---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/29/14: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:56 AM - Right turn (Frank Goodnight) 2. 06:30 AM - Re: Right turn (B Young) 3. 07:02 AM - Re: Right turn (Colin Hudson) 4. 11:27 AM - Re: Right turn (Frank Goodnight) 5. 04:35 PM - Re: pitch? (Richard Girard) 6. 05:08 PM - Re: Right turn (B Young) 7. 05:20 PM - Re: Right turn (Frank) 8. 05:51 PM - Re: pitch? (Stuart Harner) 9. 06:05 PM - Re: Right turn (B Young) 10. 06:09 PM - Re: Right turn (Frank) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:19 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Right turn From: Frank Goodnight Kolbers Just starting to get used to my mk3 classic. I have a question for those of you with experience in mk3s. I fly from the right seat, after a bit of fooling around with the flaps and wing incedence i have got the plane so it flys pretty much straight and level, handsoff. I find the ailerons to be very heavy and slow to react, much more so than my Firestar. If I enter a decending left turn at about 75 mph ---nothing radical just a normal turn to left base ,close pattern---to roll level takes about 3 seconds and enough right stick and rudder pressure that I'm almost afraid something will break I' m tempted to use both hands on the stick. Doesn't seem to matter much what power setting is used. If the initial turn is to the right there seems not to be a problem to roll left to level. From level flight the problem is much less pronounced, although it is somewhat easier to turn left than to turn right.Any thoughts and comments would be much appreciated. I don't think it's dangerous , but not sure Frank Goodnight Fayetteville ,AR 912 uls Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Right turn From: B Young What kind of fooling around with the flaps and incidence did you do? If you have trimmed the plane by putting the wings and control surfaces out of proper alignment instead of installing a trim tab that may be adding to the condition??? As for the heavy stick,, mine was a bit heavy as well, I drilled holes about 1 inch in on the control linkage just above the boom tube, this gives a bit more mechanical advantage Do you have a912? If so you should need Bit of right rudder,,,a trim there will reduce the pilot work load Boyd Young On Aug 29, 2014 6:58 AM, "Frank Goodnight" wrote: > > Kolbers > Just starting to get used to my mk3 classic. I have a question for those > of you with > experience in mk3s. I fly from the right seat, after a bit of fooling > around with the flaps and wing incedence i have got the > plane so it flys pretty much straight and level, handsoff. I find the > ailerons to be very heavy > and slow to react, much more so than my Firestar. If I enter a decending > left turn at about > 75 mph ---nothing radical just a normal turn to left base ,close > pattern---to roll level takes about > 3 seconds and enough right stick and rudder pressure that I'm almost > afraid something will > break I' m tempted to use both hands on the stick. Doesn't seem to matter > much what power > setting is used. If the initial turn is to the right there seems not to be > a problem to roll left > to level. From level flight the problem is much less pronounced, although > it is somewhat > easier to turn left than to turn right.Any thoughts and comments would be > much appreciated. > I don't think it's dangerous , but not sure > Frank Goodnight > Fayetteville ,AR > 912 uls > Sent from my iPad > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:44 AM PST US From: Colin Hudson Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Right turn Frank when I switched to dual controls on my M3Xtra I had the same problem, too much slack and not enough leverage. I hated it. Switched back to single control and the problem went away. You didn't say what type of controls you have, but that may be it. By the way, anybody that would like a set of dual controls, I'll sell them cheap. Scott Hudson Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 29, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Frank Goodnight wrote: > > > Kolbers > Just starting to get used to my mk3 classic. I have a question for those of you with > experience in mk3s. I fly from the right seat, after a bit of fooling around with the flaps and wing incedence i have got the > plane so it flys pretty much straight and level, handsoff. I find the ailerons to be very heavy > and slow to react, much more so than my Firestar. If I enter a decending left turn at about > 75 mph ---nothing radical just a normal turn to left base ,close pattern---to roll level takes about > 3 seconds and enough right stick and rudder pressure that I'm almost afraid something will > break I' m tempted to use both hands on the stick. Doesn't seem to matter much what power > setting is used. If the initial turn is to the right there seems not to be a problem to roll left > to level. From level flight the problem is much less pronounced, although it is somewhat > easier to turn left than to turn right.Any thoughts and comments would be much appreciated. > I don't think it's dangerous , but not sure > Frank Goodnight > Fayetteville ,AR > 912 uls > Sent from my iPad > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:27:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Right turn From: Frank Goodnight Hi Boyd, Thanks for your reply. When I bought the plane from Bruce he was flying it from the left seat and I suppose had it trimmed to suit him. I switched to the right seat so the throttle is o n my left , been on the left in every plane I've ever owned. I almost tore the trim lever out of the MK3 the first timeI landed it from the left seat trying to get to idle rpm. When I switched to the right seat The right wing was extremely heavy. I called kolb and talked to Travis and t o Bryan, Bryan Suggested two things. He explained that because of the way the flaps are att ached to the torque tube for the ailerons they can be used as huge aileron trim tabs and s hould be adjusted the same way as if you were adjusting a Alieron trim tab , I did that and it helped to raise the right wing. Travis had told me that in order to sell Kolbs in England there h as to be a way to Adjust the incidence of the wings. In order to comply Kolb sells an extra wi de 1/2 of the u joint that attaches the trailing edge of the wing to the fuselage. The adjustment i s made by stacking 4 washers above or below the attach point. Bryan suggested that if I needed m ore adjustment than I could get with the flaps I should try that , I lowered the angle of a ttack of the left wing By 4 washers--don't know many degrees--it worked , the plane flys straight a nd level hands off and the yaw string is right down the middle at cruise. So tail trim tab i s OK. I do have a 912 ULS 100HP The only problem is the one I mentioned in the earlier post.I w ould like to hear from any and all kolb pilots. Frank G Fayetteville ,AR PS Boyd I changed the hole position on the Firestar , it helped. Will look i nto doing it to the MK3 tomorrow, thanks Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2014, at 8:29 AM, B Young wrote: > What kind of fooling around with the flaps and incidence did you do? > If you have trimmed the plane by putting the wings and control surfaces ou t of proper alignment instead of installing a trim tab that may be adding to the condition??? > As for the heavy stick,, mine was a bit heavy as well, I drilled holes abo ut 1 inch in on the control linkage just above the boom tube, this gives a b it more mechanical advantage > Do you have a912? If so you should need Bit of right rudder,,,a trim there will reduce the pilot work load > Boyd Young > > On Aug 29, 2014 6:58 AM, "Frank Goodnight" wrote : > >> >> Kolbers >> Just starting to get used to my mk3 classic. I have a question for those o f you with >> experience in mk3s. I fly from the right seat, after a bit of fooling aro und with the flaps and wing incedence i have got the >> plane so it flys pretty much straight and level, handsoff. I find the ail erons to be very heavy >> and slow to react, much more so than my Firestar. If I enter a decending l eft turn at about >> 75 mph ---nothing radical just a normal turn to left base ,close pattern- --to roll level takes about >> 3 seconds and enough right stick and rudder pressure that I'm almost afra id something will >> break I' m tempted to use both hands on the stick. Doesn't seem to matter much what power >> setting is used. If the initial turn is to the right there seems not to b e a problem to roll left >> to level. =46rom level flight the problem is much less pronounced, althou gh it is somewhat >> easier to turn left than to turn right.Any thoughts and comments would be much appreciated. >> I don't think it's dangerous , but not sure >> Frank Goodnight >> Fayetteville ,AR >> 912 uls >> Sent from my iPad >> >> ========== >> -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pitch? From: Richard Girard Stuart, As long as you're in the ballpark it will be okay. If, after first setting, you find the engine is winding out and EGT is running hot, put in more pitch. On the other hand if it's a bit boggy, doesn't rev up and the CHT's are running hot, take a little pitch out. Somewhere around John's or Beauford's recommendation should be the Goldilocks setting. Good luck and have fun. Rick Girard On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Beauford wrote: > Brother Harner: > > > Cannot speak directly to the Warp Mine has a 66 inch IVO But load is > load. That said, I would suspect that anything over > > 6100 or 6150 static might be a tad skinny on loading. When I set 6150 > static WOT, I get easy 6600 in level flight WOT. > > Personally fer me, that is about enough. 