---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/10/14: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:51 AM - Re: Brakes (t41pilot) 2. 06:06 AM - Re: Re: Brakes (Gary Aman) 3. 06:14 AM - Re: Brakes (olendorf) 4. 06:54 AM - Re: Brakes (t41pilot) 5. 07:39 AM - Re: Re: Brakes (Larry Cottrell) 6. 08:18 AM - Re: Re: Brakes (Herb) 7. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: Brakes (Herb) 8. 08:50 AM - Re: Brakes (Thumper) 9. 09:28 AM - Re: Re: Brakes (Herb) 10. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: Brakes (Bob) 11. 11:41 AM - Re: testing a new camera! (David Kulp) 12. 11:41 AM - Re: Re: Brakes (Herb) 13. 12:08 PM - Re: testing a new camera! (Larry Cottrell) 14. 02:05 PM - Re: Brakes (t41pilot) 15. 04:25 PM - Re: testing a new camera! (undoctor) 16. 09:02 PM - another One :-/ (Larry Cottrell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:12 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Brakes From: "t41pilot" Thanks for the help Scott. Pictures are always worth a thousand words in my book. Just a couple questions if you don't mind. Do you use the brakes on your landing rollout to slow down or just on the ramp? I used to fly off a grass strip and brakes weren't really necessary but that airport closed so now I'm on a paved airport. I'm concerned about a noseover if the brakes are applied too hard after landing. Also, did you have to buy new axles from Kolb or did you buy some stock yourself? I'm pretty sure the original axles are heat treated. My axles were cut down to fit during my build since I wasn't using brakes, so I need some new ones to accommodate the brake assembly. I'm not sure if a regular pipe threader for plumbing can do steel for the threads needed on the end of the axle. You can buy 5/8 #8 Bolts at the hardware which are hardened but I'm not sure they are strong enough to do the job. My landings are pretty good but not all are greasers. -------- Gregg Kaat 2011 Firefly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428258#428258 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Brakes From: Gary Aman Nicely done,very light clean installation Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 9, 2014, at 9:36 PM, "olendorf" wrote: > > > I put these on my Firestar. They work great. One finger will bring me to a screeching halt. > > They are cable activated bike brakes. > > Avid BB7 Road Disc Brake 140mm x 6 Bolt > > I hope you can see what I did there. I had to make two brackets out of aluminum. One bracket plate has the four bolts going through the rim on one side and six bolts holding the rotor on the other side. I switched to narrower tires to make this work. I may have been able to use longer bolts but I like the way this came out. The second bracket is for the caliper to mount to. I thought three bolts on the axle plate would work but I couldn't get a bolt through there so it is held on with just two bolts and is plenty. > > The nice feature of these brakes is that the individual side pads can be adjusted easily with your fingers. > > -------- > Scott Olendorf > Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop > Schenectady, NY > http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/ > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428252#428252 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/brakes3_114.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/brakes2_125.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/brakes1_187.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:53 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Brakes From: "olendorf" I do use the brakes on landing rollout, taxiing and as a parking brake while I'm getting into the plane since I start the engine outside then get in. You need to use the brakes carefully because you will nose over. Not as much an issue when landing because you have more air over the tail to help keep it down. Its really only an issue when trying to do a run up with the brakes locked. I can't get over 4000rpms in a runup without nosing over. Another concern with using a single handle brake lever is that you will want to adjust your calipers so you get an even pull on both sides. I do that by holding a little brake while taxiing and feel if it is pulling one way or the other, then get out and adjust them. My axles were already adapted for brakes. They had the flange welded on. I don't have the knowledge to turn a bolt into an axle. That seems like a bad place to take a shortcut. I would buy the proper axles and have a flange welded on. I do know that plumbing threads are not the same as regular nuts and bolts threads. -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428260#428260 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:06 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Brakes From: "t41pilot" Thanks Scott. You've been most helpful. I mis-spoke on the bolt. I meant Grade 8 not #8. They make those bolts long enough already to use as axles and are threaded on the ends but I'm guessing they are not strong enough or they would be in use already. Unless there are any other ideas for new axles, I will have to call Kolb for a price on new ones. Ultimately I will compare the cost of building a brake system and compare it to the cost of a commercial black max system. -------- Gregg Kaat 2011 Firefly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428261#428261 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Brakes From: Larry Cottrell You should check with Travis, they have the axles already made up with the flange already there. I am sure if you needed something special that Travis could have it for you in nothing flat. Not a whole lot of sense in cobbling something together. I liked the hand brake, but I wanted independent braking. Since I have little patience and a welder I decided to make