
>
> This subject of oil injection is pretty timely since I'm on the verge of i
nstalling an injection unit on a Rotax 503 DCDI. It seems to be pretty strai
ghtforward but there is also a problem. I use prime instead of manual choke o
n the 503 to get it started and the prime line goes to the nipple on each in
take manifold. That seems to be the same place where the oil lines have to g
o also. Can anyone suggest a workaround? Would a tee fitting work? Does the m
anifold need another nipple?
>
> Thanks for any help anyone can give.
>
> Frank Fanelli
>
>
>
>> On 7/21/2014 7:37 PM, Gary Aman wrote:
>> In my Firestar 2 503 oil injected over 700 hrs, the first 100 on 100LL.Di
d a de-carbon at 450hrs when the top ring got sticky at inspection time.I ha
ve lots of faith in the Rotax engineers that developed the oil -injection sy
stem.
>> G.Aman FS-2 700hrs MK-3 Jabiru 2200A 850 hrs
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: George Bearden <gab16@sbcglobal.net>
>> To: kolb-list <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sun, Jul 20, 2014 10:20 pm
>> Subject: Kolb-List: RE: to inject or not to inject...
>>
>>
>> My only experience with oil injection was years ago on 2-stroke motorcycl
es.
>> I loved it. I used far less oil, I kept my hands clean when fueling, the
>> engine carboned up less. I am interested in using it on my 447 or 503.
>>
>> OPTIONAL (off-topic):
>>
>> Years ago I bought a Rototiller at a yard sale. Huge heavy thing,
>> self-propelled, gear box, built like they usta build. Cast iron, etc. It h
ad
>> a big single cyl engine under a cowling in front. So, I used the thing a f
ew
>> times, it ran great, it was quite a machine. After a while I figgered I'd
>> check the valve lash, change the oil, etc. Tore into it, to my surprise i
t
>> was a 2-stroke! Yeah, I know, makes me sound dumb. But it ran so slow an
d
>> had such torque. So after a few hours of operation I finally started givi
ng
>> it oil in the gas. No apparent damage.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Oil injection? |
I have a question. On an engine with oil injection, as you add or retard the throttle
aren't you adding or retarding oil in roughly the same ratio from idle
to full throttle and back? If you are suppose to run 50 to 1, wont you be at about
that setting regardless of throttle position?
Read this topic online here:
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