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1. 06:42 AM - Re: Facet Pump (Gary Aman)
2. 07:35 AM - Re: Facet Pump (John Hauck)
3. 01:11 PM - Angle of attack indicators... (Nick Cassara)
4. 01:18 PM - Re: Angle of attack indicators... (Mike)
5. 01:51 PM - Re: Angle of attack indicators... (John Hauck)
6. 03:13 PM - Re: Angle of attack indicators... (Larry Cottrell)
7. 05:18 PM - Re: Angle of attack indicators... (Mike)
8. 05:35 PM - Re: Angle of attack indicators... (kinne russ)
9. 07:46 PM - Re: Angle of attack indicators... (Richard Girard)
10. 07:51 PM - Re: Facet Pump (Robert Laird)
11. 07:53 PM - Re: Angle of attack indicators... (Richard Girard)
12. 07:59 PM - Re: Facet Pump (B Young)
13. 09:26 PM - Re: Facet Pump (Robert Laird)
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I have had 2 facet pumps leak air into the line ahead of the engine driven pump.
I'm still using one,but I no longer trust them completely. Only noticed this
because the fuel line was clear in the first case and the bubbles clearly seen.
The second case, a 912 mk3 with a NEW engine pump and a facet in the belly
under the tanks, total starvation and seemed off field landing but the pilot did
not activate the facet before landing which clouds the issue of cause, but
it was the 2nd fuel starvation event both with fuel levels below half tank and
it seemed suspicious.
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> On Aug 23, 2014, at 10:18 PM, "woody" <n3022.176@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I was wondering if anyone has had any trouble or heard of anyone having trouble
with a Facet "cube" pump. I put one on my Firestar last winter to use in place
of the squeeze bulb that has such a bad reputation. Mine had probably a hour
of use as all I do is prime the engine with it. In any case, last week I was
taxing down our local grass strip when the engine, (rotax 503) started running
rough & then died. I turned on the Facet & after a couple of minutes of cranking,
the engine sputtered to life. Well I revved the engine & headed for the
hanger but didn't quite make if before the engine went away again. I got out
& manhandled it through the 6" of bahiagrass & put it indoors, out of the scorching
sunshine. While running back to the hanger with the engine running poorly,
I noticed the EIS was reading the #1 cyl. had an EGT of 269 & the #2 was 760.
I wondered what could take out the #1 cyl. on both mags at once. When I pulled
the float bowl on #1, I got my answer, NO FUEL. I !
> started taking things apart & found no obstruction. When I tried the Facet into
a container I found that I had what looked to be about 1 gal. a day flow rate.
Scratching my head, I removed it & headed for the barn where I could find
some serious tools. When I took the Facet apart, I found that the check-valve,
(a mushroom shaped piece of what looks like nylon) was firmly stuck into a 45
deg. bevel, cast into the housing. What should have been a simple flutter valve
was stuck tight by a poorly finished casting. The steel fitting was very rough
on this bevel & I'm surprised that it sealed at all. I guess this explains
why the fuel would always drain back into the tank in a very short time.
> After a little polishing with some 320 grit on a dowel rod in my drill, the surface
is now very smooth & I highly doubt that it will stick again. If it does,
I hope that I am taxiing out when it does.
> I queried google, but could find no reports of this happening to anyone else.
Out of thousands of these little pumps out there, I may have bought the only
Lemon that they ever made, but I doubt that too.
> I put everything back together, but when I tried to start the engine I found
that all the cranking had taken a toll on my battery. The new battery is here
but I haven't had the time to put it to work.
> I hope that this is the end to this story...........
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Kolbers:
Been using Facet electric fuel pumps for 30+ years on airplanes, my three
Kolbs. Never had a problem.
My Facet is located beneath a 25.0 gal aluminum fuel tank. It has no
problem pushing fuel to both carbs on the 912 or the 582 I originally had on
my MKIII. I do not know if I have air bubbles in the line or not. I use
Gates premium neoprene fuel line.
I always use my Facet as a boost/back up pump on takeoff and landings, and
when I am flying low level. Many flights I leave the pump on for the entire
flight.