my own. Its not all that much different than the single brake lever. Larry On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 7:53 AM, t41pilot wrote: > > Thanks Scott. You've been most helpful. I mis-spoke on the bolt. I meant > Grade 8 not #8. They make those bolts long enough already to use as axles > and are threaded on the ends but I'm guessing they are not strong enough or > they would be in use already. Unless there are any other ideas for new > axles, I will have to call Kolb for a price on new ones. Ultimately I will > compare the cost of building a brake system and compare it to the cost of a > commercial black max system. > > -------- > Gregg Kaat > 2011 Firefly > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428261#428261 > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:04 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Brakes I installed mountain bike brakes on my Firefly...worked fine...cost about 70 bucks...using my lathe and labor...Herb ps the long cable runs caused some stretching...so they felt a bit spongy.. On 08/10/2014 08:53 AM, t41pilot wrote: > > Thanks Scott. You've been most helpful. I mis-spoke on the bolt. I meant Grade 8 not #8. They make those bolts long enough already to use as axles and are threaded on the ends but I'm guessing they are not strong enough or they would be in use already. Unless there are any other ideas for new axles, I will have to call Kolb for a price on new ones. Ultimately I will compare the cost of building a brake system and compare it to the cost of a commercial black max system. > > -------- > Gregg Kaat > 2011 Firefly > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428261#428261 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:48 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Brakes Here is a set for sale on ebay...Herb http://www.ebay.com/itm/BB5-BB-5-MTB-Mechanical-Disc-Brake-Front-and-Rear-160mm-Rotor-Black-/251448329773?pt=US_Brakes&var=&hash=item3a8b7d062d ps if I were doing it again...I would try the hydraulic versions... On 08/10/2014 10:17 AM, Herb wrote: > > I installed mountain bike brakes on my Firefly...worked fine...cost > about 70 bucks...using my lathe and labor...Herb > > ps the long cable runs caused some stretching...so they felt a bit > spongy.. > On 08/10/2014 08:53 AM, t41pilot wrote: >> >> Thanks Scott. You've been most helpful. I mis-spoke on the bolt. I >> meant Grade 8 not #8. They make those bolts long enough already to >> use as axles and are threaded on the ends but I'm guessing they are >> not strong enough or they would be in use already. Unless there are >> any other ideas for new axles, I will have to call Kolb for a price >> on new ones. Ultimately I will compare the cost of building a brake >> system and compare it to the cost of a commercial black max system. >> >> -------- >> Gregg Kaat >> 2011 Firefly >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428261#428261 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:36 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Brakes From: "Thumper" These are the same BB7 brakes but I used the parallel levers under the seat and just reached down for equal braking or differential braking. Worked great. Sold the airplane but these pictures should help. Dennis -------- Dennis Long Oakland TN 2000 Aeroprakt A20 Vista Cruiser Previously Kolb Mark IIIC, 94 Firestar, 84 Ultrastar. 700+hours since 1/1/2009 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428268#428268 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_3392_128.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_3391_210.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_3364_158.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_3394_152.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_3393_946.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_3301_977.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:35 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Brakes I used spacers also...I wanted to turn two spools instead..but I could not find any large diameter aluminum at the salvage yard... plus , my wheel barrow rims were not true and I needed to add shims...Herb On 08/10/2014 10:50 AM, Thumper wrote: > > These are the same BB7 brakes but I used the parallel levers under the seat and just reached down for equal braking or differential braking. Worked great. Sold the airplane but these pictures should help. > > Dennis > > -------- > Dennis Long > Oakland TN > 2000 Aeroprakt A20 Vista Cruiser > Previously Kolb Mark IIIC, 94 Firestar, 84 Ultrastar. > 700+hours since 1/1/2009 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428268#428268 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_3392_128.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_3391_210.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_3364_158.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_3394_152.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_3393_946.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/100_3301_977.