Kolb-List Digest Archive

Thu 07/31/14


Total Messages Posted: 16



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     1. 07:02 AM - Kit 1 (Denny Baber)
     2. 08:18 AM - Re: Re: looking for a landing gear strut on on kolb M 3 xtra (Pat Ladd)
     3. 10:31 AM - repairing bent chrom molly landing strut (barry9315)
     4. 11:37 AM - Re: repairing bent chrom molly landing strut (B Young)
     5. 12:21 PM - Re: Kit 1 (John Hauck)
     6. 12:27 PM - Re: Re: looking for a landing gear strut on on kolb M 3 xtra (John Hauck)
     7. 12:43 PM - Re: repairing bent chrom molly landing strut (barry9315)
     8. 03:22 PM - Re: Rudder Trim tabs for MIIIC w/ 912UL (barry9315)
     9. 03:30 PM - Tach wiring uls (Frank Goodnight)
    10. 03:39 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Trim tabs for MIIIC w/ 912UL (b young)
    11. 03:51 PM - Re: Re: looking for a landing gear strut on on kolb M 3 xtra (Colin Hudson)
    12. 04:09 PM - Re: Tach wiring uls (b young)
    13. 04:13 PM - Re: looking for a landing gear strut on on kolb M 3 xtra (George Alexander)
    14. 04:19 PM - Re: Tach wiring uls (Frank Goodnight)
    15. 05:01 PM - Re: Re: looking for a landing gear strut on on kolb M 3 xtra (John Hauck)
    16. 08:40 PM - Re: Re: Rudder Trim tabs for MIIIC w/ 912UL (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:02:30 AM PST US
    Subject: Kit 1
    From: Denny Baber <baberdk@gmail.com>
    Someone told me they have the first kit for sale on this forum. I asked how much they wanted, and I never recieved a reply. I can't find the e-mail, but I still want to buy the kit to go with my frame. Please respond if this is you or you know who it is. Thanks. Sincerely, Denny Baber baberdk@gmail.com 309-796-2476 Preconceived notions are the locks on the door to wisdom


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    Time: 08:18:07 AM PST US
    From: "Pat Ladd" <pj.ladd@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: looking for a landing gear strut on on kolb M 3 xtra
    Dont do it. If it will fly get well clear of the ground,do some stalls to fix a landing speed. 1200 hours in Light planes will not prepare you for the way a Kolb will lose flying speed when you close the throttle.There is no inertia like a `normal` plane. She will just stop. Keep a trickle of power on right down to the ground, inches, not feet .Hold her off with progressive back stick and she will settle beautifully. Pat From: Malcolm Brubaker Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 5:05 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: looking for a landing gear strut on on kolb M 3 xtra i am ready to taxi test and crow hop a firefly I would like to talk on the phone to some firefly pilots please call me for some advise i have owned a fire star and a mk2 and have over 1,200 hrs in lite planes and flew a fire fly a couple times several years ago, please call somebody Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker Michigan Sport Pilot Repair http://michigansportpilotrepair.com LSRM-A, PPC, WS Great Sails - Sailmaker for Ultralight & Light Sport (989)513-3022 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- From: barry9315 <barbob5742@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 11:51 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: looking for a landing gear strut on on kolb M 3 xtra Need left seat pilot side strut. can you take photo and text it me or email. 843-566-3104? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427550#427550 --> http://fo= - List Contribution Web Site &nbs="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" target="_blank">http://www.mat============== ======


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    Time: 10:31:43 AM PST US
    Subject: repairing bent chrom molly landing strut
    From: "barry9315" <barbob5742@gmail.com>
    I know these can be fixex by bending hot or cold. hard landing bent my left strut 3-4 degrees. Anyone have a procedure for straighting? its for a kolb M3. I emailed kolb 2 days ago but no reply. better yet if someone has one to sell. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427628#427628


