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1. 04:05 AM - Re: Kolb landing (Richard Girard)
2. 04:22 AM - Re: Mk3 flap speed (Richard Girard)
3. 05:42 AM - Re: Clear Lake Flight Video (Larlaeb)
4. 06:02 AM - Re: Kolb landing (Larlaeb)
5. 06:05 AM - Re: Rotax 670 update (John Hauck)
6. 06:18 AM - Re: Mk3 flap speed (Frank)
7. 06:21 AM - Re: Re: Kolb landing (John Hauck)
8. 10:15 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 08/01/14 (George Bearden)
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb landing |
All, Here are two photos showing the Kolb Mk III in a full flap approach
and round out. Sorry my neighbor didn't get the perfect on-three landing
but the photos should give you the idea.
Rick Girard
do not archive
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 7:38 AM, kinne russ <russk50@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pat
> Think you meant this for John?
> More later,
> Russ
>
> On Aug 1, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Pat Ladd wrote:
>
>
> Hi John,
>
> Not trying to frighten anyone and I don`t believe in the Kolb Quit but you
> know as well as I do that the techniques for landing a Kolb and a (say)
> Cessna are different.
>
> If you close the throttle just above the stall at 10 or 15ft in a Cessna
> its inertia will bring you in.
> if you try it in a Kolb she will shed flying speed VERY quickly and unless
> you are quick, which by definition in this case, you are NOT, she will
> stall like any other a/c and you do not have enough height to recover.
> That means a hard landing at best.
>
> As i said in my post, you should land inches above the ground NOT feet.
>
> Happy flying
>
> Pat
>
>
> *
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>
--
Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: Mk3 flap speed |
Frank, Watch my video on transitioning to the Kolb Mk III for GA pilots
here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ-YaW9WgEU
Here's a view from outside the cockpit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGMvpQRHS-0
As for your question about flap deployment speed, I use 60 mph then settle
on 50 for approach. Hope this helps.
Rick Girard
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 10:31 PM, Colin Hudson <colin.scott.hudson@gmail.com>
wrote:
> colin.scott.hudson@gmail.com>
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> Frank my research shows VFE for the classic to be 100 km, 52 knts or 62
> MPH. Anything above that can cause structure damage.
>
> Scott Hudson
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 1, 2014, at 8:49 PM, Frank Goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net>
> wrote:
> >
> frank.goodnight@att.net>
> >
> > Hi all,
> > Can someone tell me the max airspeed at wich i can lower full flaps and
> the max speed
> > I can go with 1/2 flaps in a MK 3 Clasic .
> > Thanks Frank Goodnight
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Zulu Delta
Mk IIIC
Thanks, Homer GBYM
It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy.
- Groucho Marx
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| Subject: | Re: Clear Lake Flight Video |
Yes pretty much everyone has had trouble hearing this. It sounds ok on my computer
except when I mumble but I will probably redo the voice track when I get
a minute to mess with it. Thanks.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427813#427813
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb landing |
I'm still a low time pilot in the Kolb, just passed 200 hours in her and I have
a little less than 1000 landings now. I try to do 2 or 3 at least every time
I fly and I try to vary the type of landing I do each time. Full flaps, no flaps,
wheel, three point, over obstacle, stop short etc.
I think the Kolb, at least my Mark III, is a pretty easy airplane to land but it
is not easy to land 'perfectly' 3 point power off EVERY TIME at least for me.
As has been stated over and over it has to be flown all the way to the ground.
You can't just get it in ground effect and let it land on automatic like some
I have flown. Small mistakes turn what I think is a perfect landing into
an average landing with a small bounce or a little bump.
Leaving a little power on can make it float a little more like a GA plane and I
found that easier in the beginning. Now the game is to pull all the power off
on the down wind leg, not touch it again and put it where I want it, perfectly
soft with as short a roll as possible. Oh yeah, and to walk away. :)
(That's what I was trying to do in the short field landing video I posted a while
back.)
Thanks,
Allan
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=427814#427814
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| Subject: | Rotax 670 update |
Sounds good!
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
Figured I'd update everyone on my 670 swap.
The 618 style exhaust is much quieter than my old engine and family and
flying buddies say it sounds stronger from the ground.
It definitely shits and gets on take off.
So far so good.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, Rotax 670,
Leechburg, PA
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| Subject: | Re: Mk3 flap speed |
Thanks to all that answered
the flap question.
Frank Goodnight ( new to mk3 )
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 1, 2014, at 10:31 PM, Colin Hudson <colin.scott.hudson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Frank my research shows VFE for the classic to be 100 km, 52 knts or 62 MPH.
Anything above that can cause structure damage.
>
> Scott Hudson
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 1, 2014, at 8:49 PM, Frank Goodnight <frank.goodnight@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>> Can someone tell me the max airspeed at wich i can lower full flaps and the
max speed
>> I can go with 1/2 flaps in a MK 3 Clasic .
>> Thanks Frank Goodnight
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb landing |
Allan/Kolbers:
Homer designed his airplanes for low time pilots. He wanted the aircraft to
sit level, or nearly level on the ground. His reason was to require more
airspeed to take off, prevent pulling off too soon, flying out of ground
effect and stalling. He also wanted them to land faster, thus the level
attitude.
I didn't like this level attitude. I wanted to get the nose of the aircraft
up in a more conventional three point attitude. This helps me get off the
ground a little quicker and land in a three point attitude.
Homer also put most of the weight on the main gear to make his airplanes
handle better on the ground. This works well with one exception, the
tendency to nose over because of the light tail. I overcame this by moving
the main gear 8" forward from the stock position. My MKIII is a now a true
tail dragger. It is more difficult to handle on the ground, but has no
tendency to nose over in most any terrain. There is over 100 lbs on the
tail wheel.
All the mods my Brother Jim and I did to my MKIII seem to be working well.
They have been on this MKIII for more than 22 years and 3,300.0 hours. It
is nice to fly an airplane that satisfies all your needs. Don't think there
is anything else to do to Miss P'fer except maintain and fly her.
Allan, I have seen your landings. They look good.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
I'm still a low time pilot in the Kolb, just passed 200 hours in her and I
have a little less than 1000 landings now. I try to do 2 or 3 at least
every time I fly and I try to vary the type of landing I do each time. Full
flaps, no flaps, wheel, three point, over obstacle, stop short etc.
I think the Kolb, at least my Mark III, is a pretty easy airplane to land
but it is not easy to land 'perfectly' 3 point power off EVERY TIME at least
for me. As has been stated over and over it has to be flown all the way to
the ground. You can't just get it in ground effect and let it land on
automatic like some I have flown. Small mistakes turn what I think is a
perfect landing into an average landing with a small bounce or a little
bump.
Leaving a little power on can make it float a little more like a GA plane
and I found that easier in the beginning. Now the game is to pull all the
power off on the down wind leg, not touch it again and put it where I want
it, perfectly soft with as short a roll as possible. Oh yeah, and to walk
away. :)
(That's what I was trying to do in the short field landing video I posted a
while back.)
Thanks,
Allan
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| Subject: | RE: Kolb-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 08/01/14 |
> The MKIII continued in its vertical dive
Wow. I feel a spasm of my sphincter and I wasn't even there.
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