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:23 AM PST US From: "Bob" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Brakes With apparently lots of available braking, why would you go with the hydraulic version next time? Looks like price is only a little higher. I need to change from band brakes on a MkIII, and this looks like a really elegant solution, along with the dual under seat handle configuration. Bob "ps if I were doing it again...I would try the hydraulic versions..." On 08/10/2014 10:17 AM, Herb wrote: > -----Original Message----- From: Herb Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 8:34 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Brakes Here is a set for sale on ebay...Herb http://www.ebay.com/itm/BB5-BB-5-MTB-Mechanical-Disc-Brake-Front-and-Rear-160mm-Rotor-Black-/251448329773?pt=US_Brakes&var=&hash=item3a8b7d062d ps if I were doing it again...I would try the hydraulic versions... On 08/10/2014 10:17 AM, Herb wrote: > > I installed mountain bike brakes on my Firefly...worked fine...cost about > 70 bucks...using my lathe and labor...Herb > > ps the long cable runs caused some stretching...so they felt a bit > spongy.. > On 08/10/2014 08:53 AM, t41pilot wrote: >> >> Thanks Scott. You've been most helpful. I mis-spoke on the bolt. I meant >> Grade 8 not #8. They make those bolts long enough already to use as >> axles and are threaded on the ends but I'm guessing they are not strong >> enough or they would be in use already. Unless there are any other ideas >> for new axles, I will have to call Kolb for a price on new ones. >> Ultimately I will compare the cost of building a brake system and compare >> it to the cost of a commercial black max system. >> >> -------- >> Gregg Kaat >> 2011 Firefly >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428261#428261 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:28 AM PST US From: David Kulp Subject: Re: Kolb-List: testing a new camera! Hi Larry, Played your vid and here's what I found. I have two browsers, Firefox and IE. I use FF for almost everything except videos, as no matter what I've tried videos from youtube and the like chatter and jump, although the sound is usually unbroken, so I use IE as default for videos. Opened your video and it jumped and stuttered from beginning to end. The sound was OK. Out of curiosity I opened it in Firefox. Not only did the video jump and stutter, the sound stuttered as well. I don't know if it's my connection or the video or vimeo that is causing the reduction in quality across the board, just wanted to let you know so you have the data you're looking for. By the way, here in PA if we do touch and goes on a lake we would get very wet and have to fish our aircraft out of the water. BTW, your HKS seems to be a significant improvement. Dave Kulp Bethlehem, PA Do Not Archive On 8/9/2014 6:57 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > I finally decided to try Garmin's Virb video camera. I have been > dithering for months as to whether it was worth the expense or not. > Finally I decided to give up and get the thing. One of the features > that I liked was that you could show your speed on the camera. I seem > to have trouble remembering my actual flying speed, since there are so > many distractions when one is suspended between the clouds and the > ground. > > After I added the "baffle" to the muffler,( a 5 inch flat plate that > seems to realign the air flow coming off the 8 inch round muffler ) I > seemed to be going a lot faster than I remembered before I added it. > One of the things about the Virb is that the GPS in the camera > records the speed, and a whole lot of other things. Not being that > interested in my heart rate, I think I will pass on that one. My > measurement of excitement is how dry my mouth gets. > > I stuck it on the other wing on the tube that holds the wing when it > is folded. That seems to be the least amount of vibration on the > entire plane. I did get some harmonics, especially when I throttled > back. The camera is supposed to have a "stabilization feature" but > apparently flying isn't that stable. > > The colors produced by the camera did not require me to use the > "enhancement feature" of my editing program. It seemed to be a little > dark, but I tend to fly early in the morning and the lighting is not > always the best then. In Sept the air should stabilize enough to be > able to fly during the middle of the day when light is better. > > All in all, I like the camera. There are lots of features that could > be if not helpful, at least interesting. As for the comparison to the > Drift- About the only improvement to the drift is the GPS features. > When the drift is set properly ( in this case minus one f stop) there > is not a lot of difference between the two. I still think I will keep > the Virb however. > > > https://vimeo.com/103023194 > > owyheeflyer > > Larry > > > -- > /If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending./ > * > > > * --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:29 AM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Brakes Just the ease of running the lines...and I do not think the cost is very much more? And the cable stretch that I mentioned... Kolbs do not need super brakes...that is certain...Haven't check on the price of a nose cone lately! :-) On 08/10/2014 12:59 PM, Bob wrote: > > With apparently lots of available braking, why would you go with the > hydraulic version next time? Looks like price is only a little > higher. I need to change from band brakes on a MkIII, and this looks > like a really elegant solution, along with the dual under seat handle > configuration. > Bob > > "ps if I were doing it again...I would try the hydraulic versions..." > On 08/10/2014 10:17 AM, Herb wrote: >> > > -----Original Message----- From: Herb > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 8:34 AM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Brakes > > > Here is a set for sale on ebay...Herb > http://www.ebay.com/itm/BB5-BB-5-MTB-Mechanical-Disc-Brake-Front-and-Rear-160mm-Rotor-Black-/251448329773?pt=US_Brakes&var=&hash=item3a8b7d062d > > > ps if I were doing it again...I would try the hydraulic versions... > On 08/10/2014 10:17 AM, Herb wrote: >> >> I installed mountain bike brakes on my Firefly...worked fine...cost >> about 70 bucks...using my lathe and labor...Herb >> >> ps the long cable runs caused some stretching...so they felt a bit >> spongy.. >> On 08/10/2014 08:53 AM, t41pilot wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Scott. You've been most helpful. I mis-spoke on the bolt. I >>> meant Grade 8 not #8. They make