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2. 10:10 AM - Re: Serenity flies! (Larry Cottrell)
3. 01:07 PM - Re: Serenity flies! (pcking)
4. 02:04 PM - Dual controls for my twin star (Guideman)
5. 02:04 PM - Dual controls for my twin star (Guideman)
6. 03:17 PM - Re: Serenity flies! (Dennis Rowe)
7. 03:58 PM - Re: Dual controls for my twin star (kinne russ)
8. 04:00 PM - Re: Serenity flies! (kinne russ)
9. 04:02 PM - Re: Serenity flies! (Stuart Harner)
10. 04:02 PM - Re: Serenity flies! (Stuart Harner)
11. 04:18 PM - Re: Serenity flies! (Dennis Rowe)
12. 04:59 PM - Re: Dual controls for my twin star (Guideman)
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Well guys, we finally did it. Last Saturday I took Serenity to the airport and
got to taxi her around a little. Found a couple of minor things to adjust, then
test again.
Taxied around the ramp slowly, then went to the west end of the grass strip. At
this point, I have to say pavement SUCKS!
The weather was warm and the breeze light and variable. Made several trips up
and down the runway at varying speeds, getting braver with each pass. Got the
tail up and was able to hold it there while keeping straight. No irregularities
at all. Engine running well with temps in the right range.
A quick check of the radio, no other planes in the area, time to quit messing around.
Partial power up, tail up, glance at the windsock, limp and straight down the runway.
More power, getting light and bouncy. Oops, not going straight anymore,
glance at windsock, right crosswind, fed in some right aileron and left rudder.
She feels ready to fly, oh, oh, runway light in the cross-hairs! More power
and pull back, airborne well before edge of runway.
Holy CRAP! I'm airborne!
Left wing dropped, over corrected.
Nose came up, over corrected.
Nose went down, pulled off some power, got it level with elevator.
Crap, right wing went down, over corrected, but not as much.
Warning light on EIS, EGT or something out of whack.
Wings have a mind of their own, tail does too...
What the HE!! have I done? I won't die up here, it will be when I hit the ground
out of control. Panic setting in! Every time I touch something, EVERYTHING
changes. AAAGGGG!
Wait, calm down and just fly. Whew, that is better, where am I? Why is that warning
light still on?
Let go of throttle to hit button on EIS. Throttle shuts down and nose comes up.
HUH? Push nose down, grab throttle and start the PIO all over again. Wait,
calm down and fly.
OK, not so bad, oops bumps in the air. Gee I must be above pattern altitude, can't
see the altimeter because the EIS on the warning page. Looks like high EGT,
but not too bad as I have the limits set kind of low.
Turn crosswind before I get out of gliding range. Left wing drops, fixed, not going
the right way. Was that the plane or an air bubble? Mushed it around finally
pointing the right way. Looked for traffic, none seen nor heard. OK more
bumps and more PIO. Throttle up, down and everywhere in between.
YIKES, what have I done? Wait, calm down and fly. Whew, better, time to turn
downwind. Glance at airspeed, somewhere north of 60, OK we probably won't stall
and spin in a gentle turn. This one went better. On downwind leg, getting
a grip and just flying.
Turned base leg, more bumps, more PIO. Recovery was smoother and faster. Got it
around to final leg. Decided to just stay at that altitude, whatever it was
and just fly around the patch one more time keeping the runway slightly off to
my left so I can see if I am going straight.
Some guy on the ground calls me on the radio and says "is it rough up there or
are you having problems?" WHAT? I am 90 seconds into my first flight and YOU
want to talk about it, NOW? Are you planning on coming up to help? Found the
transmit button and managed to squeak out "I think it's me". Managed to drop
the button, oh-oh, this thing is flapping every which way but loose again!
OK, calm down and fly, OK better. Managed to get all the way around to base leg
again and only had a few "burbles and PIO's". OK, plan on making a standard
approach and fly the length of the runway, then go around and do it again. Radio
calls, someone 5 miles out, headed my way. That is a Champ, he will be here
before I can get out of the way.
On final now, wishing I could find that transmit button to let him know my intentions.
Back off the throttle a little and push the nose down. Not so bad, holding
50 MPH. Keeping lined up, still 50. OK. Hey, I am pointed at the numbers,
well, if there were numbers, that is where they would be. Still going 50,
all is well. Champ is getting close, better just set it down and get out of
the way.
Wait, what? Landing? Man, that runway got here fast, backed of the throttle and
started to flair. How high am I? Where did the center of the runway go?
Still pointed straight, slowing down. How low do I put the nose? I don't want
to nose over. I don't want to do a 3 point, do I flair anymore?
Didn't matter, Serenity decided for me. We did a 3 point landing on 2 wheels.
Boing! One good hop of maybe 6", then all 3 wheels hit and stuck. Jerked the
last of the throttle off and was stopped in the middle of the runway in seconds.
WOW! I am alive! Wow, I am still in the runway with traffic in the pattern, somewhere.
Powered up and taxied off the runway, just in time to hear the Champ on downwind
for the runway I was on, no problems there. Just reaching the taxiway when
something big and heavy with low wings comes screaming in on the main runway and
touches down. Right about where I would have been if I had done a go around.
If he used the radio, I certainly never heard it. It might have been a Cherokee
or something like it, I only saw a flash.
That certainly was enough for me for the day. Looking at the windsock it was halfway
out and crosswise to all runways, good time to hang it up. Found my transmit
button and and announce "Down and clear". Taxiing back to the hangar,
I heard the Champ on final and clear of the runway. Never did see that other
plane again.
Man, will I EVER have nerve enough to do THAT again? Really, really unsure at
this point.
My wife who had been watching from the edge of the runway finally gets back to
the hangar and congratulates me. She didn't seem excited at all? She said it
looked great, but then again, she usually can't tell the difference between a
Cherokee and a Champ when they are in the air.....
Got Serenity folded up and put away. Gee, will I ever get an appetite again?
Can I still drive? Should I just walk home? It is only 20 miles and walking
is probably safer.
When I got home and looked at the videos my wife took, two things were obvious.
One, my wife can't run a camera, LOTS of blue sky and engine sounds. Two, (she
did manage to film the landing) my landing was not nearly as bad as I thought
while I was doing it, and in my mind afterward.
Took two days of "digesting and analyzing" to begin to come to grips with what
happened.
Lessons learned, or at least re-learned:
Flights rarely go according to plan, have options.
Basic instruction (if done right) is always with you, ie: calm down and fly, and
cut your corrections in half. Thank you Mr. Thomas, all the way back to 1973.
If you didn't bend it, you did good.
I am now ready to do it again. Well, not again, better next time.
I tell this story partially for my own therapy, and for others to hopefully learn
from. If nothing else, maybe it will entertain some of you.
One thing I have not been able to figure out, is why it veered right on take off.
Taxi testing showed no propensity to go anywhere but straight, so I don't think
is a landing gear problem. My prop turns clockwise (as viewed from behind),
so P-factor should turn it to the left. Dead bugs and oil droplets on the tail
would indicate the air is hitting the left side of the vertical stabilizer
more than the right side. That should push me left, not right. Maybe my old Chief
training took over and I was applying right rudder without knowing it.
Only a re-try will tell for sure. Hopefully I will get some dead air time yet
this fall.
Thanks for listening,
Stuart
--------
"I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me" - Josh
Wedon
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| Subject: | Re: Serenity flies! |
Well you survived. You might want to reconsider the name- Serenity???????
Didn't sound too serene. It sounded more like my first flight. I took a nap
after mine.