I believe the more you use one the better it operates. Facets pump fuel
full time for many small pickups, or at least before fuel injection came
along.
Any time a component is changed on the engine, the engine should be tied
down and run on the ground to simulate in flight operation, especially full
throttle. Make sure you run it full throttle for as long as you would
normally climb out on takeoff.
Air bubbles in the fuel line can drive an UL pilot crazy. I believe
gasoline has the capability to suspend air, this air is pulled from the fuel
when placed in a vacuum. There can also be air leaks because of the type
clamping system some of us use. I'd be more concerned with a fuel leak from
these connections than an air leak inside. The Bing carbs are designed to
separate air from the fuel in the float bowl.
Again, the above are my own ideas and not necessarily indorsed by ROTAX or
Kolb or anyone else. ;-)
Heading for Gantt IAP to change out the radiator hoses, flush the cooling
system, and fill the 912 up with some new long life antifreeze.
Finished up my entrance doors yesterday with new glass. Will be nice flying
long days with nice clean, clear Lexan. My photos should be clearer also.
Will be departing for the Rock Housed near Burns Junction, Oregon, two weeks
from today. Been doing a wind and weather dance for days. Looking forward
to getting back into the Rockies and the desert. Been two years since I
have flown my MKIII out there. The hard part is flying two days over pine
trees and flat lands. About half way across NM, near Vaughn, I should start
seeing the tops of the Rockies on the east side of Albuquerque.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
I have had 2 facet pumps leak air into the line ahead of the engine driven
pump. I'm still using one,but I no longer trust them completely. Only
noticed this because the fuel line was clear in the first case and the
bubbles clearly seen. The second case, a 912 mk3 with a NEW engine pump and
a facet in the belly under the tanks, total starvation and seemed off field
landing but the pilot did not activate the facet before landing which clouds
the issue of cause, but it was the 2nd fuel starvation event both with fuel
levels below half tank and it seemed suspicious.
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| Subject: | Angle of attack indicators... |
Hello Kolbers,
There is a big push by the local fight safety organizations here in Alaska
to get pilots to install Angle of Attack (AOA) indicators. Every year we
lose at least several pilots to low altitude stalls while circling big game
animals, in addition to other stalls causes. The military pilots, tell me
that AOA was the way they were taught to fly since the configuration of
their planes were often changing in flight. I am not planning on installing
rocket pods on my wings, but to me the AOA sounds like a good idea for at
least a low time pilot, if not everyone. Are there any AOA equipped Kolb's
out there?
Thanks,
Nick Cassara
607AK .starting to look like a plane!
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| Subject: | Angle of attack indicators... |
<Are there any AOA equipped Kolb=92s out there?>Yes=2C I know one at least
one.
Mike
From: nickc@mtaonline.net
Subject: Kolb-List: Angle of attack indicators...
Hello Kolbers=2C There is a big push by the local fight safety organization
s here in Alaska to get pilots to install Angle of Attack (AOA) indicators.
Every year we lose at least several pilots to low altitude stalls while ci
rcling big game animals=2C in addition to other stalls causes. The military
pilots=2C tell me that AOA was the way they were taught to fly since the c
onfiguration of their planes were often changing in flight. I am not planni
ng on installing rocket pods on my wings=2C but to me the AOA sounds like a
good idea for at least a low time pilot=2C if not everyone. Are there any
AOA equipped Kolb=92s out there? Thanks=2C Nick Cassara 607AK =85starting t
o look like a plane! =0A
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| Subject: | Angle of attack indicators... |
Mike W:
Have you flown your MKIII yet?
Haven't heard from you in a while.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 3:18 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Angle of attack indicators...
<Are there any AOA equipped Kolb's out there?>
Yes, I know one at least one.
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| Subject: | Re: Angle of attack indicators... |
You beat me to it. I almost typed in, "is it flying?????? I think that it
is pretty much a sure thing that that one will never stall.
Larry
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 2:51 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
> Mike W:
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> Haven't heard from you in a while.
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> Titus, Alabama
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> *Subject:* RE: Kolb-List: Angle of attack indicators...