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    Time: 11:37:15 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: repairing bent chrom molly landing strut
    From: B Young <byoungplumbing@gmail.com>
    They can usually be bent cold in a hydrologic press. If you don't have access to one you could try a muffler shop. You will have to press it beyond where you want it to be. When the pressure is released it will flex back some. If you do it in small increments you can sneak up on it and not go too far Boyd Do not archive On Jul 31, 2014 11:33 AM, "barry9315" <barbob5742@gmail.com> wrote: > > I know these can be fixex by bending hot or cold. hard landing bent my > left strut 3-4 degrees. > Anyone have a procedure for straighting? > its for a kolb M3. I emailed kolb 2 days ago but no reply. > better yet if someone has one to sell. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427628#427628 > >


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    Time: 12:21:30 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Kit 1
    There were a lot of Kit 1's, I assume. At least for each model, both prototype and production. Which one are you interested in? john h mkIII - Kit number 11, production. Conway, Arkansas From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Denny Baber Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:02 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Kit 1 Someone told me they have the first kit for sale on this forum. I asked how much they wanted, and I never recieved a reply. I can't find the e-mail, but I still want to buy the kit to go with my frame. Please respond if this is you or you know who it is. Thanks. Sincerely, Denny Baber baberdk@gmail.com 309-796-2476 Preconceived notions are the locks on the door to wisdom


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    Time: 12:27:02 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: looking for a landing gear strut on on kolb M 3 xtra
    Patrick L/Kolbers: Quit trying to scare new FF pilots. If one is half a pilot he probably has enough aptitude to maintain airspeed, airspeed over altitude. The FF will not stop if power is retarded, and it does have inertia, just not as much as a heavier, cleaner aircraft. The FF is a normal Kolb aircraft. Only thing abnormal about Kolbs is the pilots. john h mkIII Conway, Arkansas From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pat Ladd Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:18 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: looking for a landing gear strut on on kolb M 3 xtra Dont do it. If it will fly get well clear of the ground,do some stalls to fix a landing speed. 1200 hours in Light planes will not prepare you for the way a Kolb will lose flying speed when you close the throttle.There is no inertia like a `normal` plane. She will just stop. Keep a trickle of power on right down to the ground, inches, not feet .Hold her off with progressive back stick and she will settle beautifully. Pat From: Malcolm Brubaker <mailto:brubakermal@yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 5:05 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: looking for a landing gear strut on on kolb M 3 xtra i am ready to taxi test and crow hop a firefly I would like to talk on the phone to some firefly pilots please call me for some advise i have owned a fire star and a mk2 and have over 1,200 hrs in lite planes and flew a fire fly a couple times several years ago, please call somebody Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker Michigan Sport Pilot Repair http://michigansportpilotrepair.com <http://michigansportpilotrepair.com/> LSRM-A, PPC, WS Great Sails - Sailmaker for Ultralight & Light Sport (989)513-3022 _____ From: barry9315 <barbob5742@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 11:51 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: looking for a landing gear strut on on kolb M 3 xtra <barbob5742@gmail.com> Need left seat pilot side strut. can you take photo and text it me or email. 843-566-3104? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427550#427550 -- <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> > http://fo= <http://forums.matronics.com/> - List Contribution Web Site &nbs="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" target="_blank">http://www.mat==================== <http://forums.matronics.com/> <http://forums.matronics.com/> <http://forums.matronics.com/> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://w ww.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.c om href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matr onics.com/c = = = =


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    Time: 12:43:57 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: repairing bent chrom molly landing strut
    From: "barry9315" <barbob5742@gmail.com>
    thanks much. that what i was thinking. just wanted to be sure Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427634#427634


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    Time: 03:22:26 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rudder Trim tabs for MIIIC w/ 912UL
    From: "barry9315" <barbob5742@gmail.com>
    Really confussef. if your kolb m 3 x wants to fly left why the hell do you put the rudder trim on the left. trimming the rudder on the right side i would think would even things out Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427648#427648