Larry
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Airknocker <airknocker@harnerfarm.net>
wrote:
>
> Well guys, we finally did it. Last Saturday I took Serenity to the
> airport and got to taxi her around a little. Found a couple of minor
> things to adjust, then test again.
>
> Taxied around the ramp slowly, then went to the west end of the grass
> strip. At this point, I have to say pavement SUCKS!
>
> The weather was warm and the breeze light and variable. Made several
> trips up and down the runway at varying speeds, getting braver with each
> pass. Got the tail up and was able to hold it there while keeping
> straight. No irregularities at all. Engine running well with temps in the
> right range.
>
> A quick check of the radio, no other planes in the area, time to quit
> messing around.
>
> Partial power up, tail up, glance at the windsock, limp and straight down
> the runway. More power, getting light and bouncy. Oops, not going straight
> anymore, glance at windsock, right crosswind, fed in some right aileron and
> left rudder. She feels ready to fly, oh, oh, runway light in the
> cross-hairs! More power and pull back, airborne well before edge of runway.
>
> Holy CRAP! I'm airborne!
>
> Left wing dropped, over corrected.
> Nose came up, over corrected.
> Nose went down, pulled off some power, got it level with elevator.
> Crap, right wing went down, over corrected, but not as much.
> Warning light on EIS, EGT or something out of whack.
> Wings have a mind of their own, tail does too...
>
> What the HE!! have I done? I won't die up here, it will be when I hit the
> ground out of control. Panic setting in! Every time I touch something,
> EVERYTHING changes. AAAGGGG!
>
> Wait, calm down and just fly. Whew, that is better, where am I? Why is
> that warning light still on?
>
> Let go of throttle to hit button on EIS. Throttle shuts down and nose
> comes up. HUH? Push nose down, grab throttle and start the PIO all over
> again. Wait, calm down and fly.
>
> OK, not so bad, oops bumps in the air. Gee I must be above pattern
> altitude, can't see the altimeter because the EIS on the warning page.
> Looks like high EGT, but not too bad as I have the limits set kind of low.
>
> Turn crosswind before I get out of gliding range. Left wing drops, fixed,
> not going the right way. Was that the plane or an air bubble? Mushed it
> around finally pointing the right way. Looked for traffic, none seen nor
> heard. OK more bumps and more PIO. Throttle up, down and everywhere in
> between.
>
> YIKES, what have I done? Wait, calm down and fly. Whew, better, time to
> turn downwind. Glance at airspeed, somewhere north of 60, OK we probably
> won't stall and spin in a gentle turn. This one went better. On downwind
> leg, getting a grip and just flying.
>
> Turned base leg, more bumps, more PIO. Recovery was smoother and faster.
> Got it around to final leg. Decided to just stay at that altitude, whatever
> it was and just fly around the patch one more time keeping the runway
> slightly off to my left so I can see if I am going straight.
>
> Some guy on the ground calls me on the radio and says "is it rough up
> there or are you having problems?" WHAT? I am 90 seconds into my first
> flight and YOU want to talk about it, NOW? Are you planning on coming up
> to help? Found the transmit button and managed to squeak out "I think it's
> me". Managed to drop the button, oh-oh, this thing is flapping every which
> way but loose again!
>
> OK, calm down and fly, OK better. Managed to get all the way around to
> base leg again and only had a few "burbles and PIO's". OK, plan on making
> a standard approach and fly the length of the runway, then go around and do
> it again. Radio calls, someone 5 miles out, headed my way. That is a
> Champ, he will be here before I can get out of the way.
>
> On final now, wishing I could find that transmit button to let him know my
> intentions. Back off the throttle a little and push the nose down. Not so
> bad, holding 50 MPH. Keeping lined up, still 50. OK. Hey, I am pointed at
> the numbers, well, if there were numbers, that is where they would be.
> Still going 50, all is well. Champ is getting close, better just set it
> down and get out of the way.
>
> Wait, what? Landing? Man, that runway got here fast, backed of the
> throttle and started to flair. How high am I? Where did the center of the
> runway go?
>
> Still pointed straight, slowing down. How low do I put the nose? I don't
> want to nose over. I don't want to do a 3 point, do I flair anymore?
>
> Didn't matter, Serenity decided for me. We did a 3 point landing on 2
> wheels. Boing! One good hop of maybe 6", then all 3 wheels hit and
> stuck. Jerked the last of the throttle off and was stopped in the middle
> of the runway in seconds.
>
> WOW! I am alive! Wow, I am still in the runway with traffic in the
> pattern, somewhere.
>
> Powered up and taxied off the runway, just in time to hear the Champ on
> downwind for the runway I was on, no problems there. Just reaching the
> taxiway when something big and heavy with low wings comes screaming in on
> the main runway and touches down. Right about where I would have been if I
> had done a go around. If he used the radio, I certainly never heard it. It
> might have been a Cherokee or something like it, I only saw a flash.
>
> That certainly was enough for me for the day. Looking at the windsock it
> was halfway out and crosswise to all runways, good time to hang it up.
> Found my transmit button and and announce "Down and clear". Taxiing back
> to the hangar, I heard the Champ on final and clear of the runway. Never
> did see that other plane again.
>
> Man, will I EVER have nerve enough to do THAT again? Really, really
> unsure at this point.
>
> My wife who had been watching from the edge of the runway finally gets
> back to the hangar and congratulates me. She didn't seem excited at all?
> She said it looked great, but then again, she usually can't tell the
> difference between a Cherokee and a Champ when they are in the air.....
>
> Got Serenity folded up and put away. Gee, will I ever get an appetite
> again? Can I still drive? Should I just walk home? It is only 20 miles
> and walking is probably safer.
>
> When I got home and looked at the videos my wife took, two things were
> obvious. One, my wife can't run a camera, LOTS of blue sky and engine
> sounds. Two, (she did manage to film the landing) my landing was not nearly
> as bad as I thought while I was doing it, and in my mind afterward.
>
> Took two days of "digesting and analyzing" to begin to come to grips with
> what happened.
>
> Lessons learned, or at least re-learned:
>
> Flights rarely go according to plan, have options.
>
> Basic instruction (if done right) is always with you, ie: calm down and
> fly, and cut your corrections in half. Thank you Mr. Thomas, all the way
> back to 1973.
>
> If you didn't bend it, you did good.
>
> I am now ready to do it again. Well, not again, better next time.
>
> I tell this story partially for my own therapy, and for others to
> hopefully learn from. If nothing else, maybe it will entertain some of you.
>
> One thing I have not been able to figure out, is why it veered right on
> take off.
>
> Taxi testing showed no propensity to go anywhere but straight, so I don't
> think is a landing gear problem. My prop turns clockwise (as viewed from
> behind), so P-factor should turn it to the left. Dead bugs and oil
> droplets on the tail would indicate the air is hitting the left side of the
> vertical stabilizer more than the right side. That should push me left, not
> right. Maybe my old Chief training took over and I was applying right
> rudder without knowing it.
>
> Only a re-try will tell for sure. Hopefully I will get some dead air time
> yet this fall.
>
> Thanks for listening,
>
> Stuart
>
> --------
> "I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me"
> - Josh Wedon
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432479#432479
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Serenity flies! |
Perhaps you should have let Wash make the first flight.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Airknocker" <airknocker@harnerfarm.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:41 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Serenity flies!
>
> Well guys, we finally did it. Last Saturday I took Serenity to the
> airport and got to taxi her around a little. Found a couple of minor
> things to adjust, then test again.
>
> Taxied around the ramp slowly, then went to the west end of the grass
> strip. At this point, I have to say pavement SUCKS!
