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1. 05:51 AM - Re: Brakes (t41pilot)
2. 06:06 AM - Re: Re: Brakes (Gary Aman)
3. 06:14 AM - Re: Brakes (olendorf)
4. 06:54 AM - Re: Brakes (t41pilot)
5. 07:39 AM - Re: Re: Brakes (Larry Cottrell)
6. 08:18 AM - Re: Re: Brakes (Herb)
7. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: Brakes (Herb)
8. 08:50 AM - Re: Brakes (Thumper)
9. 09:28 AM - Re: Re: Brakes (Herb)
10. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: Brakes (Bob)
11. 11:41 AM - Re: testing a new camera! (David Kulp)
12. 11:41 AM - Re: Re: Brakes (Herb)
13. 12:08 PM - Re: testing a new camera! (Larry Cottrell)
14. 02:05 PM - Re: Brakes (t41pilot)
15. 04:25 PM - Re: testing a new camera! (undoctor)
16. 09:02 PM - another One :-/ (Larry Cottrell)
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Thanks for the help Scott. Pictures are always worth a thousand words in my book.
Just a couple questions if you don't mind. Do you use the brakes on your landing
rollout to slow down or just on the ramp? I used to fly off a grass strip
and brakes weren't really necessary but that airport closed so now I'm on a
paved airport. I'm concerned about a noseover if the brakes are applied too hard
after landing. Also, did you have to buy new axles from Kolb or did you buy
some stock yourself? I'm pretty sure the original axles are heat treated. My
axles were cut down to fit during my build since I wasn't using brakes, so I
need some new ones to accommodate the brake assembly. I'm not sure if a regular
pipe threader for plumbing can do steel for the threads needed on the end of
the axle. You can buy 5/8 #8 Bolts at the hardware which are hardened but I'm
not sure they are strong enough to do the job. My landings are pretty good but
not all are greasers.
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2011 Firefly
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Nicely done,very light clean installation
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 9, 2014, at 9:36 PM, "olendorf" <olendorf@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I put these on my Firestar. They work great. One finger will bring me to a screeching
halt.
>
> They are cable activated bike brakes.
>
> Avid BB7 Road Disc Brake 140mm x 6 Bolt
>
> I hope you can see what I did there. I had to make two brackets out of aluminum.
One bracket plate has the four bolts going through the rim on one side and
six bolts holding the rotor on the other side. I switched to narrower tires
to make this work. I may have been able to use longer bolts but I like the way
this came out. The second bracket is for the caliper to mount to. I thought
three bolts on the axle plate would work but I couldn't get a bolt through
there so it is held on with just two bolts and is plenty.
>
> The nice feature of these brakes is that the individual side pads can be adjusted
easily with your fingers.
>
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> Scott Olendorf
> Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
> Schenectady, NY
> http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/
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I do use the brakes on landing rollout, taxiing and as a parking brake while I'm
getting into the plane since I start the engine outside then get in.
You need to use the brakes carefully because you will nose over. Not as much an
issue when landing because you have more air over the tail to help keep it down.
Its really only an issue when trying to do a run up with the brakes locked.
I can't get over 4000rpms in a runup without nosing over.
Another concern with using a single handle brake lever is that you will want to
adjust your calipers so you get an even pull on both sides. I do that by holding
a little brake while taxiing and feel if it is pulling one way or the other,
then get out and adjust them.
My axles were already adapted for brakes. They had the flange welded on. I don't
have the knowledge to turn a bolt into an axle. That seems like a bad place
to take a shortcut. I would buy the proper axles and have a flange welded on.
I do know that plumbing threads are not the same as regular nuts and bolts threads.
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Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
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Thanks Scott. You've been most helpful. I mis-spoke on the bolt. I meant Grade
8 not #8. They make those bolts long enough already to use as axles and are threaded
on the ends but I'm guessing they are not strong enough or they would
be in use already. Unless there are any other ideas for new axles, I will have
to call Kolb for a price on new ones. Ultimately I will compare the cost of building
a brake system and compare it to the cost of a commercial black max system.
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Gregg Kaat
2011 Firefly
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You should check with Travis, they have the axles already made up with the
flange already there. I am sure if you needed something special that Travis
could have it for you in nothing flat. Not a whole lot of sense in cobbling
something together.
I liked the hand brake, but I wanted independent braking. Since I have
little patience and a welder I decided to make my own. Its not all that
much different than the single brake lever.
Larry
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 7:53 AM, t41pilot <t41pilot@frontier.com> wrote:
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> Thanks Scott. You've been most helpful. I mis-spoke on the bolt. I meant
> Grade 8 not #8. They make those bolts long enough already to use as axles
> and are threaded on the ends but I'm guessing they are not strong enough or
> they would be in use already. Unless there are any other ideas for new
> axles, I will have to call Kolb for a price on new ones. Ultimately I will
> compare the cost of building a brake system and compare it to the cost of a
> commercial black max system.