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| Subject: | Re: Angle of attack indicators... |
Mike
I for one would love to see your schematic for the AOA indicator if you
have time to send
Thanx in advance
do not archive
Russ K
On Aug 24, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Mike wrote:
> Nick,
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> My AOA indicated comes by way of my Dynon D10a EFIS. It features an
audio alarm that is piped into my intercom system. Additionally, I
built a visual alarm of a line of 19 LEDs that strobe to the center on
my panel, much like those flashing lights on the highway that wants you
to change lanes.
>
> John,
>
> No, I haven't flown it yet, although it is virtually finished. Lots
of excuses, and some legitimate reasons. I quit work 9 years ago (I was
a concrete contractor) but didn't have any money coming in, relying on
my wife's income to pay bills, which we do by just barely squeezing by
each month since she is a 3rd grade teacher.
> I haven't had the $1000 it would take to get my tail wheel
endorsement, and updated BFR.
>
> Ahhh, then the main reason. Two years ago I mentioned I had a
tremendous attack of glaucoma. In the course of one month, I lost about
50% of the vision in my left eye. Gone forever, ain'ta never coming
back.
>
> As if that wasn't enough, last year in January I had a major medical
catastrophe. Lucky to be alive. $50,000 in medical bills, including
new double cataract surgeries to replace both lenses due to cloudy
vision.
>
> This year I am still trying to recuperate from last year's fiasco.
I am almost there....or at least as good as I'm going to be.
>
> I sold the GlaStar kit I was working on, and now have the money, but
presently my focus is on restoring a '66 Mustang fastback.
>
> I plan on keeping my Kolb, and anticipate being able to fly it in a
year or so.
>
> Everybody,
>
> About two plus years ago I shared with this list a home-made AOA
indicator (I think) using a Hall Effect circuit, magnet and torpedo
pointer looking thing.
> I know I shared with list the home-made "lift reserve" indicator. I
have one "store bought" model (made by LRI, Inc), and I also have one I
made exactly like it myself.
>
> If anyone is interested, I'll dig through my files and see if I can
post them again.
>
> Best regards to all,
> Mike Welch
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 24, 2014, at 3:20 PM, "Mike" <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> <Are there any AOA equipped Kolb=92s out there?>
>>
>> Yes, I know one at least one.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> From: nickc@mtaonline.net
>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kolb-List: Angle of attack indicators...
>> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:10:36 -0800
>>
>> Hello Kolbers,
>>
>>
>> There is a big push by the local fight safety organizations here in
Alaska to get pilots to install Angle of Attack (AOA) indicators. Every
year we lose at least several pilots to low altitude stalls while
circling big game animals, in addition to other stalls causes. The
military pilots, tell me that AOA was the way they were taught to fly
since the configuration of their planes were often changing in flight. I
am not planning on installing rocket pods on my wings, but to me the AOA
sounds like a good idea for at least a low time pilot, if not everyone.
Are there any AOA equipped Kolb=92s out there?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Nick Cassara
>>
>>
>> 607AK =85starting to look like a plane!
>>
>>
>>
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Russ, all, Somewhere in the archives should be an article I posted about
three years ago that a member of my EAA chapter wrote about the lift
reserve indicator he built for his RV. It was complete with the part no. of
the gauge he used and instructions on how to tune the two pitot tubes that
drive it.
Rick Girard
do not archive
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 7:35 PM, kinne russ <russk50@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mike
> I for one would love to see your schematic for the AOA indicator if you
> have time to send
> Thanx in advance
> do not archive
> Russ K
>
>
> On Aug 24, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Mike wrote:
>
> Nick,
>
> My AOA indicated comes by way of my Dynon D10a EFIS. It features an
> audio alarm that is piped into my intercom system. Additionally, I built
a
> visual alarm of a line of 19 LEDs that strobe to the center on my panel,
> much like those flashing lights on the highway that wants you to change
> lanes.
>
> John,
>
> No, I haven't flown it yet, although it is virtually finished. Lots of
> excuses, and some legitimate reasons. I quit work 9 years ago (I was a
> concrete contractor) but didn't have any money coming in, relying on my
> wife's income to pay bills, which we do by just barely squeezing by each
> month since she is a 3rd grade teacher.