those bolts long enough already to >>> use as axles and are threaded on the ends but I'm guessing they are >>> not strong enough or they would be in use already. Unless there are >>> any other ideas for new axles, I will have to call Kolb for a price >>> on new ones. Ultimately I will compare the cost of building a brake >>> system and compare it to the cost of a commercial black max system. >>> >>> -------- >>> Gregg Kaat >>> 2011 Firefly >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428261#428261 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:08:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: testing a new camera! From: Larry Cottrell Thanks for the input, but it has to be on your end. It doesn't do that here or anyone else that I have heard. They are the highest quality that I can get on the net, so the size might be your problem. You can always default to 720 rather than the HD. Sorry that it didn't show as intended. Larry On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 12:38 PM, David Kulp wrote: > Hi Larry, > > Played your vid and here's what I found. I have two browsers, Firefox and > IE. I use FF for almost everything except videos, as no matter what I've > tried videos from youtube and the like chatter and jump, although the sound > is usually unbroken, so I use IE as default for videos. > > Opened your video and it jumped and stuttered from beginning to end. The > sound was OK. Out of curiosity I opened it in Firefox. Not only did the > video jump and stutter, the sound stuttered as well. I don't know if it's > my connection or the video or vimeo that is causing the reduction in > quality across the board, just wanted to let you know so you have the data > you're looking for. > > By the way, here in PA if we do touch and goes on a lake we would get very > wet and have to fish our aircraft out of the water. > > BTW, your HKS seems to be a significant improvement. > > Dave Kulp > Bethlehem, PA > > Do Not Archive > > > On 8/9/2014 6:57 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > > I finally decided to try Garmin's Virb video camera. I have been dithering > for months as to whether it was worth the expense or not. Finally I decided > to give up and get the thing. One of the features that I liked was that you > could show your speed on the camera. I seem to have trouble remembering my > actual flying speed, since there are so many distractions when one is > suspended between the clouds and the ground. > > After I added the "baffle" to the muffler,( a 5 inch flat plate that > seems to realign the air flow coming off the 8 inch round muffler ) I > seemed to be going a lot faster than I remembered before I added it. One > of the things about the Virb is that the GPS in the camera records the > speed, and a whole lot of other things. Not being that interested in my > heart rate, I think I will pass on that one. My measurement of excitement > is how dry my mouth gets. > > I stuck it on the other wing on the tube that holds the wing when it is > folded. That seems to be the least amount of vibration on the entire plane. > I did get some harmonics, especially when I throttled back. The camera is > supposed to have a "stabilization feature" but apparently flying isn't that > stable. > > The colors produced by the camera did not require me to use the > "enhancement feature" of my editing program. It seemed to be a little dark, > but I tend to fly early in the morning and the lighting is not always the > best then. In Sept the air should stabilize enough to be able to fly during > the middle of the day when light is better. > > All in all, I like the camera. There are lots of features that could be > if not helpful, at least interesting. As for the comparison to the Drift- > About the only improvement to the drift is the GPS features. When the drift > is set properly ( in this case minus one f stop) there is not a lot of > difference between the two. I still think I will keep the Virb however. > > > https://vimeo.com/103023194 > > owyheeflyer > > Larry > > > -- > *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending.* > > > ------------------------------ > > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > > * > > > * > > -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:05:32 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Brakes From: "t41pilot" The separate spacers were stiff enough to keep the brake disk from getting out of calibration? I hadn't considered that. I thought the spacer would have to be a solid assembly of some type. I guess the key would be to buy a brake disk whose mounting holes line up with the wheel bolt holes if possible. I'm running the stock azusalite 5 inch wheels right now. I figured I would have to make a template of the hole pattern to take to the bike shop/amazon/ebay and see if I could get something to already line up. That would make the job easier compared to having somebody fabricate a special spacer for me. Thanks for all the photos. They are saved in my archives now -------- Gregg Kaat 2011 Firefly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428280#428280 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: testing a new camera! 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PST US Subject: Kolb-List: another One :-/ From: Larry Cottrell I am beginning to think that I might have a problem. I am going to check in to videographers rehab tomorrow. I plugged my Virb into the computer and they informed me that there was an update available. Well I think they have a bug. I wasn't able to use it and had to use my regular editing program, so there is not speed or altitude information on this video. It is a bit different than the others however, and the quality is good. https://vimeo.com/103099119 owyheeflyer Larry -- *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.