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1. 03:56 AM - Re: Re: M3X Roll Problems (Tony Malins)
2. 08:42 AM - Re: M3X Roll Problems (Jason Omelchuck)
3. 09:31 AM - Re: Legal Twinstar (Richard Girard)
4. 10:01 AM - Re: Legal Twinstar (Charlie England)
5. 11:40 AM - Re: Legal Twinstar (kinne russ)
6. 12:18 PM - Re: Legal Twinstar (Charlie England)
7. 09:35 PM - Dennis souder (crankpot)
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| Subject: | Re: M3X Roll Problems |
Thanks Jason. I'll talk further to Travis about it.
Cheers
Tony
On 22 October 2014 04:55, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
> How did the spades work on your MKIII?
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> When I first flew my MKIII I was disappointed in how heavy it was in roll.
> After about 50 or so hours in it, I no longer noticed. I have since sold
> the MKIII but I do have a set of steel aileron spade brackets that I asked
> TNK aircraft to make me. They have a flat plate on one end which you would
> attach a piece of aluminum as your spade and the other end is a half pipe
> to
> rivet to the aileron. The section in between is airfoil shaped. I would
> sell them for $30 plus shipping.
>
> Jason
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: M3X Roll Problems |
I don't know how they worked, I never installed them. I have seen them on a MKIII
but I never tried them.
John Hauck wrote:
> How did the spades work on your MKIII?
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
> When I first flew my MKIII I was disappointed in how heavy it was in roll.
> After about 50 or so hours in it, I no longer noticed. I have since sold
> the MKIII but I do have a set of steel aileron spade brackets that I asked
> TNK aircraft to make me. They have a flat plate on one end which you would
> attach a piece of aluminum as your spade and the other end is a half pipe to
> rivet to the aileron. The section in between is airfoil shaped. I would
> sell them for $30 plus shipping.
>
> Jason
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| Subject: | Re: Legal Twinstar |
Since the FAA has put a 3 year lifetime on registrations there is little
likelihood that an old registration is still valid. You can try and good
luck, but I doubt that you will find anything.
Much will depend on what you call a rebuild and how much work you are
doing. Did you get any of the old build records, pictures, or other
documentation with the aircraft? Are you taking pictures and documenting
all the work you are doing? Are you having an EAA advisor check your work
as you go? All of these things could be combined to create a package to
present to the FAA/DAR as validation that YOU are the builder and allow you
to register it as your E-AB aircraft.
Rick Girard
do not archive
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Stuart Harner <stuart@harnerfarm.net>
wrote:
>
> You should be able to search the FAA database online using either the
> builder's name or the serial number of the aircraft.
>
> It has been quite some time since I have looked at the online database,
> but in the past I was able to find this kind of information.
>
> If you are an AOPA member, they may be able to help, I know they do title
> research work. Possibly even the EAA.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Stuart
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shadow94
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 8:04 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Legal Twinstar
>
>
> Looking for some ideas. I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2ll try to keep this sho
rt but give as much
> detail as I can. I bought a Twinstar MK II as a rebuild project. Would
> like to be able to register it and be all legal when the build is
> complete. Here is the situation. Purchased from the second owner who
> started the rebuild but could not complete. First owner built from kit a
nd
> flew. I was told that it had been registered by first owner but I do not
> have any proof of this. Second owner did not have any placard or N-numbe
r
> or paperwork. If anyone has any ideas of how to best go about being able
> to register later I sure would like to hear them. I am contemplating
> contacting the local DAR for input but am a bit hesitant yet. Thanks in
> advance.
>
> --------
> Mark
> Twinstar MKII
> Great Bend, PA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432144#432144
>
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| Subject: | Re: Legal Twinstar |
While the registration (if it ever existed) has likely expired, with
proof of ownership you could re-register & get a new N number. The
bigger issue is whether there was ever an airworthiness certificate. If
one was never issued, you *might* be able to convince a DAR or a FSDO
rep that this is a 1st build, by you. To do that, you'd need a bill of
sale trail, back to the original sale of the kit, unless you can
convince the DAR you built everything yourself (he'd probably want to
see a stack of receipts for tubing, steel, etc for the whole plane).
If there was ever an A/W cert, the FAA has said that there can never be
another issued (except for things like updating operating limitations,
etc).
An 'out' for all of the above might well be the Experimental Exhibition
category. Even Certified planes can be moved to Exhibition category, for
a variety of reasons. The biggest 'catch 22' of Exhibition used to be a
300 nm radius from the home airport for training/currency flights, but
according to one of my neighbors who works for the local FSDO, that
limitation has been removed.