> I haven't had the $1000 it would take to get my tail wheel endorsement,
> and updated BFR.
>
> Ahhh, then the main reason. Two years ago I mentioned I had a
> tremendous attack of glaucoma. In the course of one month, I lost about
> 50% of the vision in my left eye. Gone forever, ain'ta never coming back
.
>
> As if that wasn't enough, last year in January I had a major medical
> catastrophe. Lucky to be alive. $50,000 in medical bills, including new
> double cataract surgeries to replace both lenses due to cloudy vision.
>
> This year I am still trying to recuperate from last year's fiasco. I a
m
> almost there....or at least as good as I'm going to be.
>
> I sold the GlaStar kit I was working on, and now have the money, but
> presently my focus is on restoring a '66 Mustang fastback.
>
> I plan on keeping my Kolb, and anticipate being able to fly it in a yea
r
> or so.
>
> Everybody,
>
> About two plus years ago I shared with this list a home-made AOA
> indicator (I think) using a Hall Effect circuit, magnet and torpedo point
er
> looking thing.
> I know I shared with list the home-made "lift reserve" indicator. I
> have one "store bought" model (made by LRI, Inc), and I also have one I
> made exactly like it myself.
>
> If anyone is interested, I'll dig through my files and see if I can pos
t
> them again.
>
> Best regards to all,
> Mike Welch
>
>
> On Aug 24, 2014, at 3:20 PM, "Mike" <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> <Are there any AOA equipped Kolb=99s out there?>
>
> Yes, I know one at least one.
>
> Mike
>
> ------------------------------
> From: nickc@mtaonline.net
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Angle of attack indicators...
> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:10:36 -0800
>
> Hello Kolbers,
>
>
> There is a big push by the local fight safety organizations here in Alask
a
> to get pilots to install Angle of Attack (AOA) indicators. Every year we
> lose at least several pilots to low altitude stalls while circling big ga
me
> animals, in addition to other stalls causes. The military pilots, tell me
> that AOA was the way they were taught to fly since the configuration of
> their planes were often changing in flight. I am not planning on installi
ng
> rocket pods on my wings, but to me the AOA sounds like a good idea for at
> least a low time pilot, if not everyone. Are there any AOA equipped Kolb
=99s
> out there?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Nick Cassara
>
>
> 607AK starting to look like a plane!
>
>
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Woody --
Many years ago I had a RAN S12-XL with a 503 and used a facet pump. I had
it for several months without incident, but then had an engine out on take
off. Luckily, my training kicked in and I was able to land straight-ahead
without a scratch to me or the plane. After I coasted to a stop, the
engine started right back up!
Long story short, like yours the check-valve had malfunctioned and could
not open fully, so fuel at WOT was constrained. I replaced the pump with
another Facet, and never had a problem after that.
-- Robert
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 9:18 PM, woody <n3022.176@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I was wondering if anyone has had any trouble or heard of anyone having
> trouble with a Facet "cube" pump. I put one on my Firestar last winter to
> use in place of the squeeze bulb that has such a bad reputation. Mine had
> probably a hour of use as all I do is prime the engine with it. In any
> case, last week I was taxing down our local grass strip when the engine,
> (rotax 503) started running rough & then died. I turned on the Facet &
> after a couple of minutes of cranking, the engine sputtered to life. Well I
> revved the engine & headed for the hanger but didn't quite make if before
> the engine went away again. I got out & manhandled it through the 6" of
> bahiagrass & put it indoors, out of the scorching sunshine. While running
> back to the hanger with the engine running poorly, I noticed the EIS was
> reading the #1 cyl. had an EGT of 269 & the #2 was 760. I wondered what
> could take out the #1 cyl. on both mags at once. When I pulled the float
> bowl on #1, I got my answer, NO FUEL. I !