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    Time: 03:30:54 PM PST US
    Subject: Tach wiring uls
    From: Frank Goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>
    Hi all, Just bought a mk3 classic with a 912 uls. The tach reading on the GR EIS reads about 1/2 the actual RPM , previous owner said it had just started. It is wired through a kuntzelman hot box. All the info I can find says the pickup Comes off a trigger coil that terminates at a two pin connecter. I can't find that Coil, or the 2 pin connector. I've looked in the rotax manuals, ( line maint, operating instructions and the heavy maint ). As the problem , I'm told , is likely a dirty connection , I would like to run that circuit down and clean up the connections. If anyone could show me how to find that coil and connection . Or just advise me on how to proceed I would sure thank you. Frank Goodnight Fayetteville , Arkansas MK 111 Clasic Sent from my iPad


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    Time: 03:39:28 PM PST US
    From: "b young" <byoungplumbing@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Rudder Trim tabs for MIIIC w/ 912UL
    before I could make an informed answer I think I would need more information.... I dont know much about your set up. let me tell you about mine and you may come to an answer on yours,,, or I will try again.... I fly a mk III C with a 912 ul. I did not use a jig when building wings, ailerons etc.. but with the engine turning counter clockwise (looking from the back) the equal and opposite reaction had my plane wanting to roll to the right. I put on an aileron trim tab to remove the left stick pressure required to fly hands off. the aileron tab is mounted on the bottom of the left aileron, and bends down a bit. now the plane is flying hands off. and as I understand the need for the rudder trim is due to the swirling air from the prop going past the rudder. when I put on a yaw string, I still needed right rudder pressure to center things up... so I mounted a rudder trim tab on the left side of my rudder and the bend is to the left. now I fly hands off straight and level with the yaw string centered without pilot input. that is my story and I am sticking to it..... as I understand, those who use 2 stroke engines,,, the prop spins clockwise looking from the rear, their planes want to roll left (opposite reaction to the right turning prop) if your plane wants to roll left with a counter clockwise rotating prop.... my best guess is that something is not rigged straight. does anyone else have a better answer? boyd young mkIIIc utah 800 plus hours do not archive -----Original Message----- From: barry9315 Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 4:22 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Rudder Trim tabs for MIIIC w/ 912UL Really confussef. if your kolb m 3 x wants to fly left why the hell do you put the rudder trim on the left. trimming the rudder on the right side i would think would even things out Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427648#427648 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com


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    Time: 03:51:14 PM PST US
    From: Colin Hudson <colin.scott.hudson@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: looking for a landing gear strut on on kolb M 3 xtra
    John I have to side wit Pat. I thought he gave Malcolm some sound advice. T he Kolb Quit is real. With all that flat plat drag airspeed bleeds fast whe n the throttle is cut. My M3xtra has a single control stick. I made the mi stake of letting my best friend try to land it (an ATP with 8500 hrs). I wa rned him the best I could, but at 3 foot he chopped the power and tried to l and it like a Cessna. Airspeed instantly bled off and we hit hard. I had t o replace the right landing gear. I've found if I carry power till the whee ls touch, I never have a problem. Scott Hudson N424AL ATP/CFII 10,200+ Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 31, 2014, at 2:26 PM, "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote: > > Patrick L/Kolbers: > > Quit trying to scare new FF pilots. If one is half a pilot he probably ha s enough aptitude to maintain airspeed, airspeed over altitude. > > The FF will not stop if power is retarded, and it does have inertia, just n ot as much as a heavier, cleaner aircraft. The FF is a normal Kolb aircraft . > > Only thing abnormal about Kolbs is the pilots. > > john h > mkIII > Conway, Arkansas > > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@ matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pat Ladd > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:18 AM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: looking for a landing gear strut on on kolb M 3 xtra > > Dont do it. If it will fly get well clear of the ground,do some stalls to f ix a landing speed. 1200 hours in Light planes will not prepare you for the w ay a Kolb will lose flying speed when you close the throttle.There is no ine rtia like a `normal` plane. She will just stop. Keep a trickle of power on r ight down to the ground, inches, not feet .Hold her off with progressive bac k stick and she will settle beautifully. > > Pat > > From: Malcolm Brubaker > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 5:05 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: looking for a landing gear strut on on kolb M 3 xtra > > i am ready to taxi test and crow hop a firefly I would like to talk on the phone to some firefly pilots please call me for some advise i have owned a fire star and a mk2 and have over 1,200 hrs in lite planes and flew a f ire fly a couple times several years ago, please call somebody > > Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker > Michigan Sport Pilot Repair > http://michigansportpilotrepair.com > LSRM-A, PPC, WS > Great Sails - Sailmaker > for Ultralight & Light Sport > (989)513-3022 > > > > > > From: barry9315 <barbob5742@gmail.com> > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 11:51 AM > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: looking for a landing gear strut on on kolb M 3 xt ra > > > Need left seat pilot side strut. can you take photo and text it me or emai l. 843-566-3104? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427550#427550 > > > > > > --> http://fo= - List Contribution Web Site &nbs="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" target="_blank">http://w ww.mat==================== > > > > > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?Kolb-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > - The Kolb-List Email Forum - > --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > --> http://forums.matronics.com > - List Contribution Web Site - > Thank you for your generous support! > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >


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    Time: 04:09:32 PM PST US
    From: "b young" <byoungplumbing@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Tach wiring uls
    my advanced eis - w for the rotax 912 engine says Tachometer wiring the best method of sensing engine RPM on the 912 engine is accomplished using the tachometer trigger coil included in this engine. this trigger coil has two wires coming from the engine, and they end in a 2 pin socket. One of these wires should be connected to ground ( the - terminal of the battery) and the other lead to the tach input of the EIS. since this signal provides 1 pulse per revolution of the engine, the EMP setting on the configuration set pages must be set to a value of 1. A 10 K Ohm resistor ( brown black orange gold stripes -- included in the parts pack) can be installed between the eis tach input and the engine's tachometer output to provide filtering, This is only necessary if your tachometer readings are erratic, Normally this resistor is not required. my eis has 2, 9 pin connectors my tach sensor wire goes in on pin 9 of the connector which the power, master warning light, oil temp sensor, coolant temp wires go into... the other 9 pin connector has the exhaust and cylinder head temps (thermocouples) and oil pressure senders connected. I dont know anything about the hot box,,, it may be a junction box wire in,,,, wire out,,,, connection box... I am not sure if there is any other electrical magic going on inside the box. I dont know if by any reason the emp setting on the eis configuration pages had been changed,,,, or if something in the engine coil has changed. good luck do not archive boyd young -----Original Message----- From: Frank Goodnight Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 4:30 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Tach wiring uls Hi all, Just bought a mk3 classic with a 912 uls. The tach reading on the GR EIS reads about 1/2 the actual RPM , previous owner said it had just started. It is wired through a kuntzelman hot box. All the info I can find says the pickup Comes off a trigger coil that terminates at a two pin connecter. I can't find that Coil, or the 2 pin connector. I've looked in the rotax manuals, ( line maint, operating instructions and the heavy maint ). As the problem , I'm told , is likely a dirty connection , I would like to run that circuit down and clean up the connections. If anyone could show me how to find that coil and connection . Or just advise me on how to proceed I would sure thank you. Frank Goodnight Fayetteville , Arkansas MK 111 Clasic Sent from my iPad --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com