>
> --------
> Gregg Kaat
> 2011 Firefly
>
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428261#428261
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I installed mountain bike brakes on my Firefly...worked fine...cost
about 70 bucks...using my lathe and labor...Herb
ps the long cable runs caused some stretching...so they felt a bit spongy..
On 08/10/2014 08:53 AM, t41pilot wrote:
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> Thanks Scott. You've been most helpful. I mis-spoke on the bolt. I meant Grade
8 not #8. They make those bolts long enough already to use as axles and are
threaded on the ends but I'm guessing they are not strong enough or they would
be in use already. Unless there are any other ideas for new axles, I will have
to call Kolb for a price on new ones. Ultimately I will compare the cost of
building a brake system and compare it to the cost of a commercial black max
system.
>
> --------
> Gregg Kaat
> 2011 Firefly
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428261#428261
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Here is a set for sale on ebay...Herb
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BB5-BB-5-MTB-Mechanical-Disc-Brake-Front-and-Rear-160mm-Rotor-Black-/251448329773?pt=US_Brakes&var=&hash=item3a8b7d062d
ps if I were doing it again...I would try the hydraulic versions...
On 08/10/2014 10:17 AM, Herb wrote:
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> I installed mountain bike brakes on my Firefly...worked fine...cost
> about 70 bucks...using my lathe and labor...Herb
>
> ps the long cable runs caused some stretching...so they felt a bit
> spongy..
> On 08/10/2014 08:53 AM, t41pilot wrote:
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>> Thanks Scott. You've been most helpful. I mis-spoke on the bolt. I
>> meant Grade 8 not #8. They make those bolts long enough already to
>> use as axles and are threaded on the ends but I'm guessing they are
>> not strong enough or they would be in use already. Unless there are
>> any other ideas for new axles, I will have to call Kolb for a price
>> on new ones. Ultimately I will compare the cost of building a brake
>> system and compare it to the cost of a commercial black max system.
>>
>> --------
>> Gregg Kaat
>> 2011 Firefly
>>
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428261#428261
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These are the same BB7 brakes but I used the parallel levers under the seat and
just reached down for equal braking or differential braking. Worked great.
Sold the airplane but these pictures should help.
Dennis
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Oakland TN
2000 Aeroprakt A20 Vista Cruiser
Previously Kolb Mark IIIC, 94 Firestar, 84 Ultrastar.
700+hours since 1/1/2009
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I used spacers also...I wanted to turn two spools instead..but I could
not find any large diameter aluminum at the salvage yard... plus , my
wheel barrow rims were not true and I needed to add shims...Herb
On 08/10/2014 10:50 AM, Thumper wrote:
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> These are the same BB7 brakes but I used the parallel levers under the seat and
just reached down for equal braking or differential braking. Worked great.
Sold the airplane but these pictures should help.
>
> Dennis
>
> --------
> Dennis Long
> Oakland TN
> 2000 Aeroprakt A20 Vista Cruiser
> Previously Kolb Mark IIIC, 94 Firestar, 84 Ultrastar.
> 700+hours since 1/1/2009
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With apparently lots of available braking, why would you go with the
hydraulic version next time? Looks like price is only a little higher. I
need to change from band brakes on a MkIII, and this looks like a really
elegant solution, along with the dual under seat handle configuration.
Bob
"ps if I were doing it again...I would try the hydraulic versions..."
On 08/10/2014 10:17 AM, Herb wrote:
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-----Original Message-----
From: Herb
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Brakes
Here is a set for sale on ebay...Herb
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BB5-BB-5-MTB-Mechanical-Disc-Brake-Front-and-Rear-160mm-Rotor-Black-/251448329773?pt=US_Brakes&var=&hash=item3a8b7d062d
ps if I were doing it again...I would try the hydraulic versions...
On 08/10/2014 10:17 AM, Herb wrote:
>
> I installed mountain bike brakes on my Firefly...worked fine...cost about
> 70 bucks...using my lathe and labor...Herb
>
> ps the long cable runs caused some stretching...so they felt a bit
> spongy..
> On 08/10/2014 08:53 AM, t41pilot wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Scott. You've been most helpful. I mis-spoke on the bolt. I meant
>> Grade 8 not #8. They make those bolts long enough already to use as
>> axles and are threaded on the ends but I'm guessing they are not strong
>> enough or they would be in use already. Unless there are any other ideas
>> for new axles, I will have to call Kolb for a price on new ones.
>> Ultimately I will compare the cost of building a brake system and compare
>> it to the cost of a commercial black max system.