> started taking things apart & found no obstruction. When I tried the
> Facet into a container I found that I had what looked to be about 1 gal. a
> day flow rate. Scratching my head, I removed it & headed for the barn where
> I could find some serious tools. When I took the Facet apart, I found that
> the check-valve, (a mushroom shaped piece of what looks like nylon) was
> firmly stuck into a 45 deg. bevel, cast into the housing. What should have
> been a simple flutter valve was stuck tight by a poorly finished casting.
> The steel fitting was very rough on this bevel & I'm surprised that it
> sealed at all. I guess this explains why the fuel would always drain back
> into the tank in a very short time.
> After a little polishing with some 320 grit on a dowel rod in my drill,
> the surface is now very smooth & I highly doubt that it will stick again.
> If it does, I hope that I am taxiing out when it does.
> I queried google, but could find no reports of this happening to anyone
> else. Out of thousands of these little pumps out there, I may have bought
> the only Lemon that they ever made, but I doubt that too.
> I put everything back together, but when I tried to start the engine I
> found that all the cranking had taken a toll on my battery. The new battery
> is here but I haven't had the time to put it to work.
> I hope that this is the end to this story...........
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429196#429196
>
>
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All, Time flies when you're having fun, right? The article I thought I'd
posted about three years ago was actually posted last May. As Maxwell Smart
said, "Sorry about that, chief."
Anyway here's article and photos.
Rick
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote
:
> Russ, all, Somewhere in the archives should be an article I posted about
> three years ago that a member of my EAA chapter wrote about the lift
> reserve indicator he built for his RV. It was complete with the part no.
of
> the gauge he used and instructions on how to tune the two pitot tubes tha
t
> drive it.
>
> Rick Girard
> do not archive
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 7:35 PM, kinne russ <russk50@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mike
>> I for one would love to see your schematic for the AOA indicator if you
>> have time to send
>> Thanx in advance
>> do not archive
>> Russ K
>>
>>
>> On Aug 24, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Mike wrote:
>>
>> Nick,
>>
>> My AOA indicated comes by way of my Dynon D10a EFIS. It features an
>> audio alarm that is piped into my intercom system. Additionally, I buil
t a
>> visual alarm of a line of 19 LEDs that strobe to the center on my panel,
>> much like those flashing lights on the highway that wants you to change
>> lanes.
>>
>> John,
>>
>> No, I haven't flown it yet, although it is virtually finished. Lots o
f
>> excuses, and some legitimate reasons. I quit work 9 years ago (I was a
>> concrete contractor) but didn't have any money coming in, relying on my
>> wife's income to pay bills, which we do by just barely squeezing by each
>> month since she is a 3rd grade teacher.
>> I haven't had the $1000 it would take to get my tail wheel endorsement
,
>> and updated BFR.
>>
>> Ahhh, then the main reason. Two years ago I mentioned I had a
>> tremendous attack of glaucoma. In the course of one month, I lost about
>> 50% of the vision in my left eye. Gone forever, ain'ta never coming bac
k.
>>
>> As if that wasn't enough, last year in January I had a major medical
>> catastrophe. Lucky to be alive. $50,000 in medical bills, including ne
w
>> double cataract surgeries to replace both lenses due to cloudy vision.
>>
>> This year I am still trying to recuperate from last year's fiasco. I
>> am almost there....or at least as good as I'm going to be.
>>
>> I sold the GlaStar kit I was working on, and now have the money, but
>> presently my focus is on restoring a '66 Mustang fastback.
>>
>> I plan on keeping my Kolb, and anticipate being able to fly it in a
>> year or so.
>>
>> Everybody,
>>
>> About two plus years ago I shared with this list a home-made AOA
>> indicator (I think) using a Hall Effect circuit, magnet and torpedo poin
ter
>> looking thing.
>> I know I shared with list the home-made "lift reserve" indicator. I
>> have one "store bought" model (made by LRI, Inc), and I also have one I
>> made exactly like it myself.
>>
>> If anyone is interested, I'll dig through my files and see if I can
>> post them again.
>>
>> Best regards to all,
>> Mike Welch
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 24, 2014, at 3:20 PM, "Mike" <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> <Are there any AOA equipped Kolb=99s out there?>
>>
>> Yes, I know one at least one.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> From: nickc@mtaonline.net
>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kolb-List: Angle of attack indicators...
>> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 12:10:36 -0800
>>
>> Hello Kolbers,
>>
>>
>> There is a big push by the local fight safety organizations here in
>> Alaska to get pilots to install Angle of Attack (AOA) indicators. Every
>> year we lose at least several pilots to low altitude stalls while circli
ng
>> big game animals, in addition to other stalls causes. The military pilot
s,
>> tell me that AOA was the way they were taught to fly since the
>> configuration of their planes were often changing in flight. I am not
>> planning on installing rocket pods on my wings, but to me the AOA sounds
>> like a good idea for at least a low time pilot, if not everyone. Are the
re
>> any AOA equipped Kolb=99s out there?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Nick Cassara
>>
>>
>> 607AK starting to look like a plane!
>>
>>
>> *
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>
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I guess I am puzzled,, if the faucet pump Is not working. What is happening
to the engine driven pump? Are they failing at the same time?
On Aug 24, 2014 8:52 PM, "Robert Laird" <rlaird@cavediver.com> wrote:
> Woody --
>
> Many years ago I had a RAN S12-XL with a 503 and used a facet pump. I had
> it for several months without incident, but then had an engine out on take
> off. Luckily, my training kicked in and I was able to land straight-ahead
> without a scratch to me or the plane. After I coasted to a stop, the
> engine started right back up!
>
> Long story short, like yours the check-valve had malfunctioned and could
> not open fully, so fuel at WOT was constrained. I replaced the pump with
> another Facet, and never had a problem after that.
>
> -- Robert
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 9:18 PM, woody <n3022.176@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone has had any trouble or heard of anyone having
>> trouble with a Facet "cube" pump. I put one on my Firestar last winter to
>> use in place of the squeeze bulb that has such a bad reputation. Mine had
>> probably a hour of use as all I do is prime the engine with it. In any
>> case, last week I was taxing down our local grass strip when the engine,
>> (rotax 503) started running rough & then died. I turned on the Facet &
>> after a couple of minutes of cranking, the engine sputtered to life. Well I
>> revved the engine & headed for the hanger but didn't quite make if before
>> the engine went away again. I got out & manhandled it through the 6" of
>> bahiagrass & put it indoors, out of the scorching sunshine. While running
>> back to the hanger with the engine running poorly, I noticed the EIS was
>> reading the #1 cyl. had an EGT of 269 & the #2 was 760. I wondered what
>> could take out the #1 cyl. on both mags at once. When I pulled the float
>> bowl on #1, I got my answer, NO FUEL. I !
>> started taking things apart & found no obstruction. When I tried the
>> Facet into a container I found that I had what looked to be about 1 gal. a
>> day flow rate. Scratching my head, I removed it & headed for the barn where
>> I could find some serious tools. When I took the Facet apart, I found that
>> the check-valve, (a mushroom shaped piece of what looks like nylon) was
>> firmly stuck into a 45 deg. bevel, cast into the housing. What should have
>> been a simple flutter valve was stuck tight by a poorly finished casting.
>> The steel fitting was very rough on this bevel & I'm surprised that it
>> sealed at all. I guess this explains why the fuel would always drain back
>> into the tank in a very short time.
>> After a little polishing with some 320 grit on a dowel rod in my drill,
>> the surface is now very smooth & I highly doubt that it will stick again.
>> If it does, I hope that I am taxiing out when it does.
>> I queried google, but could find no reports of this happening to anyone
>> else. Out of thousands of these little pumps out there, I may have bought
>> the only Lemon that they ever made, but I doubt that too.
>> I put everything back together, but when I tried to start the engine I
>> found that all the cranking had taken a toll on my battery. The new battery
>> is here but I haven't had the time to put it to work.
>> I hope that this is the end to this story...........
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429196#429196
>>
>>
>>
>>
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On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 9:58 PM, B Young <byoungplumbing@gmail.com> wrote:
> I guess I am puzzled,, if the faucet pump Is not working. What is
> happening to the engine driven pump? Are they failing at the same time?
If plumbed in series, a constraining check-valve will also stop fuel from
the mechanical pump.
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