FWIW,
Charlie
On 10/22/2014 11:31 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
> Since the FAA has put a 3 year lifetime on registrations there is
> little likelihood that an old registration is still valid. You can try
> and good luck, but I doubt that you will find anything.
> Much will depend on what you call a rebuild and how much work you are
> doing. Did you get any of the old build records, pictures, or other
> documentation with the aircraft? Are you taking pictures and
> documenting all the work you are doing? Are you having an EAA advisor
> check your work as you go? All of these things could be combined to
> create a package to present to the FAA/DAR as validation that YOU are
> the builder and allow you to register it as your E-AB aircraft.
>
> Rick Girard
> do not archive
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Stuart Harner <stuart@harnerfarm.net
> <mailto:stuart@harnerfarm.net>> wrote:
>
> <stuart@harnerfarm.net <mailto:stuart@harnerfarm.net>>
>
> You should be able to search the FAA database online using either
> the builder's name or the serial number of the aircraft.
>
> It has been quite some time since I have looked at the online
> database, but in the past I was able to find this kind of information.
>
> If you are an AOPA member, they may be able to help, I know they
> do title research work. Possibly even the EAA.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Stuart
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of Shadow94
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 8:04 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com <mailto:kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Legal Twinstar
>
> <mailto:seanote@echoes.net>>
>
> Looking for some ideas. Ill try to keep this short but give as
> much detail as I can. I bought a Twinstar MK II as a rebuild
> project. Would like to be able to register it and be all legal
> when the build is complete. Here is the situation. Purchased from
> the second owner who started the rebuild but could not complete.
> First owner built from kit and flew. I was told that it had been
> registered by first owner but I do not have any proof of this.
> Second owner did not have any placard or N-number or paperwork.
> If anyone has any ideas of how to best go about being able to
> register later I sure would like to hear them. I am contemplating
> contacting the local DAR for input but am a bit hesitant yet.
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --------
> Mark
> Twinstar MKII
> Great Bend, PA
>
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| Subject: | Re: Legal Twinstar |
I've been told that "Exhibition category" used to, at least, restrict
flying to trips only to & from airshows.
Hope this isn't still in effect, but worth checking
Russ K
On Oct 22, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Charlie England wrote:
> While the registration (if it ever existed) has likely expired, with
proof of ownership you could re-register & get a new N number. The
bigger issue is whether there was ever an airworthiness certificate. If
one was never issued, you *might* be able to convince a DAR or a FSDO
rep that this is a 1st build, by you. To do that, you'd need a bill of
sale trail, back to the original sale of the kit, unless you can
convince the DAR you built everything yourself (he'd probably want to
see a stack of receipts for tubing, steel, etc for the whole plane).
>
> If there was ever an A/W cert, the FAA has said that there can never
be another issued (except for things like updating operating
limitations, etc).
>
> An 'out' for all of the above might well be the Experimental
Exhibition category. Even Certified planes can be moved to Exhibition
category, for a variety of reasons. The biggest 'catch 22' of Exhibition
used to be a 300 nm radius from the home airport for training/currency
flights, but according to one of my neighbors who works for the local
FSDO, that limitation has been removed.
>
> FWIW,
>
> Charlie
>
> On 10/22/2014 11:31 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
>> Since the FAA has put a 3 year lifetime on registrations there is
little likelihood that an old registration is still valid. You can try
and good luck, but I doubt that you will find anything.
>> Much will depend on what you call a rebuild and how much work you are
doing. Did you get any of the old build records, pictures, or other
documentation with the aircraft? Are you taking pictures and documenting
all the work you are doing? Are you having an EAA advisor check your
work as you go? All of these things could be combined to create a
package to present to the FAA/DAR as validation that YOU are the builder
and allow you to register it as your E-AB aircraft.
>>
>> Rick Girard
>> do not archive
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Stuart Harner
<stuart@harnerfarm.net> wrote:
<stuart@harnerfarm.net>
>>
>> You should be able to search the FAA database online using either the
builder's name or the serial number of the aircraft.
>>
>> It has been quite some time since I have looked at the online
database, but in the past I was able to find this kind of information.
>>
>> If you are an AOPA member, they may be able to help, I know they do
title research work. Possibly even the EAA.
>>
>> Best of luck,
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shadow94
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 8:04 PM
>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Kolb-List: Legal Twinstar
>>
>>
>> Looking for some ideas. I=99ll try to keep this short but give
as much detail as I can. I bought a Twinstar MK II as a rebuild
project. Would like to be able to register it and be all legal when the
build is complete. Here is the situation. Purchased from the second
owner who started the rebuild but could not complete. First owner built
from kit and flew. I was told that it had been registered by first
owner but I do not have any proof of this. Second owner did not have
any placard or N-number or paperwork. If anyone has any ideas of how to
best go about being able to register later I sure would like to hear
them. I am contemplating contacting the local DAR for input but am a
bit hesitant yet. Thanks in advance.