>
> The weather was warm and the breeze light and variable. Made several
> trips up and down the runway at varying speeds, getting braver with each
> pass. Got the tail up and was able to hold it there while keeping
> straight. No irregularities at all. Engine running well with temps in
> the right range.
>
> A quick check of the radio, no other planes in the area, time to quit
> messing around.
>
> Partial power up, tail up, glance at the windsock, limp and straight down
> the runway. More power, getting light and bouncy. Oops, not going
> straight anymore, glance at windsock, right crosswind, fed in some right
> aileron and left rudder. She feels ready to fly, oh, oh, runway light in
> the cross-hairs! More power and pull back, airborne well before edge of
> runway.
>
> Holy CRAP! I'm airborne!
>
> Left wing dropped, over corrected.
> Nose came up, over corrected.
> Nose went down, pulled off some power, got it level with elevator.
> Crap, right wing went down, over corrected, but not as much.
> Warning light on EIS, EGT or something out of whack.
> Wings have a mind of their own, tail does too...
>
> What the HE!! have I done? I won't die up here, it will be when I hit the
> ground out of control. Panic setting in! Every time I touch something,
> EVERYTHING changes. AAAGGGG!
>
> Wait, calm down and just fly. Whew, that is better, where am I? Why is
> that warning light still on?
>
> Let go of throttle to hit button on EIS. Throttle shuts down and nose
> comes up. HUH? Push nose down, grab throttle and start the PIO all over
> again. Wait, calm down and fly.
>
> OK, not so bad, oops bumps in the air. Gee I must be above pattern
> altitude, can't see the altimeter because the EIS on the warning page.
> Looks like high EGT, but not too bad as I have the limits set kind of low.
>
> Turn crosswind before I get out of gliding range. Left wing drops, fixed,
> not going the right way. Was that the plane or an air bubble? Mushed it
> around finally pointing the right way. Looked for traffic, none seen nor
> heard. OK more bumps and more PIO. Throttle up, down and everywhere in
> between.
>
> YIKES, what have I done? Wait, calm down and fly. Whew, better, time to
> turn downwind. Glance at airspeed, somewhere north of 60, OK we probably
> won't stall and spin in a gentle turn. This one went better. On downwind
> leg, getting a grip and just flying.
>
> Turned base leg, more bumps, more PIO. Recovery was smoother and faster.
> Got it around to final leg. Decided to just stay at that altitude,
> whatever it was and just fly around the patch one more time keeping the
> runway slightly off to my left so I can see if I am going straight.
>
> Some guy on the ground calls me on the radio and says "is it rough up
> there or are you having problems?" WHAT? I am 90 seconds into my first
> flight and YOU want to talk about it, NOW? Are you planning on coming up
> to help? Found the transmit button and managed to squeak out "I think
> it's me". Managed to drop the button, oh-oh, this thing is flapping every
> which way but loose again!
>
> OK, calm down and fly, OK better. Managed to get all the way around to
> base leg again and only had a few "burbles and PIO's". OK, plan on making
> a standard approach and fly the length of the runway, then go around and
> do it again. Radio calls, someone 5 miles out, headed my way. That is a
> Champ, he will be here before I can get out of the way.
>
> On final now, wishing I could find that transmit button to let him know my
> intentions. Back off the throttle a little and push the nose down. Not so
> bad, holding 50 MPH. Keeping lined up, still 50. OK. Hey, I am pointed
> at the numbers, well, if there were numbers, that is where they would be.
> Still going 50, all is well. Champ is getting close, better just set it
> down and get out of the way.
>
> Wait, what? Landing? Man, that runway got here fast, backed of the
> throttle and started to flair. How high am I? Where did the center of the
> runway go?
>
> Still pointed straight, slowing down. How low do I put the nose? I don't
> want to nose over. I don't want to do a 3 point, do I flair anymore?
>
> Didn't matter, Serenity decided for me. We did a 3 point landing on 2
> wheels. Boing! One good hop of maybe 6", then all 3 wheels hit and
> stuck. Jerked the last of the throttle off and was stopped in the middle
> of the runway in seconds.
>
> WOW! I am alive! Wow, I am still in the runway with traffic in the
> pattern, somewhere.
>
> Powered up and taxied off the runway, just in time to hear the Champ on
> downwind for the runway I was on, no problems there. Just reaching the
> taxiway when something big and heavy with low wings comes screaming in on
> the main runway and touches down. Right about where I would have been if
> I had done a go around. If he used the radio, I certainly never heard it.
> It might have been a Cherokee or something like it, I only saw a flash.
>
> That certainly was enough for me for the day. Looking at the windsock it
> was halfway out and crosswise to all runways, good time to hang it up.
> Found my transmit button and and announce "Down and clear". Taxiing back
> to the hangar, I heard the Champ on final and clear of the runway. Never
> did see that other plane again.
>
> Man, will I EVER have nerve enough to do THAT again? Really, really
> unsure at this point.
>
> My wife who had been watching from the edge of the runway finally gets
> back to the hangar and congratulates me. She didn't seem excited at all?
> She said it looked great, but then again, she usually can't tell the
> difference between a Cherokee and a Champ when they are in the air.....
>
> Got Serenity folded up and put away. Gee, will I ever get an appetite
> again? Can I still drive? Should I just walk home? It is only 20 miles
> and walking is probably safer.
>
> When I got home and looked at the videos my wife took, two things were
> obvious. One, my wife can't run a camera, LOTS of blue sky and engine
> sounds. Two, (she did manage to film the landing) my landing was not
> nearly as bad as I thought while I was doing it, and in my mind afterward.
>
> Took two days of "digesting and analyzing" to begin to come to grips with
> what happened.
>
> Lessons learned, or at least re-learned:
>
> Flights rarely go according to plan, have options.
>
> Basic instruction (if done right) is always with you, ie: calm down and
> fly, and cut your corrections in half. Thank you Mr. Thomas, all the way
> back to 1973.
>
> If you didn't bend it, you did good.
>
> I am now ready to do it again. Well, not again, better next time.
>
> I tell this story partially for my own therapy, and for others to
> hopefully learn from. If nothing else, maybe it will entertain some of
> you.
>
> One thing I have not been able to figure out, is why it veered right on
> take off.
>
> Taxi testing showed no propensity to go anywhere but straight, so I don't
> think is a landing gear problem. My prop turns clockwise (as viewed from
> behind), so P-factor should turn it to the left. Dead bugs and oil
> droplets on the tail would indicate the air is hitting the left side of
> the vertical stabilizer more than the right side. That should push me
> left, not right. Maybe my old Chief training took over and I was applying
> right rudder without knowing it.
>
> Only a re-try will tell for sure. Hopefully I will get some dead air time
> yet this fall.
>
> Thanks for listening,
>
> Stuart
>
> --------
> "I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from
> me" - Josh Wedon
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432479#432479
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Dual controls for my twin star |
I just bought an older 1991: twin star. It has the single center stick controls
and I am wanting to put in a set of dual controls. Has anyone got experience
doing this or do they make a kit to convert it. Any help or suggestions would
be appreciated.
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| Subject: | Dual controls for my twin star |
I just bought an older 1991: twin star. It has the single center stick controls
and I am wanting to put in a set of dual controls. Has anyone got experience
doing this or do they make a kit to convert it. Any help or suggestions would
be appreciated.
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| Subject: | Re: Serenity flies! |
Two stoke powered Kolbs turn right at full power , use the left rudder pedal.