>>
>> --------
>> Gregg Kaat
>> 2011 Firefly
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428261#428261
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Subject: | Re: testing a new camera! |
Hi Larry,
Played your vid and here's what I found. I have two browsers, Firefox
and IE. I use FF for almost everything except videos, as no matter what
I've tried videos from youtube and the like chatter and jump, although
the sound is usually unbroken, so I use IE as default for videos.
Opened your video and it jumped and stuttered from beginning to end.
The sound was OK. Out of curiosity I opened it in Firefox. Not only did
the video jump and stutter, the sound stuttered as well. I don't know
if it's my connection or the video or vimeo that is causing the
reduction in quality across the board, just wanted to let you know so
you have the data you're looking for.
By the way, here in PA if we do touch and goes on a lake we would get
very wet and have to fish our aircraft out of the water.
BTW, your HKS seems to be a significant improvement.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
Do Not Archive
On 8/9/2014 6:57 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
> I finally decided to try Garmin's Virb video camera. I have been
> dithering for months as to whether it was worth the expense or not.
> Finally I decided to give up and get the thing. One of the features
> that I liked was that you could show your speed on the camera. I seem
> to have trouble remembering my actual flying speed, since there are so
> many distractions when one is suspended between the clouds and the
> ground.
>
> After I added the "baffle" to the muffler,( a 5 inch flat plate that
> seems to realign the air flow coming off the 8 inch round muffler ) I
> seemed to be going a lot faster than I remembered before I added it.
> One of the things about the Virb is that the GPS in the camera
> records the speed, and a whole lot of other things. Not being that
> interested in my heart rate, I think I will pass on that one. My
> measurement of excitement is how dry my mouth gets.
>
> I stuck it on the other wing on the tube that holds the wing when it
> is folded. That seems to be the least amount of vibration on the
> entire plane. I did get some harmonics, especially when I throttled
> back. The camera is supposed to have a "stabilization feature" but
> apparently flying isn't that stable.
>
> The colors produced by the camera did not require me to use the
> "enhancement feature" of my editing program. It seemed to be a little
> dark, but I tend to fly early in the morning and the lighting is not
> always the best then. In Sept the air should stabilize enough to be
> able to fly during the middle of the day when light is better.
>
> All in all, I like the camera. There are lots of features that could
> be if not helpful, at least interesting. As for the comparison to the
> Drift- About the only improvement to the drift is the GPS features.
> When the drift is set properly ( in this case minus one f stop) there
> is not a lot of difference between the two. I still think I will keep
> the Virb however.
>
>
> https://vimeo.com/103023194
> <https://vimeo.com/103023194?utm_source=email&utm_medium=clip-transcode_complete-finished-20120100&utm_campaign=7701&email_id=Y2xpcF90cmFuc2NvZGVkfDc3ZGZlZWMyNGFhN2E5MzU4NmIxMDM0Y2ViOGUyN2FkOTU3fDc2NDA2NDl8MTQwNzYyMTY3M3w3NzAx>
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Just the ease of running the lines...and I do not think the cost is very
much more? And the cable stretch that I mentioned...
Kolbs do not need super brakes...that is certain...Haven't check on
the price of a nose cone lately! :-)
On 08/10/2014 12:59 PM, Bob wrote:
>
> With apparently lots of available braking, why would you go with the
> hydraulic version next time? Looks like price is only a little
> higher. I need to change from band brakes on a MkIII, and this looks
> like a really elegant solution, along with the dual under seat handle
> configuration.
> Bob
>
> "ps if I were doing it again...I would try the hydraulic versions..."
> On 08/10/2014 10:17 AM, Herb wrote:
>>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Herb
> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 8:34 AM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Brakes
>
>
> Here is a set for sale on ebay...Herb
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/BB5-BB-5-MTB-Mechanical-Disc-Brake-Front-and-Rear-160mm-Rotor-Black-/251448329773?pt=US_Brakes&var=&hash=item3a8b7d062d
>
>
> ps if I were doing it again...I would try the hydraulic versions...
> On 08/10/2014 10:17 AM, Herb wrote:
>>
>> I installed mountain bike brakes on my Firefly...worked fine...cost
>> about 70 bucks...using my lathe and labor...Herb
>>
>> ps the long cable runs caused some stretching...so they felt a bit
>> spongy..
>> On 08/10/2014 08:53 AM, t41pilot wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Scott. You've been most helpful. I mis-spoke on the bolt. I
>>> meant Grade 8 not #8. They make those bolts long enough already to
>>> use as axles and are threaded on the ends but I'm guessing they are
>>> not strong enough or they would be in use already. Unless there are
>>> any other ideas for new axles, I will have to call Kolb for a price
>>> on new ones. Ultimately I will compare the cost of building a brake
>>> system and compare it to the cost of a commercial black max system.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Gregg Kaat
>>> 2011 Firefly
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428261#428261
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Subject: | Re: testing a new camera! |
Thanks for the input, but it has to be on your end. It doesn't do that here
or anyone else that I have heard. They are the highest quality that I can
get on the net, so the size might be your problem. You can always default
to 720 rather than the HD.