>>
>> --------
>> Mark
>> Twinstar MKII
>> Great Bend, PA
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Legal Twinstar |
I can't cite chapter and verse, but I read about the change several
months ago, and asked my neighbor who's a FSDO enforcer. According to
him, the FAA still requires notification of 'shows' the plane will
attend (a paperwork exercise that can be done once at the beginning of
each airshow season with a list of all the shows in the country), but
there are no longer any restrictions on when/where/how often an
exhibition category plane flies. I asked pointed and extensive questions
to be sure that we were understanding each other, and he told me what
I'm now telling you. (Yes, this is maybe the biggest Unknown Really Big
Deal in aviation. :-) )
I had motive for the questions because I'm considering something with a
previously factory cert. airframe that would be much more extreme than
re-certifying a 'fat ultralite'.
Charlie
On 10/22/2014 1:39 PM, kinne russ wrote:
> I've been told that "Exhibition category" used to, at least, restrict
> flying to trips only to & from airshows.
> Hope this isn't still in effect, but worth checking
> Russ K
>
>
> On Oct 22, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Charlie England wrote:
>
>> While the registration (if it ever existed) has likely expired, with
>> proof of ownership you could re-register & get a new N number. The
>> bigger issue is whether there was ever an airworthiness certificate.
>> If one was never issued, you *might* be able to convince a DAR or a
>> FSDO rep that this is a 1st build, by you. To do that, you'd need a
>> bill of sale trail, back to the original sale of the kit, unless you
>> can convince the DAR you built everything yourself (he'd probably
>> want to see a stack of receipts for tubing, steel, etc for the whole
>> plane).
>>
>> If there was ever an A/W cert, the FAA has said that there can never
>> be another issued (except for things like updating operating
>> limitations, etc).
>>
>> An 'out' for all of the above might well be the Experimental
>> Exhibition category. Even Certified planes can be moved to Exhibition
>> category, for a variety of reasons. The biggest 'catch 22' of
>> Exhibition used to be a 300 nm radius from the home airport for
>> training/currency flights, but according to one of my neighbors who
>> works for the local FSDO, that limitation has been removed.
>>
>> FWIW,
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> On 10/22/2014 11:31 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
>>> Since the FAA has put a 3 year lifetime on registrations there is
>>> little likelihood that an old registration is still valid. You can
>>> try and good luck, but I doubt that you will find anything.
>>> Much will depend on what you call a rebuild and how much work you
>>> are doing. Did you get any of the old build records, pictures, or
>>> other documentation with the aircraft? Are you taking pictures and
>>> documenting all the work you are doing? Are you having an EAA
>>> advisor check your work as you go? All of these things could be
>>> combined to create a package to present to the FAA/DAR as validation
>>> that YOU are the builder and allow you to register it as your E-AB
>>> aircraft.
>>>
>>> Rick Girard
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Stuart Harner
>>> <stuart@harnerfarm.net <mailto:stuart@harnerfarm.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> <stuart@harnerfarm.net <mailto:stuart@harnerfarm.net>>
>>>
>>> You should be able to search the FAA database online using
>>> either the builder's name or the serial number of the aircraft.
>>>
>>> It has been quite some time since I have looked at the online
>>> database, but in the past I was able to find this kind of
>>> information.
>>>
>>> If you are an AOPA member, they may be able to help, I know they
>>> do title research work. Possibly even the EAA.
>>>
>>> Best of luck,
>>>
>>> Stuart
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>>> <mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com>
>>> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>>> <mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of Shadow94
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 8:04 PM
>>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com <mailto:kolb-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: Kolb-List: Legal Twinstar
>>>
>>> <mailto:seanote@echoes.net>>
>>>
>>> Looking for some ideas. Ill try to keep this short but give
>>> as much detail as I can. I bought a Twinstar MK II as a rebuild
>>> project. Would like to be able to register it and be all legal
>>> when the build is complete. Here is the situation. Purchased
>>> from the second owner who started the rebuild but could not
>>> complete. First owner built from kit and flew. I was told that
>>> it had been registered by first owner but I do not have any
>>> proof of this. Second owner did not have any placard or
>>> N-number or paperwork. If anyone has any ideas of how to best
>>> go about being able to register later I sure would like to hear
>>> them. I am contemplating contacting the local DAR for input but
>>> am a bit hesitant yet. Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Mark
>>> Twinstar MKII
>>> Great Bend, PA
>>>
>>
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Anyone know if Dennis is around and contact Info would be appreciated.
Bob
--------
1984 kolb ultrstar
Former 1997 kolb firestat
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