Glad all ended well.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, Rotax 670,
Leechburg, PA
> On Oct 29, 2014, at 12:41 PM, "Airknocker" <airknocker@harnerfarm.net> wrote:
>
>
> Well guys, we finally did it. Last Saturday I took Serenity to the airport and
got to taxi her around a little. Found a couple of minor things to adjust,
then test again.
>
> Taxied around the ramp slowly, then went to the west end of the grass strip.
At this point, I have to say pavement SUCKS!
>
> The weather was warm and the breeze light and variable. Made several trips up
and down the runway at varying speeds, getting braver with each pass. Got the
tail up and was able to hold it there while keeping straight. No irregularities
at all. Engine running well with temps in the right range.
>
> A quick check of the radio, no other planes in the area, time to quit messing
around.
>
> Partial power up, tail up, glance at the windsock, limp and straight down the
runway. More power, getting light and bouncy. Oops, not going straight anymore,
glance at windsock, right crosswind, fed in some right aileron and left rudder.
She feels ready to fly, oh, oh, runway light in the cross-hairs! More
power and pull back, airborne well before edge of runway.
>
> Holy CRAP! I'm airborne!
>
> Left wing dropped, over corrected.
> Nose came up, over corrected.
> Nose went down, pulled off some power, got it level with elevator.
> Crap, right wing went down, over corrected, but not as much.
> Warning light on EIS, EGT or something out of whack.
> Wings have a mind of their own, tail does too...
>
> What the HE!! have I done? I won't die up here, it will be when I hit the ground
out of control. Panic setting in! Every time I touch something, EVERYTHING
changes. AAAGGGG!
>
> Wait, calm down and just fly. Whew, that is better, where am I? Why is that
warning light still on?
>
> Let go of throttle to hit button on EIS. Throttle shuts down and nose comes
up. HUH? Push nose down, grab throttle and start the PIO all over again. Wait,
calm down and fly.
>
> OK, not so bad, oops bumps in the air. Gee I must be above pattern altitude,
can't see the altimeter because the EIS on the warning page. Looks like high
EGT, but not too bad as I have the limits set kind of low.
>
> Turn crosswind before I get out of gliding range. Left wing drops, fixed, not
going the right way. Was that the plane or an air bubble? Mushed it around finally
pointing the right way. Looked for traffic, none seen nor heard. OK more
bumps and more PIO. Throttle up, down and everywhere in between.
>
> YIKES, what have I done? Wait, calm down and fly. Whew, better, time to turn
downwind. Glance at airspeed, somewhere north of 60, OK we probably won't stall
and spin in a gentle turn. This one went better. On downwind leg, getting
a grip and just flying.
>
> Turned base leg, more bumps, more PIO. Recovery was smoother and faster. Got
it around to final leg. Decided to just stay at that altitude, whatever it was
and just fly around the patch one more time keeping the runway slightly off
to my left so I can see if I am going straight.
>
> Some guy on the ground calls me on the radio and says "is it rough up there or
are you having problems?" WHAT? I am 90 seconds into my first flight and YOU
want to talk about it, NOW? Are you planning on coming up to help? Found
the transmit button and managed to squeak out "I think it's me". Managed to drop
the button, oh-oh, this thing is flapping every which way but loose again!
>
> OK, calm down and fly, OK better. Managed to get all the way around to base
leg again and only had a few "burbles and PIO's". OK, plan on making a standard
approach and fly the length of the runway, then go around and do it again.
Radio calls, someone 5 miles out, headed my way. That is a Champ, he will be
here before I can get out of the way.
>
> On final now, wishing I could find that transmit button to let him know my intentions.
Back off the throttle a little and push the nose down. Not so bad,
holding 50 MPH. Keeping lined up, still 50. OK. Hey, I am pointed at the numbers,
well, if there were numbers, that is where they would be. Still going 50,
all is well. Champ is getting close, better just set it down and get out of
the way.
>
> Wait, what? Landing? Man, that runway got here fast, backed of the throttle
and started to flair. How high am I? Where did the center of the runway go?
>
> Still pointed straight, slowing down. How low do I put the nose? I don't want
to nose over. I don't want to do a 3 point, do I flair anymore?
>
> Didn't matter, Serenity decided for me. We did a 3 point landing on 2 wheels.
Boing! One good hop of maybe 6", then all 3 wheels hit and stuck. Jerked
the last of the throttle off and was stopped in the middle of the runway in seconds.
>
> WOW! I am alive! Wow, I am still in the runway with traffic in the pattern,
somewhere.
>
> Powered up and taxied off the runway, just in time to hear the Champ on downwind
for the runway I was on, no problems there. Just reaching the taxiway when
something big and heavy with low wings comes screaming in on the main runway
and touches down. Right about where I would have been if I had done a go around.
If he used the radio, I certainly never heard it. It might have been a Cherokee
or something like it, I only saw a flash.
>
> That certainly was enough for me for the day. Looking at the windsock it was
halfway out and crosswise to all runways, good time to hang it up. Found my
transmit button and and announce "Down and clear". Taxiing back to the hangar,
I heard the Champ on final and clear of the runway. Never did see that other
plane again.
>
> Man, will I EVER have nerve enough to do THAT again? Really, really unsure at
this point.
>
> My wife who had been watching from the edge of the runway finally gets back to
the hangar and congratulates me. She didn't seem excited at all? She said it
looked great, but then again, she usually can't tell the difference between
a Cherokee and a Champ when they are in the air.....
>
> Got Serenity folded up and put away. Gee, will I ever get an appetite again?
Can I still drive? Should I just walk home? It is only 20 miles and walking
is probably safer.
>
> When I got home and looked at the videos my wife took, two things were obvious.
One, my wife can't run a camera, LOTS of blue sky and engine sounds. Two,
(she did manage to film the landing) my landing was not nearly as bad as I thought
while I was doing it, and in my mind afterward.
>
> Took two days of "digesting and analyzing" to begin to come to grips with what
happened.
>
> Lessons learned, or at least re-learned:
>
> Flights rarely go according to plan, have options.
>
> Basic instruction (if done right) is always with you, ie: calm down and fly,
and cut your corrections in half. Thank you Mr. Thomas, all the way back to 1973.
>
> If you didn't bend it, you did good.
>
> I am now ready to do it again. Well, not again, better next time.
>
> I tell this story partially for my own therapy, and for others to hopefully learn
from. If nothing else, maybe it will entertain some of you.
>
> One thing I have not been able to figure out, is why it veered right on take
off.
>
> Taxi testing showed no propensity to go anywhere but straight, so I don't think
is a landing gear problem. My prop turns clockwise (as viewed from behind),
so P-factor should turn it to the left. Dead bugs and oil droplets on the
tail would indicate the air is hitting the left side of the vertical stabilizer
more than the right side. That should push me left, not right. Maybe my old
Chief training took over and I was applying right rudder without knowing it.
>
> Only a re-try will tell for sure. Hopefully I will get some dead air time yet
this fall.
>
> Thanks for listening,
>
> Stuart
>
> --------
> "I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me" - Josh
Wedon
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432479#432479
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dual controls for my twin star |
Where are you located? I have dual sticks in an Xtra & would consider changing
to a single center stick
On Oct 29, 2014, at 5:03 PM, Guideman wrote:
>
> I just bought an older 1991: twin star. It has the single center stick controls
and I am wanting to put in a set of dual controls. Has anyone got experience
doing this or do they make a kit to convert it. Any help or suggestions would
be appreciated.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Serenity flies! |
Dennis, cant help but be curious. Why the right turn?