Sorry that it didn't show as intended.
Larry
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 12:38 PM, David Kulp <undoctor@ptd.net> wrote:
> Hi Larry,
>
> Played your vid and here's what I found. I have two browsers, Firefox and
> IE. I use FF for almost everything except videos, as no matter what I've
> tried videos from youtube and the like chatter and jump, although the sound
> is usually unbroken, so I use IE as default for videos.
>
> Opened your video and it jumped and stuttered from beginning to end. The
> sound was OK. Out of curiosity I opened it in Firefox. Not only did the
> video jump and stutter, the sound stuttered as well. I don't know if it's
> my connection or the video or vimeo that is causing the reduction in
> quality across the board, just wanted to let you know so you have the data
> you're looking for.
>
> By the way, here in PA if we do touch and goes on a lake we would get very
> wet and have to fish our aircraft out of the water.
>
> BTW, your HKS seems to be a significant improvement.
>
> Dave Kulp
> Bethlehem, PA
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> On 8/9/2014 6:57 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
>
> I finally decided to try Garmin's Virb video camera. I have been dithering
> for months as to whether it was worth the expense or not. Finally I decided
> to give up and get the thing. One of the features that I liked was that you
> could show your speed on the camera. I seem to have trouble remembering my
> actual flying speed, since there are so many distractions when one is
> suspended between the clouds and the ground.
>
> After I added the "baffle" to the muffler,( a 5 inch flat plate that
> seems to realign the air flow coming off the 8 inch round muffler ) I
> seemed to be going a lot faster than I remembered before I added it. One
> of the things about the Virb is that the GPS in the camera records the
> speed, and a whole lot of other things. Not being that interested in my
> heart rate, I think I will pass on that one. My measurement of excitement
> is how dry my mouth gets.
>
> I stuck it on the other wing on the tube that holds the wing when it is
> folded. That seems to be the least amount of vibration on the entire plane.
> I did get some harmonics, especially when I throttled back. The camera is
> supposed to have a "stabilization feature" but apparently flying isn't that
> stable.
>
> The colors produced by the camera did not require me to use the
> "enhancement feature" of my editing program. It seemed to be a little dark,
> but I tend to fly early in the morning and the lighting is not always the
> best then. In Sept the air should stabilize enough to be able to fly during
> the middle of the day when light is better.
>
> All in all, I like the camera. There are lots of features that could be
> if not helpful, at least interesting. As for the comparison to the Drift-
> About the only improvement to the drift is the GPS features. When the drift
> is set properly ( in this case minus one f stop) there is not a lot of
> difference between the two. I still think I will keep the Virb however.
>
>
> https://vimeo.com/103023194
> <https://vimeo.com/103023194?utm_source=email&utm_medium=clip-transcode_complete-finished-20120100&utm_campaign=7701&email_id=Y2xpcF90cmFuc2NvZGVkfDc3ZGZlZWMyNGFhN2E5MzU4NmIxMDM0Y2ViOGUyN2FkOTU3fDc2NDA2NDl8MTQwNzYyMTY3M3w3NzAx>
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The separate spacers were stiff enough to keep the brake disk from getting out
of calibration? I hadn't considered that. I thought the spacer would have to be
a solid assembly of some type. I guess the key would be to buy a brake disk
whose mounting holes line up with the wheel bolt holes if possible. I'm running
the stock azusalite 5 inch wheels right now. I figured I would have to make
a template of the hole pattern to take to the bike shop/amazon/ebay and see if
I could get something to already line up. That would make the job easier compared
to having somebody fabricate a special spacer for me. Thanks for all the
photos. They are saved in my archives now
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Gregg Kaat
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I am beginning to think that I might have a problem. I am going to check in
to videographers rehab tomorrow.
I plugged my Virb into the computer and they informed me that there was an
update available. Well I think they have a bug. I wasn't able to use it and
had to use my regular editing program, so there is not speed or altitude
information on this video. It is a bit different than the others however,
and the quality is good.
https://vimeo.com/103099119
<https://vimeo.com/103099119?utm_source=email&utm_medium=clip-transcode_complete-finished-20120100&utm_campaign=7701&email_id=Y2xpcF90cmFuc2NvZGVkfDYzZjZhYmY1NjI3OTc3ZDBkNTUzMTQ2OGM3YTY1YmQ0NzF8NzY0MDY0OXwxNDA3NzI4NjY1fDc3MDE%3D>
owyheeflyer
Larry
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