6800 static would be like an > argument with my first wife makes my few remaining teeth hurt. > > (how mad are you at your bearings?) > > > Worth What Ye Paid Fer It > > > beauford > > FF-076 > > Brandon, FL > > > *From:* owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Stuart Harner > *Subject:* Kolb-List: pitch? > > > What amount of pitch do you think I should start with? > > > Do I shoot for 6500 or 6800 RPM static? > > > Stuart > > > * > =========== onics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List> =========== =========== om/contribution> =========== > > * > > -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Right turn From: B Young When I first flew my plane it had the same till you describe,, and had to hold a lot of left stick,,, but when you looked at the trailing edges of ailerons and flaps it all lined up perfect.... I did all the changes you have done,, it flew hands off,, but the trailing edges were out of line....bad....I undid my fixes and put on a trim tab...note it flies hand off and the trailing edges line up again... Maybe you should add linkage and add a,, second,, left hand throttle Boyd Young On Aug 29, 2014 12:29 PM, "Frank Goodnight" wrote: > Hi Boyd, > Thanks for your reply. > When I bought the plane from Bruce he was flying it from the left seat and > I suppose > had it trimmed to suit him. I switched to the right seat so the throttle > is on my left , been > on the left in every plane I've ever owned. I almost tore the trim lever > out of the MK3 > the first timeI landed it from the left seat trying to get to idle rpm. > When I switched to the right seat > The right wing was extremely heavy. I called kolb and talked to Travis and > to Bryan, Bryan > Suggested two things. He explained that because of the way the flaps are > attached to the > torque tube for the ailerons they can be used as huge aileron trim tabs > and should be adjusted > the same way as if you were adjusting a Alieron trim tab , I did that and > it helped to raise the > right wing. Travis had told me that in order to sell Kolbs in England > there has to be a way to > Adjust the incidence of the wings. In order to comply Kolb sells an extra > wide 1/2 of the u joint > that attaches the trailing edge of the wing to the fuselage. The > adjustment is made by stacking > 4 washers above or below the attach point. Bryan suggested that if I > needed more adjustment > than I could get with the flaps I should try that , I lowered the angle of > attack of the left wing > By 4 washers--don't know many degrees--it worked , the plane flys straight > and level hands > off and the yaw string is right down the middle at cruise. So tail trim > tab is OK. I do have a > 912 ULS 100HP The only problem is the one I mentioned in the earlier > post.I would like to > hear from any and all kolb pilots. > Frank G > Fayetteville ,AR > PS Boyd I changed the hole position on the Firestar , it helped. Will look > into doing it to the > MK3 tomorrow, thanks > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 29, 2014, at 8:29 AM, B Young wrote: > > What kind of fooling around with the flaps and incidence did you do? > If you have trimmed the plane by putting the wings and control surfaces > out of proper alignment instead of installing a trim tab that may be adding > to the condition??? > As for the heavy stick,, mine was a bit heavy as well, I drilled holes > about 1 inch in on the control linkage just above the boom tube, this > gives a bit more mechanical advantage > Do you have a912? If so you should need Bit of right rudder,,,a trim there > will reduce the pilot work load > Boyd Young > On Aug 29, 2014 6:58 AM, "Frank Goodnight" > wrote: > >> > >> >> Kolbers >> Just starting to get used to my mk3 classic. I have a question for those >> of you with >> experience in mk3s. I fly from the right seat, after a bit of fooling >> around with the flaps and wing incedence i have got the >> plane so it flys pretty much straight and level, handsoff. I find the >> ailerons to be very heavy >> and slow to react, much more so than my Firestar. If I enter a decending >> left turn at about >> 75 mph ---nothing radical just a normal turn to left base ,close >> pattern---to roll level takes about >> 3 seconds and enough right stick and rudder pressure that I'm almost >> afraid something will >> break I' m tempted to use both hands on the stick. Doesn't seem to matter >> much what power >> setting is used. If the initial turn is to the right there seems not to >> be a problem to roll left >> to level. From level flight the problem is much less pronounced, although >> it is somewhat >> easier to turn left than to turn right.Any thoughts and comments would be >> much appreciated. >> I don't think it's dangerous , but not sure >> Frank Goodnight >> Fayetteville ,AR >> 912 uls >> Sent from my iPad >> >> ========== >> -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> * > > ================================== > ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > ================================== > cs.com > ================================== > matronics.com/contribution > ================================== > > * > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Right turn From: Frank Thanks for your response. Will keep Your fix in mind and try it in the next Couple of weeks. Will let you know If it works on my plane. Frank Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Frank Goodnight wrote : > Hi Boyd, > Thanks for your reply. > When I bought the plane from Bruce he was flying it from the left seat and I suppose > had it trimmed to suit him. I switched to the right seat so the throttle i s on my left , been > on the left in every plane I've ever owned. I almost tore the trim lever o ut of the MK3 > the first timeI landed it from the left seat trying to get to idle rpm. Wh en I switched to the right seat > The right wing was extremely heavy. I called kolb and