On Oct 29, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Dennis Rowe wrote:
>
> Two stoke powered Kolbs turn right at full power , use the left rudder pedal.
> Glad all ended well.
>
> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
> Mk3, Rotax 670,
> Leechburg, PA
>
>
>
>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 12:41 PM, "Airknocker" <airknocker@harnerfarm.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Well guys, we finally did it. Last Saturday I took Serenity to the airport
and got to taxi her around a little. Found a couple of minor things to adjust,
then test again.
>>
>> Taxied around the ramp slowly, then went to the west end of the grass strip.
At this point, I have to say pavement SUCKS!
>>
>> The weather was warm and the breeze light and variable. Made several trips
up and down the runway at varying speeds, getting braver with each pass. Got
the tail up and was able to hold it there while keeping straight. No irregularities
at all. Engine running well with temps in the right range.
>>
>> A quick check of the radio, no other planes in the area, time to quit messing
around.
>>
>> Partial power up, tail up, glance at the windsock, limp and straight down the
runway. More power, getting light and bouncy. Oops, not going straight anymore,
glance at windsock, right crosswind, fed in some right aileron and left rudder.
She feels ready to fly, oh, oh, runway light in the cross-hairs! More
power and pull back, airborne well before edge of runway.
>>
>> Holy CRAP! I'm airborne!
>>
>> Left wing dropped, over corrected.
>> Nose came up, over corrected.
>> Nose went down, pulled off some power, got it level with elevator.
>> Crap, right wing went down, over corrected, but not as much.
>> Warning light on EIS, EGT or something out of whack.
>> Wings have a mind of their own, tail does too...
>>
>> What the HE!! have I done? I won't die up here, it will be when I hit the ground
out of control. Panic setting in! Every time I touch something, EVERYTHING
changes. AAAGGGG!
>>
>> Wait, calm down and just fly. Whew, that is better, where am I? Why is that
warning light still on?
>>
>> Let go of throttle to hit button on EIS. Throttle shuts down and nose comes
up. HUH? Push nose down, grab throttle and start the PIO all over again. Wait,
calm down and fly.
>>
>> OK, not so bad, oops bumps in the air. Gee I must be above pattern altitude,
can't see the altimeter because the EIS on the warning page. Looks like high
EGT, but not too bad as I have the limits set kind of low.
>>
>> Turn crosswind before I get out of gliding range. Left wing drops, fixed, not
going the right way. Was that the plane or an air bubble? Mushed it around
finally pointing the right way. Looked for traffic, none seen nor heard. OK
more bumps and more PIO. Throttle up, down and everywhere in between.
>>
>> YIKES, what have I done? Wait, calm down and fly. Whew, better, time to turn
downwind. Glance at airspeed, somewhere north of 60, OK we probably won't stall
and spin in a gentle turn. This one went better. On downwind leg, getting
a grip and just flying.
>>
>> Turned base leg, more bumps, more PIO. Recovery was smoother and faster. Got
it around to final leg. Decided to just stay at that altitude, whatever it was
and just fly around the patch one more time keeping the runway slightly off
to my left so I can see if I am going straight.
>>
>> Some guy on the ground calls me on the radio and says "is it rough up there
or are you having problems?" WHAT? I am 90 seconds into my first flight and
YOU want to talk about it, NOW? Are you planning on coming up to help? Found
the transmit button and managed to squeak out "I think it's me". Managed to drop
the button, oh-oh, this thing is flapping every which way but loose again!
>>
>> OK, calm down and fly, OK better. Managed to get all the way around to base
leg again and only had a few "burbles and PIO's". OK, plan on making a standard
approach and fly the length of the runway, then go around and do it again.
Radio calls, someone 5 miles out, headed my way. That is a Champ, he will be
here before I can get out of the way.
>>
>> On final now, wishing I could find that transmit button to let him know my intentions.
Back off the throttle a little and push the nose down. Not so bad,
holding 50 MPH. Keeping lined up, still 50. OK. Hey, I am pointed at the numbers,
well, if there were numbers, that is where they would be. Still going
50, all is well. Champ is getting close, better just set it down and get out
of the way.
>>
>> Wait, what? Landing? Man, that runway got here fast, backed of the throttle
and started to flair. How high am I? Where did the center of the runway go?
>>
>> Still pointed straight, slowing down. How low do I put the nose? I don't want
to nose over. I don't want to do a 3 point, do I flair anymore?
>>
>> Didn't matter, Serenity decided for me. We did a 3 point landing on 2 wheels.
Boing! One good hop of maybe 6", then all 3 wheels hit and stuck. Jerked
the last of the throttle off and was stopped in the middle of the runway in seconds.
>>
>> WOW! I am alive! Wow, I am still in the runway with traffic in the pattern,
somewhere.
>>
>> Powered up and taxied off the runway, just in time to hear the Champ on downwind
for the runway I was on, no problems there. Just reaching the taxiway when
something big and heavy with low wings comes screaming in on the main runway
and touches down. Right about where I would have been if I had done a go around.
If he used the radio, I certainly never heard it. It might have been a
Cherokee or something like it, I only saw a flash.
>>
>> That certainly was enough for me for the day. Looking at the windsock it was
halfway out and crosswise to all runways, good time to hang it up. Found my
transmit button and and announce "Down and clear". Taxiing back to the hangar,
I heard the Champ on final and clear of the runway. Never did see that other
plane again.
>>
>> Man, will I EVER have nerve enough to do THAT again? Really, really unsure
at this point.
>>
>> My wife who had been watching from the edge of the runway finally gets back
to the hangar and congratulates me. She didn't seem excited at all? She said
it looked great, but then again, she usually can't tell the difference between
a Cherokee and a Champ when they are in the air.....
>>
>> Got Serenity folded up and put away. Gee, will I ever get an appetite again?
Can I still drive? Should I just walk home? It is only 20 miles and walking
is probably safer.
>>
>> When I got home and looked at the videos my wife took, two things were obvious.
One, my wife can't run a camera, LOTS of blue sky and engine sounds. Two,
(she did manage to film the landing) my landing was not nearly as bad as I thought
while I was doing it, and in my mind afterward.
>>
>> Took two days of "digesting and analyzing" to begin to come to grips with what
happened.
>>
>> Lessons learned, or at least re-learned:
>>
>> Flights rarely go according to plan, have options.
>>
>> Basic instruction (if done right) is always with you, ie: calm down and fly,
and cut your corrections in half. Thank you Mr. Thomas, all the way back to
1973.
>>
>> If you didn't bend it, you did good.
>>
>> I am now ready to do it again. Well, not again, better next time.
>>
>> I tell this story partially for my own therapy, and for others to hopefully
learn from. If nothing else, maybe it will entertain some of you.
>>
>> One thing I have not been able to figure out, is why it veered right on take
off.
>>
>> Taxi testing showed no propensity to go anywhere but straight, so I don't think
is a landing gear problem. My prop turns clockwise (as viewed from behind),
so P-factor should turn it to the left. Dead bugs and oil droplets on the
tail would indicate the air is hitting the left side of the vertical stabilizer
more than the right side. That should push me left, not right. Maybe my old
Chief training took over and I was applying right rudder without knowing it.
>>
>> Only a re-try will tell for sure. Hopefully I will get some dead air time yet
this fall.
>>
>> Thanks for listening,
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>> --------
>> "I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me" -
Josh Wedon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432479#432479
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Yeah, that will take some getting used to. It must be air forces on tail,
not P-factor.
I surprised me mostly because I did not notice it on my tail up taxi tests,
and it went against the logic of the P-factor effect of a clockwise prop.
