---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/16/14: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:17 AM - Re: Brakes (Ducati SS) 2. 04:41 AM - Re: Re: Brakes (John Hauck) 3. 06:11 AM - Re: Brakes (Ducati SS) 4. 08:38 AM - ELSA...? (Nick Cassara) 5. 10:29 AM - Re: ELSA...? (B Young) 6. 05:49 PM - Re: Brakes (olendorf) 7. 08:34 PM - Re: Weak gear leg fitting? (Richard Pike) 8. 08:39 PM - Re: Weak gear leg fitting? (Richard Pike) 9. 09:05 PM - Re: Re: Weak gear leg fitting? (John Hauck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:10 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Brakes From: "Ducati SS" Firefly brakes. Have not taxied with these yet but they work well on the considerable slope of my driveway. Changed to these to save weight, had Black Max which worked extremely well but this setup is 4 to 4.25 lbs. lighter. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428555#428555 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_800x800_146.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_800x598_161.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/image_800x598_2_242.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/brake_2_800x598_270.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/brake_1_800x598_141.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:48 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Brakes Very clean and professional installation. What size tires are you using? They look very small. Larger tires and low air pressure take a lot of shock load off the gear legs and airframe. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama Firefly brakes. Have not taxied with these yet but they work well on the considerable slope of my driveway. Changed to these to save weight, had Black Max which worked extremely well but this setup is 4 to 4.25 lbs. lighter. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:12 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Brakes From: "Ducati SS" I will need to go out to the hanger to check size but yes they are narrow. Given a choice I would much rather have the Black Max rims and tires, landings with those were very gentle. Unfortunately they were to heavy. With the products on the market I do not believe it possible to get much lighter than this setup. I called Travis and requested a new set of gear sockets with the axle tube 9/16" shorter than standard, this saved over 1" of 4130 and axle. All the bolts and axles are Ti, axle nuts are nylock AL, cable splitter is CF, Ti and AL, lever is a 37 gram bicycle unit, the splitter is under the rear of the seat to save running two cables to the lever, caliper carriers are drilled and wheel spacers are plastic. I also made an AL and CF BRS mount saving 1 lb and am currently adapting an auto racing 4 point harness, again saving about 1lb. Longer term I have a Kawasaki TA440 to install which will be about 10 lbs. lighter and allow me to reinstall the Black Max brakes if the narrow tires do not work out. One plus to the current system is a reduction of drag. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428558#428558 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:38:45 AM PST US From: "Nick Cassara" Subject: Kolb-List: ELSA...? Hello All, In my case I bought a kit to recreate a prototype aircraft that no longer exists. It will not be an exact copy of the prototype plane that no longer exists, and the design was and will remain significantly deferent from the production model. Do you think I will be able to get an ELSA? Thanks, Nick Cassara Palmer, Alaska ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ELSA...? From: B Young If the kit was an approved as an esla kit you should be ok. Even if the prototype no longer exist. The inspector will only be able to compare your finished project to the esla approved plans. If you don't have esla plans. Imho in my humble opinion,, your only option is eab. And if you have esla plans and have made any modifications while building your plane does not fit esla rules. You would be left with eab Boyd young On Aug 16, 2014 9:40 AM, "Nick Cassara" wrote: > Hello All, > > > In my case I bought a kit to recreate a prototype aircraft that no longer > exists. It will not be an exact copy of the prototype plane that no longer > exists, and the design was and will remain significantly deferent from the > production model. Do you think I will be able to get an ELSA? > > > Thanks, > > > Nick Cassara > > Palmer, Alaska > > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:49:40 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Brakes From: "olendorf" DucattiSS, Those brakes look so clean they almost look like they were computer generated. Time to get them dirty. -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://sites.google.com/site/kolbfirestar/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428585#428585 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:28 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Weak gear leg fitting? From: "Richard Pike" John Hauck wrote: > Fourteen years ago a single failed gear leg/axle socket put a stop to my second attempt to fly my MKIII to Point Barrow, Alaska. That single gear leg/axle socket cost me a torn up airplane, a lot of grief and money, plus 30 days to hitchhike and fly commercial to Alabama, find a 24 foot enclosed trailer, then drive back to northern British Columbia to retrieve my airplane. > > I have been using heat treated 4130 gear legs since 1987, but I was still using a bolt on gear leg/axle socket because it was easier for me to align the main gear. Brother Jim wanted to fabricate the steel gear legs with .120" axle sockets welded to the end of the gear leg, but I resisted and ended up paying dearly for that decision. I have been flying with the same set of steel gear legs with welded axle sockets since I rebuilt the MKIII in 2000 and 2001. Dont know how many hours or landings I have on those gear legs, but I am still flying with them. > > I have torn up Firestar fuselages with aluminum gear legs, i.e., ripped out gear leg sockets. The aluminum gear legs my save fuselages in some cases, but not in all cases. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > Talked to Travis and ordered new FSII aluminum gear legs and steel end fittings for the axle, he did not mention steel gear legs for the FSII. Are there any steel FSII gear legs? If so, I would like to know about it. Should I call Travis back on Monday and change my order? -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 My soul shall be joyful in the LORD; It shall rejoice in His salvation. Psalm 35:9 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428588#428588 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:43 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Weak gear leg fitting? From: "Richard Pike" baberdk wrote: > You might want to rethink modifying that. Forced landings will cause damage, it's just where you want it to happen. > > Sincerely, > Denny Baber baberdk@gmail.com (baberdk@gmail.com) > 309-796-2476 > Preconceived notions are the locks on the door to wisdom > This is what happens when the fitting on the end of the gear leg breaks, the wheel comes off, and the end of the gear leg stobs into the ground. How much worse could it be? -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 My soul shall be joyful in the LORD; It shall rejoice in His salvation. Psalm 35:9 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=428589#428589 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1130313_large_medium_490.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:06 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Weak gear leg fitting? I don't know. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama Talked to Travis and ordered new FSII aluminum gear legs and steel end fittings for the axle, he did not mention steel gear legs for the FSII. Are there any steel FSII gear legs? If so, I would like to know about it. Should I call Travis back on Monday and change my order? -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 My soul shall be joyful in the LORD; It shall rejoice in His salvation. 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