talked to Travis and to Bryan, Bryan > Suggested two things. He explained that because of the way the flaps are a ttached to the > torque tube for the ailerons they can be used as huge aileron trim tabs an d should be adjusted > the same way as if you were adjusting a Alieron trim tab , I did that and i t helped to raise the > right wing. Travis had told me that in order to sell Kolbs in England ther e has to be a way to > Adjust the incidence of the wings. In order to comply Kolb sells an extra w ide 1/2 of the u joint > that attaches the trailing edge of the wing to the fuselage. The adjustmen t is made by stacking > 4 washers above or below the attach point. Bryan suggested that if I neede d more adjustment > than I could get with the flaps I should try that , I lowered the angle of attack of the left wing > By 4 washers--don't know many degrees--it worked , the plane flys straight and level hands > off and the yaw string is right down the middle at cruise. So tail trim ta b is OK. I do have a > 912 ULS 100HP The only problem is the one I mentioned in the earlier post. I would like to > hear from any and all kolb pilots. > Frank G > Fayetteville ,AR > PS Boyd I changed the hole position on the Firestar , it helped. Will look into doing it to the > MK3 tomorrow, thanks > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 29, 2014, at 8:29 AM, B Young wrote: > >> What kind of fooling around with the flaps and incidence did you do? >> If you have trimmed the plane by putting the wings and control surfaces o ut of proper alignment instead of installing a trim tab that may be adding t o the condition??? >> As for the heavy stick,, mine was a bit heavy as well, I drilled holes ab out 1 inch in on the control linkage just above the boom tube, this gives a bit more mechanical advantage >> Do you have a912? If so you should need Bit of right rudder,,,a trim ther e will reduce the pilot work load >> Boyd Young >> >> On Aug 29, 2014 6:58 AM, "Frank Goodnight" wrot e: t> >>> >>> Kolbers >>> Just starting to get used to my mk3 classic. I have a question for those of you with >>> experience in mk3s. I fly from the right seat, after a bit of fooling ar ound with the flaps and wing incedence i have got the >>> plane so it flys pretty much straight and level, handsoff. I find the ai lerons to be very heavy >>> and slow to react, much more so than my Firestar. If I enter a decending left turn at about >>> 75 mph ---nothing radical just a normal turn to left base ,close pattern ---to roll level takes about >>> 3 seconds and enough right stick and rudder pressure that I'm almost afr aid something will >>> break I' m tempted to use both hands on the stick. Doesn't seem to matte r much what power >>> setting is used. If the initial turn is to the right there seems not to b e a problem to roll left >>> to level. =46rom level flight the problem is much less pronounced, altho ugh it is somewhat >>> easier to turn left than to turn right.Any thoughts and comments would b e much appreciated. >>> I don't think it's dangerous , but not sure >>> Frank Goodnight >>> Fayetteville ,AR >>> 912 uls >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> ========== >>> -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >>> ========== >>> FORUMS - >>> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com >>> ========== >>> b Site - >>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> ========== >> >> >> >> ========================= ========= >> ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> ========================= ========= >> cs.com >> ========================= ========= >> matronics.com/contribution >> ========================= ========= >> > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:53 PM PST US From: "Stuart Harner" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: pitch? Thanks everyone for the replies. Any idea where I should start, maybe 10=C2=B0? Stuart From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Girard Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 6:35 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: pitch? Stuart, As long as you're in the ballpark it will be okay. If, after first setting, you find the engine is winding out and EGT is running hot, put in more pitch. On the other hand if it's a bit boggy, doesn't rev up and the CHT's are running hot, take a little pitch out. Somewhere around John's or Beauford's recommendation should be the Goldilocks setting. Good luck and have fun. Rick Girard On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Beauford wrote: Brother Harner: Cannot speak directly to the Warp Mine has a 66 inch IVO But load is load. That said, I would suspect that anything over 6100 or 6150 static might be a tad skinny on loading. When I set 6150 static WOT, I get easy 6600 in level flight WOT. Personally fer me, that is about enough. 