My first instructor (the previously mentioned Mr. Thomas) used to make me
take off while he ran the throttle. Full throttle until tail up, then he
would back it off to just enough to keep the tail up. I would have to steer
the whole length of the 2600' grass strip. Then at the last moment he would
firewall it and we would take off. Go around and do it again. After I
FINALLY got the hang of that, the rest of the buildup to solo was fairly
easy. When turning a pre-war Chief, always lead with your feet.
Time to switch feet. :)
Thanks,
Stuart
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Rowe
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Serenity flies!
Two stoke powered Kolbs turn right at full power , use the left rudder
pedal.
Glad all ended well.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, Rotax 670,
Leechburg, PA
> On Oct 29, 2014, at 12:41 PM, "Airknocker" <airknocker@harnerfarm.net>
wrote:
>
>
> Well guys, we finally did it. Last Saturday I took Serenity to the
airport and got to taxi her around a little. Found a couple of minor things
to adjust, then test again.
>
> Taxied around the ramp slowly, then went to the west end of the grass
strip. At this point, I have to say pavement SUCKS!
>
> The weather was warm and the breeze light and variable. Made several
trips up and down the runway at varying speeds, getting braver with each
pass. Got the tail up and was able to hold it there while keeping straight.
No irregularities at all. Engine running well with temps in the right
range.
>
> A quick check of the radio, no other planes in the area, time to quit
messing around.
>
> Partial power up, tail up, glance at the windsock, limp and straight down
the runway. More power, getting light and bouncy. Oops, not going straight
anymore, glance at windsock, right crosswind, fed in some right aileron and
left rudder. She feels ready to fly, oh, oh, runway light in the
cross-hairs! More power and pull back, airborne well before edge of runway.
>
> Holy CRAP! I'm airborne!
>
> Left wing dropped, over corrected.
> Nose came up, over corrected.
> Nose went down, pulled off some power, got it level with elevator.
> Crap, right wing went down, over corrected, but not as much.
> Warning light on EIS, EGT or something out of whack.
> Wings have a mind of their own, tail does too...
>
> What the HE!! have I done? I won't die up here, it will be when I hit the
ground out of control. Panic setting in! Every time I touch something,
EVERYTHING changes. AAAGGGG!
>
> Wait, calm down and just fly. Whew, that is better, where am I? Why is
that warning light still on?
>
> Let go of throttle to hit button on EIS. Throttle shuts down and nose
comes up. HUH? Push nose down, grab throttle and start the PIO all over
again. Wait, calm down and fly.
>
> OK, not so bad, oops bumps in the air. Gee I must be above pattern
altitude, can't see the altimeter because the EIS on the warning page. Looks
like high EGT, but not too bad as I have the limits set kind of low.
>
> Turn crosswind before I get out of gliding range. Left wing drops, fixed,
not going the right way. Was that the plane or an air bubble? Mushed it
around finally pointing the right way. Looked for traffic, none seen nor
heard. OK more bumps and more PIO. Throttle up, down and everywhere in
between.
>
> YIKES, what have I done? Wait, calm down and fly. Whew, better, time to
turn downwind. Glance at airspeed, somewhere north of 60, OK we probably
won't stall and spin in a gentle turn. This one went better. On downwind
leg, getting a grip and just flying.
>
> Turned base leg, more bumps, more PIO. Recovery was smoother and faster.
Got it around to final leg. Decided to just stay at that altitude, whatever
it was and just fly around the patch one more time keeping the runway
slightly off to my left so I can see if I am going straight.
>
> Some guy on the ground calls me on the radio and says "is it rough up
there or are you having problems?" WHAT? I am 90 seconds into my first
flight and YOU want to talk about it, NOW? Are you planning on coming up to
help? Found the transmit button and managed to squeak out "I think it's
me". Managed to drop the button, oh-oh, this thing is flapping every which
way but loose again!
>
> OK, calm down and fly, OK better. Managed to get all the way around to
base leg again and only had a few "burbles and PIO's". OK, plan on making a
standard approach and fly the length of the runway, then go around and do it
again. Radio calls, someone 5 miles out, headed my way. That is a Champ,
he will be here before I can get out of the way.
>
> On final now, wishing I could find that transmit button to let him know my
intentions. Back off the throttle a little and push the nose down. Not so
bad, holding 50 MPH. Keeping lined up, still 50. OK. Hey, I am pointed at
the numbers, well, if there were numbers, that is where they would be.
Still going 50, all is well. Champ is getting close, better just set it
down and get out of the way.
>
> Wait, what? Landing? Man, that runway got here fast, backed of the
throttle and started to flair. How high am I? Where did the center of the
runway go?
>
> Still pointed straight, slowing down. How low do I put the nose? I don't
want to nose over. I don't want to do a 3 point, do I flair anymore?
>
> Didn't matter, Serenity decided for me. We did a 3 point landing on 2
wheels. Boing! One good hop of maybe 6", then all 3 wheels hit and stuck.
Jerked the last of the throttle off and was stopped in the middle of the
runway in seconds.
>
> WOW! I am alive! Wow, I am still in the runway with traffic in the
pattern, somewhere.
>
> Powered up and taxied off the runway, just in time to hear the Champ on
downwind for the runway I was on, no problems there. Just reaching the
taxiway when something big and heavy with low wings comes screaming in on
the main runway and touches down. Right about where I would have been if I
had done a go around. If he used the radio, I certainly never heard it. It
might have been a Cherokee or something like it, I only saw a flash.
>
> That certainly was enough for me for the day. Looking at the windsock it
was halfway out and crosswise to all runways, good time to hang it up.
Found my transmit button and and announce "Down and clear". Taxiing back to
the hangar, I heard the Champ on final and clear of the runway. Never did
see that other plane again.
>
> Man, will I EVER have nerve enough to do THAT again? Really, really
unsure at this point.
>
> My wife who had been watching from the edge of the runway finally gets
back to the hangar and congratulates me. She didn't seem excited at all?
She said it looked great, but then again, she usually can't tell the
difference between a Cherokee and a Champ when they are in the air.....
>
> Got Serenity folded up and put away. Gee, will I ever get an appetite
again? Can I still drive? Should I just walk home? It is only 20 miles
and walking is probably safer.
>
> When I got home and looked at the videos my wife took, two things were
obvious. One, my wife can't run a camera, LOTS of blue sky and engine
sounds. Two, (she did manage to film the landing) my landing was not nearly
as bad as I thought while I was doing it, and in my mind afterward.
>
> Took two days of "digesting and analyzing" to begin to come to grips with
what happened.
>
> Lessons learned, or at least re-learned:
>
> Flights rarely go according to plan, have options.
>
> Basic instruction (if done right) is always with you, ie: calm down and
fly, and cut your corrections in half. Thank you Mr. Thomas, all the way
back to 1973.
>
> If you didn't bend it, you did good.
>
> I am now ready to do it again. Well, not again, better next time.
>
> I tell this story partially for my own therapy, and for others to
hopefully learn from. If nothing else, maybe it will entertain some of you.
>
> One thing I have not been able to figure out, is why it veered right on
take off.
>
> Taxi testing showed no propensity to go anywhere but straight, so I don't
think is a landing gear problem. My prop turns clockwise (as viewed from
behind), so P-factor should turn it to the left. Dead bugs and oil
droplets on the tail would indicate the air is hitting the left side of the
vertical stabilizer more than the right side. That should push me left, not
right. Maybe my old Chief training took over and I was applying right rudder
without knowing it.
>
> Only a re-try will tell for sure. Hopefully I will get some dead air time
yet this fall.
