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1. 05:37 AM - Re: Weak gear leg fitting? (Richard Pike)
2. 05:45 AM - Re: Weak gear leg fitting? (John Hauck)
3. 07:14 AM - Re: Weak gear leg fitting? (Denny Baber)
4. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: Annual (Richard Girard)
5. 08:00 AM - Re: Re: Annual (Richard Girard)
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| Subject: | Re: Weak gear leg fitting? |
OK, did not know that they are now .120. After we get the airplane home, I'll call
Travis and get some. Thanks.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | Weak gear leg fitting? |
Fourteen years ago a single failed gear leg/axle socket put a stop to my
second attempt to fly my MKIII to Point Barrow, Alaska. That single
gear leg/axle socket cost me a torn up airplane, a lot of grief and
money, plus 30 days to hitchhike and fly commercial to Alabama, find a
24 foot enclosed trailer, then drive back to northern British Columbia
to retrieve my airplane.
I have been using heat treated 4130 gear legs since 1987, but I was
still using a bolt on gear leg/axle socket because it was easier for me
to align the main gear. Brother Jim wanted to fabricate the steel gear
legs with .120" axle sockets welded to the end of the gear leg, but I
resisted and ended up paying dearly for that decision. I have been
flying with the same set of steel gear legs with welded axle sockets
since I rebuilt the MKIII in 2000 and 2001. Don=99t know how many
hours or landings I have on those gear legs, but I am still flying with
them.
I have torn up Firestar fuselages with aluminum gear legs, i.e., ripped
out gear leg sockets. The aluminum gear legs my save fuselages in some
cases, but not in all cases.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Cottrell
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Weak gear leg fitting?
I may be wrong,( the photo was so small :-) ) but the fitting appeared
to be one of the early axles. Those were 60 thousands in thickness. The
current models are the 120 thousand thickness.
I had the thin ones on my plane and they too caused me a lot of
problems. I have since gone to heat treated 4130 because of the problems
with the axles and gear legs. I wouldn't go back.
I realize that Homer felt that it would prevent damage to the cage to
have the gear legs fail first, as a limit to the damage. That has not
been reflective of my experience. Failing gear legs and sockets have
caused heavy damage to the cage due to the legs failing for what would
have been no more than a rough landing with the proper gear legs.
for what its worth,
Larry
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org>
wrote:
More FSII gear leg problems today. Several years ago we virtually
totaled N582EF for a really bad landing where the welded fitting that
joins the landing gear leg to the axle failed. Had the fitting not
failed, it would have been bad, but not a virtual total. So we rebuilt
it.
Today Ed landed the FSII in a friends hay field due to a fuel problem.
It was a hard landing, but nothing remarkable. It should have been maybe
a slightly bent gear at worst, pull the gear leg out and straighten it.
Yet the fitting failed in exactly the same fashion as happened several
years ago. Once we get the airplane home - hopefully tomorrow - I plan
to take the factory fittings and beef them up as much as I can. I no
longer trust them, and will be welding some straps or saddles over and
around them.
Just something for the rest of you guys to think about.
PS: Note that the file has been resized to 64 kb, and fits very nicely
onto the page. No resizing of the page or scrolling back and forth is
necessary. [Wink]
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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| Subject: | Re: Weak gear leg fitting? |
You might want to rethink modifying that. Forced landings will cause
damage, it's just where you want it to happen.
Sincerely,
Denny Baber
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Brad, The short answer is no. Since the grandfathering clause for "fat
ultralights" ended on Jan 31st 2010 the only way to get an ELSA certificate
is to have a kit built from a qualifying SLSA. See FAR 21.191 (i) 2.
Rick
do not archive
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Brad Nation <nationcap@comcast.net> wrote:
> It is listed as an EAB.
> Is it even possible to get the registration changed to ELSA?
>
> Brad Nation
>
> On Aug 12, 2014, at 9:18 , Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Brad, There are two types of experimental certificates most commonly. One
> is experimental amateur built (EAB), and the other is experimental light
> sport aircraft (ELSA).
> Only the original builder can get a repairman certificate for an EAB so a
> non-builder owner has to hire an A & P to do the annual conditional
> inspection.
> The owner of an ELSA can take a 16 hour class and get a repairman
> inspection certificate for his/her airplane ONLY. When you get the license
> from the FAA it will have the N number of your aircraft on it.
> There's also the off chance that your aircraft is registered experimental
> exhibition (EE). If you have that you'd be making annual reports to your
> local FAA Flight Standards District Office (FSDO) outlining what flying
> you're going to be allowed to do, so I doubt your aircraft is EE, but you
> should check, just in case.
> For all you $50, one hour annual folks. Go to FAR 43 Appendix D and take a
> look at all the things required on an annual and tell me how you check all
> that in one hour and do the paperwork. Either you've hired Speedy Gonzalez
> or you're doing a pencil whip.
> Since you're already in FAR 43, go to 43.12 and contemplate what it says.
> Take a moment to think about what a lawyer could do to you if there were a
> crash involving serious injury or loss of life. Think about having
> everything you've worked for in life taken from you, possibly even your
> freedom.
> Still think that $50 looks reasonable?
>
> Rick Girard
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> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 11:00 PM, yellowbird1 <nationcap@comcast.net>
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Malcolm, all, An ELSA must only be exactly like its SLSA qualifying
aircraft at the time of inspection for the experimental certificate. Once
the certificate is issued it's an experimental and you can change ANYTHING
you want.
Rick Girard
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 9:04 PM, <gliderx5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Brad
>
> I believe that you cannot change to ELSA. Only airplane kits that have
> been demonstrated to be SLSA (factory built LSA) and are offered as a kit
> that cannot be modified at all are eligible to be ELSA. Furthermore, once
> it's registered EAB it cannot be changed. The only change allowed is for an
> SLSA to move to ELSA.
>
> Malcolm Morrison
> wienerdogaero.com
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> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 12, 2014 7:32:41 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Kolb-List: Re: Annual
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> It is listed as an EAB.
> Is it even possible to get the registration changed to ELSA?
>
> Brad Nation
>
> On Aug 12, 2014, at 9:18 , Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Brad, There are two types of experimental certificates most commonly. One
> is experimental amateur built (EAB), and the other is experimental light
> sport aircraft (ELSA).
> Only the original builder can get a repairman certificate for an EAB so a
> non-builder owner has to hire an A & P to do the annual conditional
> inspection.
> The owner of an ELSA can take a 16 hour class and get a repairman
> inspection certificate for his/her airplane ONLY. When you get the license
> from the FAA it will have the N number of your aircraft on it.
> There's also the off chance that your aircraft is registered experimental
> exhibition (EE). If you have that you'd be making annual reports to your
> local FAA Flight Standards District Office (FSDO) outlining what flying
> you're going to be allowed to do, so I doubt your aircraft is EE, but you
> should check, just in case.
> For all you $50, one hour annual folks. Go to FAR 43 Appendix D and take a
> look at all the things required on an annual and tell me how you check all
> that in one hour and do the paperwork. Either you've hired Speedy Gonzalez
> or you're doing a pencil whip.
> Since you're already in FAR 43, go to 43.12 and contemplate what it says.
> Take a moment to think about what a lawyer could do to you if there were a
> crash involving serious injury or loss of life. Think about having
> everything you've worked for in life taken from you, possibly even your
> freedom.
> Still think that $50 looks reasonable?
>
> Rick Girard
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 11:00 PM, yellowbird1 <nationcap@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
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>> My kolb is registered as an N numbered experimental
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>> Brad Nation,
>> Albuquerque, NM
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