6800 static would be like an argument with my first wife makes my few remaining teeth hurt. (how mad are you at your bearings?) Worth What Ye Paid Fer It beauford FF-076 Brandon, FL From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Harner Subject: Kolb-List: pitch? What amount of pitch do you think I should start with? Do I shoot for 6500 or 6800 RPM static? Stuart get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Zulu Delta Mk IIIC Thanks, Homer GBYM It isn't necessary to have relatives in Kansas City in order to be unhappy. - Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:02 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Right turn From: B Young My trim tab is about 3 1/2. By just longer than 1 bay width... At 1 1/2 inch I bent the tab do when the 1 1/2 is on the table the 2 inch side is about 1/2 to5/8 off at the trailing edge.. Installed on the bottom side of the left aileron Roth the bend down Boyd Young On Aug 29, 2014 6:21 PM, "Frank" wrote: > Thanks for your response. Will keep > Your fix in mind and try it in the next > Couple of weeks. Will let you know > If it works on my plane. > Frank > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 29, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Frank Goodnight > wrote: > > Hi Boyd, > Thanks for your reply. > When I bought the plane from Bruce he was flying it from the left seat and > I suppose > had it trimmed to suit him. I switched to the right seat so the throttle > is on my left , been > on the left in every plane I've ever owned. I almost tore the trim lever > out of the MK3 > the first timeI landed it from the left seat trying to get to idle rpm. > When I switched to the right seat > The right wing was extremely heavy. I called kolb and talked to Travis and > to Bryan, Bryan > Suggested two things. He explained that because of the way the flaps are > attached to the > torque tube for the ailerons they can be used as huge aileron trim tabs > and should be adjusted > the same way as if you were adjusting a Alieron trim tab , I did that and > it helped to raise the > right wing. Travis had told me that in order to sell Kolbs in England > there has to be a way to > Adjust the incidence of the wings. In order to comply Kolb sells an extra > wide 1/2 of the u joint > that attaches the trailing edge of the wing to the fuselage. The > adjustment is made by stacking > 4 washers above or below the attach point. Bryan suggested that if I > needed more adjustment > than I could get with the flaps I should try that , I lowered the angle of > attack of the left wing > By 4 washers--don't know many degrees--it worked , the plane flys straight > and level hands > off and the yaw string is right down the middle at cruise. So tail trim > tab is OK. I do have a > 912 ULS 100HP The only problem is the one I mentioned in the earlier > post.I would like to > hear from any and all kolb pilots. > Frank G > Fayetteville ,AR > PS Boyd I changed the hole position on the Firestar , it helped. Will look > into doing it to the > MK3 tomorrow, thanks > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 29, 2014, at 8:29 AM, B Young wrote: > > What kind of fooling around with the flaps and incidence did you do? > If you have trimmed the plane by putting the wings and control surfaces > out of proper alignment instead of installing a trim tab that may be adding > to the condition??? > As for the heavy stick,, mine was a bit heavy as well, I drilled holes > about 1 inch in on the control linkage just above the boom tube, this > gives a bit more mechanical advantage > Do you have a912? If so you should need Bit of right rudder,,,a trim there > will reduce the pilot work load > Boyd Young > On Aug 29, 2014 6:58 AM, "Frank Goodnight" > wrote: > >> > >> >> Kolbers >> Just starting to get used to my mk3 classic. I have a question for those >> of you with >> experience in mk3s. I fly from the right seat, after a bit of fooling >> around with the flaps and wing incedence i have got the >> plane so it flys pretty much straight and level, handsoff. I find the >> ailerons to be very heavy >> and slow to react, much more so than my Firestar. If I enter a decending >> left turn at about >> 75 mph ---nothing radical just a normal turn to left base ,close >> pattern---to roll level takes about >> 3 seconds and enough right stick and rudder pressure that I'm almost >> afraid something will >> break I' m tempted to use both hands on the stick. Doesn't seem to matter >> much what power >> setting is used. If the initial turn is to the right there seems not to >> be a problem to roll left >> to level. From level flight the problem is much less pronounced, although >> it is somewhat >> easier to turn left than to turn right.Any thoughts and comments would be >> much appreciated. >> I don't think it's dangerous , but not sure >> Frank Goodnight >> Fayetteville ,AR >> 912 uls >> Sent from my iPad >> >> ========== >> -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> * > > ================================== > ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > ================================== > cs.com > ================================== > matronics.com/contribution > ================================== > > * > > * > > ================================== > ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > ================================== > cs.com > ================================== > matronics.com/contribution > ================================== > > * > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Right turn From: Frank Thanks Boyd I'll let you know how it turns out