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    Time: 04:13:42 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: looking for a landing gear strut on on kolb M 3 xtra
    From: "George Alexander" <gtalexander@att.net>
    colin.scott.hudson(at)gma wrote: > John I have to side wit Pat. I thought he gave Malcolm some sound advice. > > > Malcolm wrote: > > i am ready to taxi test and crow hop a firefly I would like to talk on the phone to some firefly pilots please call me for some advise i have owned a fire star and a mk2 and have over 1,200 hrs in lite planes and flew a fire fly a couple times several years ago, please call somebody > > > > Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker > Michigan Sport Pilot Repair > What may have been overlooked from Malcolm's original post is that he has owned (and I assume flown some of those 1200 hours) in a Firestar and a MK 2. The FireFly will be only slightly different in handling on landing than the Firestar. A hundred hours in other Kolbs prepares one to land a FireFly much better than thousands of hours in heavier aircraft. IMO... Worth what you paid for it. -------- George Alexander FS II R503 N709FS http://www.oh2fly.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427661#427661


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    Time: 04:19:02 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tach wiring uls
    From: Frank Goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>
    Thanks Boyd, I'll keep trying to find --- identify--- the trigger coil so far it has eluded me. Frank Sent from my iPad On Jul 31, 2014, at 6:08 PM, "b young" <byoungplumbing@gmail.com> wrote: > > my advanced eis - w for the rotax 912 engine says > > Tachometer wiring > the best method of sensing engine RPM on the 912 engine is accomplished using the tachometer trigger coil included in this engine. this trigger coil has two wires coming from the engine, and they end in a 2 pin socket. One of these wires should be connected to ground ( the - terminal of the battery) and the other lead to the tach input of the EIS. since this signal provides 1 pulse per revolution of the engine, the EMP setting on the configuration set pages must be set to a value of 1. A 10 K Ohm resistor ( brown black orange gold stripes -- included in the parts pack) can be installed between the eis tach input and the engine's tachometer output to provide filtering, This is only necessary if your tachometer readings are erratic, Normally this resistor is not required. > > > my eis has 2, 9 pin connectors my tach sensor wire goes in on pin 9 of the connector which the power, master warning light, oil temp sensor, coolant temp wires go into... the other 9 pin connector has the exhaust and cylinder head temps (thermocouples) and oil pressure senders connected. > > I dont know anything about the hot box,,, it may be a junction box wire in,,,, wire out,,,, connection box... I am not sure if there is any other electrical magic going on inside the box. > > I dont know if by any reason the emp setting on the eis configuration pages had been changed,,,, or if something in the engine coil has changed. good luck > > do not archive > > boyd young > > -----Original Message----- From: Frank Goodnight > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 4:30 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Tach wiring uls > > > Hi all, > Just bought a mk3 classic with a 912 uls. The tach reading on the GR EIS reads about > 1/2 the actual RPM , previous owner said it had just started. > It is wired through a kuntzelman hot box. All the info I can find says the pickup > Comes off a trigger coil that terminates at a two pin connecter. I can't find that > Coil, or the 2 pin connector. I've looked in the rotax manuals, ( line maint, operating instructions > and the heavy maint ). As the problem , I'm told , is likely a dirty connection , I would > like to run that circuit down and clean up the connections. If anyone could show me how > to find that coil and connection . Or just advise me on how to proceed I would sure > thank you. > Frank Goodnight > Fayetteville , Arkansas > MK 111 Clasic > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > > >


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    Time: 05:01:54 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: looking for a landing gear strut on on kolb M 3 xtra
    Learn to fly the airplane, no matter what it is. Without power, engine at idle, try landing the airplane on the ground, not three feet in the air. This maneuver does not take power to accomplish and the Kolb, no matter what model, will not fall out of the air, e.g., "Kolb quit", unless it gets below stall speed. All fixed wing airplanes quit flying when they get below stall speed. We keep our Kolbs above stall speed by pushing the nose down, maintaining airspeed above stall. Again, learn to fly the airplane. Your friend should be aware, when he is flying a Kolb, not to try to fly it like a Cessna. An ATP with 8500 hours, he should know how to fly by now. I have been flying Kolbs for 30 years as of this month. I taught myself to fly fixed wing aircraft, a Kolb Ultrastar, the first of three Kolbs I built and flew. I still fly my MKIII. My first fixed wing flight was also my test flight for the Ultrastar. Did pretty good on the first landing. No "Kolb quit". Not bad for a newbie, but ran out of cow pasture before I had finished my landing roll (no brakes installed). These little Kolbs are easy to fly, forgiving, with no real surprises, unless one quits flying at 3 feet when they are attempting to land. Kolbs do not stop flying when power is reduced to idle. As a matter of fact, Kolbs are great fun to fly dead stick. They really handle well. Makes good practice for the time when the engine stops. john h mkIII Memphis, Tennessee From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin Hudson Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 5:51 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: looking for a landing gear strut on on kolb M 3 xtra John I have to side wit Pat. I thought he gave Malcolm some sound advice. The Kolb Quit is real. With all that flat plat drag airspeed bleeds fast when the throttle is cut. My M3xtra has a single control stick. I made the mistake of letting my best friend try to land it (an ATP with 8500 hrs). I warned him the best I could, but at 3 foot he chopped the power and tried to land it like a Cessna. Airspeed instantly bled off and we hit hard. I had to replace the right landing gear. I've found if I carry power till the wheels touch, I never have a problem. Scott Hudson N424AL ATP/CFII 10,200+ Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2014, at 2:26 PM, "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote: Patrick L/Kolbers: Quit trying to scare new FF pilots. If one is half a pilot he probably has enough aptitude to maintain airspeed, airspeed over altitude. The FF will not stop if power is retarded, and it does have inertia, just not as much as a heavier, cleaner aircraft. The FF is a normal Kolb aircraft. Only thing abnormal about Kolbs is the pilots. john h mkIII Conway, Arkansas From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pat Ladd Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:18 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: looking for a landing gear strut on on kolb M 3 xtra Dont do it. If it will fly get well clear of the ground,do some stalls to fix a landing speed. 1200 hours in Light planes will not prepare you for the way a Kolb will lose flying speed when you close the throttle.There is no inertia like a `normal` plane. She will just stop. Keep a trickle of power on right down to the ground, inches, not feet .Hold her off with progressive back stick and she will settle beautifully. Pat From: Malcolm Brubaker <mailto:brubakermal@yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 5:05 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: looking for a landing gear strut on on kolb M 3 xtra i am ready to taxi test and crow hop a firefly I would like to talk on the phone to some firefly pilots please call me for some advise i have owned a fire star and a mk2 and have over 1,200 hrs in lite planes and flew a fire fly a couple times several years ago, please call somebody Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker Michigan Sport Pilot Repair http://michigansportpilotrepair.com <http://michigansportpilotrepair.com/> LSRM-A, PPC, WS Great Sails - Sailmaker for Ultralight & Light Sport (989)513-3022 _____ From: barry9315 <barbob5742@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 11:51 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: looking for a landing gear strut on on kolb M 3 xtra Need left seat pilot side strut. can you take photo and text it me or email. 843-566-3104? 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    Time: 08:40:40 PM PST US
    From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Rudder Trim tabs for MIIIC w/ 912UL
    In a message dated 7/31/2014 6:22:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, barbob5742@gmail.com writes: Really confussef. if your kolb m 3 x wants to fly left why the hell do you put the rudder trim on the left. trimming the rudder on the right side i would think would even things out Hi Barry, If you are using your right foot to maintain straight flight, that means your rudder is swinging to the right, which turns your Kolb to the right, thus making you fly straight. Now install a trim tab on the rudder so you don't have to use your foot pressure. The trim tab can be mechanically attached to either side of the rudder, BUT the bend, or off set of the tab, has to be towards the left (as viewed from the rear of the plane). The trim tab will then push the rudder to the right which will relieve the foot pressure you previously used to maintain straight flight. How much of a bend? Start with 10 or 15 degrees. Test fly and then bend more or less as needed to get straight flight without using your foot pressure. Hope this will help you understand how a trim tab works. Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar - builder & pilot Audubon NJ My 20th season flying Kolb




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