>
> Thanks for listening,
>
> Stuart
>
> --------
> "I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me"
- Josh Wedon
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432479#432479
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Ha! I thought of that, but he was on the other side of the 'verse and I
couldn't get a wave through to him. Probably helping Mal misbehave
somewhere.....
S
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Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Serenity flies!
Perhaps you should have let Wash make the first flight.
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From: "Airknocker" <airknocker@harnerfarm.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:41 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Serenity flies!
>
> Well guys, we finally did it. Last Saturday I took Serenity to the
> airport and got to taxi her around a little. Found a couple of minor
> things to adjust, then test again.
>
> Taxied around the ramp slowly, then went to the west end of the grass
> strip. At this point, I have to say pavement SUCKS!
>
> The weather was warm and the breeze light and variable. Made several
> trips up and down the runway at varying speeds, getting braver with each
> pass. Got the tail up and was able to hold it there while keeping
> straight. No irregularities at all. Engine running well with temps in
> the right range.
>
> A quick check of the radio, no other planes in the area, time to quit
> messing around.
>
> Partial power up, tail up, glance at the windsock, limp and straight down
> the runway. More power, getting light and bouncy. Oops, not going
> straight anymore, glance at windsock, right crosswind, fed in some right
> aileron and left rudder. She feels ready to fly, oh, oh, runway light in
> the cross-hairs! More power and pull back, airborne well before edge of
> runway.
>
> Holy CRAP! I'm airborne!
>
> Left wing dropped, over corrected.
> Nose came up, over corrected.
> Nose went down, pulled off some power, got it level with elevator.
> Crap, right wing went down, over corrected, but not as much.
> Warning light on EIS, EGT or something out of whack.
> Wings have a mind of their own, tail does too...
>
> What the HE!! have I done? I won't die up here, it will be when I hit the
> ground out of control. Panic setting in! Every time I touch something,
> EVERYTHING changes. AAAGGGG!
>
> Wait, calm down and just fly. Whew, that is better, where am I? Why is
> that warning light still on?
>
> Let go of throttle to hit button on EIS. Throttle shuts down and nose
> comes up. HUH? Push nose down, grab throttle and start the PIO all over
> again. Wait, calm down and fly.
>
> OK, not so bad, oops bumps in the air. Gee I must be above pattern
> altitude, can't see the altimeter because the EIS on the warning page.
> Looks like high EGT, but not too bad as I have the limits set kind of low.
>
> Turn crosswind before I get out of gliding range. Left wing drops, fixed,
> not going the right way. Was that the plane or an air bubble? Mushed it
> around finally pointing the right way. Looked for traffic, none seen nor
> heard. OK more bumps and more PIO. Throttle up, down and everywhere in
> between.
>
> YIKES, what have I done? Wait, calm down and fly. Whew, better, time to
> turn downwind. Glance at airspeed, somewhere north of 60, OK we probably
> won't stall and spin in a gentle turn. This one went better. On downwind
> leg, getting a grip and just flying.
>
> Turned base leg, more bumps, more PIO. Recovery was smoother and faster.
> Got it around to final leg. Decided to just stay at that altitude,
> whatever it was and just fly around the patch one more time keeping the
> runway slightly off to my left so I can see if I am going straight.
>
> Some guy on the ground calls me on the radio and says "is it rough up
> there or are you having problems?" WHAT? I am 90 seconds into my first
> flight and YOU want to talk about it, NOW? Are you planning on coming up
> to help? Found the transmit button and managed to squeak out "I think
> it's me". Managed to drop the button, oh-oh, this thing is flapping every
> which way but loose again!
>
> OK, calm down and fly, OK better. Managed to get all the way around to
> base leg again and only had a few "burbles and PIO's". OK, plan on making
> a standard approach and fly the length of the runway, then go around and
> do it again. Radio calls, someone 5 miles out, headed my way. That is a
> Champ, he will be here before I can get out of the way.
>
> On final now, wishing I could find that transmit button to let him know my
> intentions. Back off the throttle a little and push the nose down. Not so
> bad, holding 50 MPH. Keeping lined up, still 50. OK. Hey, I am pointed
> at the numbers, well, if there were numbers, that is where they would be.
> Still going 50, all is well. Champ is getting close, better just set it
> down and get out of the way.
>
> Wait, what? Landing? Man, that runway got here fast, backed of the
> throttle and started to flair. How high am I? Where did the center of the
> runway go?
>
> Still pointed straight, slowing down. How low do I put the nose? I don't
> want to nose over. I don't want to do a 3 point, do I flair anymore?
>
> Didn't matter, Serenity decided for me. We did a 3 point landing on 2
> wheels. Boing! One good hop of maybe 6", then all 3 wheels hit and
> stuck. Jerked the last of the throttle off and was stopped in the middle
> of the runway in seconds.
>
> WOW! I am alive! Wow, I am still in the runway with traffic in the
> pattern, somewhere.
>
> Powered up and taxied off the runway, just in time to hear the Champ on
> downwind for the runway I was on, no problems there. Just reaching the
> taxiway when something big and heavy with low wings comes screaming in on
> the main runway and touches down. Right about where I would have been if
> I had done a go around. If he used the radio, I certainly never heard it.
> It might have been a Cherokee or something like it, I only saw a flash.
>
> That certainly was enough for me for the day. Looking at the windsock it
> was halfway out and crosswise to all runways, good time to hang it up.
> Found my transmit button and and announce "Down and clear". Taxiing back
> to the hangar, I heard the Champ on final and clear of the runway. Never
> did see that other plane again.
>
> Man, will I EVER have nerve enough to do THAT again? Really, really
> unsure at this point.
>
> My wife who had been watching from the edge of the runway finally gets
> back to the hangar and congratulates me. She didn't seem excited at all?
> She said it looked great, but then again, she usually can't tell the
> difference between a Cherokee and a Champ when they are in the air.....
>
> Got Serenity folded up and put away. Gee, will I ever get an appetite
> again? Can I still drive? Should I just walk home? It is only 20 miles
> and walking is probably safer.
>
> When I got home and looked at the videos my wife took, two things were
> obvious. One, my wife can't run a camera, LOTS of blue sky and engine
> sounds. Two, (she did manage to film the landing) my landing was not
> nearly as bad as I thought while I was doing it, and in my mind afterward.
>
> Took two days of "digesting and analyzing" to begin to come to grips with
> what happened.
>
> Lessons learned, or at least re-learned:
>
> Flights rarely go according to plan, have options.
>
> Basic instruction (if done right) is always with you, ie: calm down and
> fly, and cut your corrections in half. Thank you Mr. Thomas, all the way
> back to 1973.
>
> If you didn't bend it, you did good.
>
> I am now ready to do it again. Well, not again, better next time.
>
> I tell this story partially for my own therapy, and for others to
> hopefully learn from. If nothing else, maybe it will entertain some of
> you.
>
> One thing I have not been able to figure out, is why it veered right on
> take off.
>
> Taxi testing showed no propensity to go anywhere but straight, so I don't
> think is a landing gear problem. My prop turns clockwise (as viewed from
> behind), so P-factor should turn it to the left. Dead bugs and oil
> droplets on the tail would indicate the air is hitting the left side of
> the vertical stabilizer more than the right side. That should push me
> left, not right. Maybe my old Chief training took over and I was applying
> right rudder without knowing it.
>
> Only a re-try will tell for sure. Hopefully I will get some dead air time
> yet this fall.