but it will be a couple of weeks Frank Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2014, at 8:04 PM, B Young wrote: > My trim tab is about 3 1/2. By just longer than 1 bay width... > At 1 1/2 inch I bent the tab do when the 1 1/2 is on the table the 2 inch s ide is about 1/2 to5/8 off at the trailing edge.. > Installed on the bottom side of the left aileron Roth the bend down > Boyd Young > > On Aug 29, 2014 6:21 PM, "Frank" wrote: >> Thanks for your response. Will keep >> Your fix in mind and try it in the next >> Couple of weeks. Will let you know >> If it works on my plane. >> Frank >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 29, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Frank Goodnight wr ote: >> >>> Hi Boyd, >>> Thanks for your reply. >>> When I bought the plane from Bruce he was flying it from the left seat a nd I suppose >>> had it trimmed to suit him. I switched to the right seat so the throttle is on my left , been >>> on the left in every plane I've ever owned. I almost tore the trim lever out of the MK3 >>> the first timeI landed it from the left seat trying to get to idle rpm. W hen I switched to the right seat >>> The right wing was extremely heavy. I called kolb and talked to Travis a nd to Bryan, Bryan >>> Suggested two things. He explained that because of the way the flaps are attached to the >>> torque tube for the ailerons they can be used as huge aileron trim tabs a nd should be adjusted >>> the same way as if you were adjusting a Alieron trim tab , I did that an d it helped to raise the >>> right wing. Travis had told me that in order to sell Kolbs in England th ere has to be a way to >>> Adjust the incidence of the wings. In order to comply Kolb sells an extr a wide 1/2 of the u joint >>> that attaches the trailing edge of the wing to the fuselage. The adjustm ent is made by stacking >>> 4 washers above or below the attach point. Bryan suggested that if I nee ded more adjustment >>> than I could get with the flaps I should try that , I lowered the angle o f attack of the left wing >>> By 4 washers--don't know many degrees--it worked , the plane flys straig ht and level hands >>> off and the yaw string is right down the middle at cruise. So tail trim t ab is OK. I do have a >>> 912 ULS 100HP The only problem is the one I mentioned in the earlier pos t.I would like to >>> hear from any and all kolb pilots. >>> Frank G >>> Fayetteville ,AR >>> PS Boyd I changed the hole position on the Firestar , it helped. Will lo ok into doing it to the >>> MK3 tomorrow, thanks >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Aug 29, 2014, at 8:29 AM, B Young wrote: >>> >>>> What kind of fooling around with the flaps and incidence did you do? >>>> If you have trimmed the plane by putting the wings and control surfaces out of proper alignment instead of installing a trim tab that may be adding to the condition??? >>>> As for the heavy stick,, mine was a bit heavy as well, I drilled holes a bout 1 inch in on the control linkage just above the boom tube, this gives a bit more mechanical advantage >>>> Do you have a912? If so you should need Bit of right rudder,,,a trim th ere will reduce the pilot work load >>>> Boyd Young >>>> >>>> On Aug 29, 2014 6:58 AM, "Frank Goodnight" wr ote: net> >>>>> >>>>> Kolbers >>>>> Just starting to get used to my mk3 classic. I have a question for tho se of you with >>>>> experience in mk3s. I fly from the right seat, after a bit of fooling a round with the flaps and wing incedence i have got the >>>>> plane so it flys pretty much straight and level, handsoff. I find the a ilerons to be very heavy >>>>> and slow to react, much more so than my Firestar. If I enter a decendi ng left turn at about >>>>> 75 mph ---nothing radical just a normal turn to left base ,close patte rn---to roll level takes about >>>>> 3 seconds and enough right stick and rudder pressure that I'm almost a fraid something will >>>>> break I' m tempted to use both hands on the stick. Doesn't seem to mat ter much what power >>>>> setting is used. If the initial turn is to the right there seems not t o be a problem to roll left >>>>> to level. =46rom level flight the problem is much less pronounced, alt hough it is somewhat >>>>> easier to turn left than to turn right.Any thoughts and comments would be much appreciated. >>>>> I don't think it's dangerous , but not sure >>>>> Frank Goodnight >>>>> Fayetteville ,AR >>>>> 912 uls >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> ========== >>>>> -List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >>>>> ========== >>>>> FORUMS - >>>>> _blank">http://forums.matronics.com >>>>> ========== >>>>> b Site - >>>>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>>>> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>>> ========== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ========= >>>> ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >>>> ========= >>>> cs.com >>>> ========= >>>> matronics.com/contribution >>>> ========= >>>> >>> >>> >>> ========= >>> ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >>> ========= >>> cs.com >>> ========= >>> matronics.com/contribution >>> ========= >>> >> >> >> get="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.