>
> Thanks for listening,
>
> Stuart
>
> --------
> "I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from
> me" - Josh Wedon
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432479#432479
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Serenity flies! |
Most folks agree it's the prop wash swirling against the tail,
912 powered Kolbs need right rudder just like GA birds.
The right turn at full power nearly bit my buddy Dave Lewis on his first Slingshot
flight too, I had added a rudder trim tab to my Mk-3 before his familiarization
rides with me so it didn't prepare him for the opposite rudder required
in a Kolb compared to his Cessna ppl training.
As a group, we need to do a better job of reminding new Kolb pilots of this little
surprise.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, Rotax 670,
Leechburg, PA
> On Oct 29, 2014, at 6:59 PM, kinne russ <russk50@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dennis, cant help but be curious. Why the right turn?
>
>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Dennis Rowe wrote:
>>
>>
>> Two stoke powered Kolbs turn right at full power , use the left rudder pedal.
>> Glad all ended well.
>>
>> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
>> Mk3, Rotax 670,
>> Leechburg, PA
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 12:41 PM, "Airknocker" <airknocker@harnerfarm.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Well guys, we finally did it. Last Saturday I took Serenity to the airport
and got to taxi her around a little. Found a couple of minor things to adjust,
then test again.
>>>
>>> Taxied around the ramp slowly, then went to the west end of the grass strip.
At this point, I have to say pavement SUCKS!
>>>
>>> The weather was warm and the breeze light and variable. Made several trips
up and down the runway at varying speeds, getting braver with each pass. Got
the tail up and was able to hold it there while keeping straight. No irregularities
at all. Engine running well with temps in the right range.
>>>
>>> A quick check of the radio, no other planes in the area, time to quit messing
around.
>>>
>>> Partial power up, tail up, glance at the windsock, limp and straight down the
runway. More power, getting light and bouncy. Oops, not going straight anymore,
glance at windsock, right crosswind, fed in some right aileron and left
rudder. She feels ready to fly, oh, oh, runway light in the cross-hairs! More
power and pull back, airborne well before edge of runway.
>>>
>>> Holy CRAP! I'm airborne!
>>>
>>> Left wing dropped, over corrected.
>>> Nose came up, over corrected.
>>> Nose went down, pulled off some power, got it level with elevator.
>>> Crap, right wing went down, over corrected, but not as much.
>>> Warning light on EIS, EGT or something out of whack.
>>> Wings have a mind of their own, tail does too...
>>>
>
> Dennis, cant help but be curious. Why the right turn?
>
>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Dennis Rowe wrote:
>>
>>
>> Two stoke powered Kolbs turn right at full power , use the left rudder pedal.
>> Glad all ended well.
>>
>> Dennis "Skid" Rowe
>> Mk3, Rotax 670,
>> Leechburg, PA
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 12:41 PM, "Airknocker" <airknocker@harnerfarm.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Well guys, we finally did it. Last Saturday I took Serenity to the airport
and got to taxi her around a little. Found a couple of minor things to adjust,
then test again.
>>>
>>> Taxied around the ramp slowly, then went to the west end of the grass strip.
At this point, I have to say pavement SUCKS!
>>>
>>> The weather was warm and the breeze light and variable. Made several trips
up and down the runway at varying speeds, getting braver with each pass. Got
the tail up and was able to hold it there while keeping straight. No irregularities
at all. Engine running well with temps in the right range.
>>>
>>> A quick check of the radio, no other planes in the area, time to quit messing
around.
>>>
>>> Partial power up, tail up, glance at the windsock, limp and straight down the
runway. More power, getting light and bouncy. Oops, not going straight anymore,
glance at windsock, right crosswind, fed in some right aileron and left
rudder. She feels ready to fly, oh, oh, runway light in the cross-hairs! More
power and pull back, airborne well before edge of runway.
>>>
>>> Holy CRAP! I'm airborne!
>>>
>>> Left wing dropped, over corrected.
>>> Nose came up, over corrected.
>>> Nose went down, pulled off some power, got it level with elevator.
>>> Crap, right wing went down, over corrected, but not as much.
>>> Warning light on EIS, EGT or something out of whack.
>>> Wings have a mind of their own, tail does too...
>>>
>>> What the HE!! have I done? I won't die up here, it will be when I hit the
ground out of control. Panic setting in! Every time I touch something, EVERYTHING
changes. AAAGGGG!
>>>
>>> Wait, calm down and just fly. Whew, that is better, where am I? Why is that
warning light still on?
>>>
>>> Let go of throttle to hit button on EIS. Throttle shuts down and nose comes
up. HUH? Push nose down, grab throttle and start the PIO all over again. Wait,
calm down and fly.
>>>
>>> OK, not so bad, oops bumps in the air. Gee I must be above pattern altitude,
can't see the altimeter because the EIS on the warning page. Looks like high
EGT, but not too bad as I have the limits set kind of low.
>>>
>>> Turn crosswind before I get out of gliding range. Left wing drops, fixed, not
going the right way. Was that the plane or an air bubble? Mushed it around
finally pointing the right way. Looked for traffic, none seen nor heard. OK
more bumps and more PIO. Throttle up, down and everywhere in between.
>>>
>>> YIKES, what have I done? Wait, calm down and fly. Whew, better, time to turn
downwind. Glance at airspeed, somewhere north of 60, OK we probably won't
stall and spin in a gentle turn. This one went better. On downwind leg, getting
a grip and just flying.
>>>
>>> Turned base leg, more bumps, more PIO. Recovery was smoother and faster. Got
it around to final leg. Decided to just stay at that altitude, whatever it
was and just fly around the patch one more time keeping the runway slightly off
to my left so I can see if I am going straight.
>>>
>>> Some guy on the ground calls me on the radio and says "is it rough up there
or are you having problems?" WHAT? I am 90 seconds into my first flight and
YOU want to talk about it, NOW? Are you planning on coming up to help? Found
the transmit button and managed to squeak out "I think it's me". Managed to
drop the button, oh-oh, this thing is flapping every which way but loose again!
>>>
>>> OK, calm down and fly, OK better. Managed to get all the way around to base
leg again and only had a few "burbles and PIO's". OK, plan on making a standard
approach and fly the length of the runway, then go around and do it again.
Radio calls, someone 5 miles out, headed my way. That is a Champ, he will
be here before I can get out of the way.
>>>
>>> On final now, wishing I could find that transmit button to let him know my
intentions. Back off the throttle a little and push the nose down. Not so bad,
holding 50 MPH. Keeping lined up, still 50. OK. Hey, I am pointed at the numbers,
well, if there were numbers, that is where they would be. Still going
50, all is well. Champ is getting close, better just set it down and get out
of the way.
>>>
>>> Wait, what? Landing? Man, that runway got here fast, backed of the throttle
and started to flair. How high am I? Where did the center of the runway go?
>>>
>>> Still pointed straight, slowing down. How low do I put the nose? I don't want
to nose over. I don't want to do a 3 point, do I flair anymore?
>>>
>>> Didn't matter, Serenity decided for me. We did a 3 point landing on 2 wheels.
Boing! One good hop of maybe 6", then all 3 wheels hit and stuck. Jerked
the last of the throttle off and was stopped in the middle of the runway in
seconds.
>>>
>>> WOW! I am alive! Wow, I am still in the runway with traffic in the pattern,
somewhere.
>>>
>>> Powered up and taxied off the runway, just in time to hear the Champ on downwind
for the runway I was on, no problems there. Just reaching the taxiway when
something big and heavy with low wings comes screaming in on the main runway
and touches down. Right about where I would have been if I had done a go around.
If he used the radio, I certainly never heard it. It might have been a
Cherokee or something like it, I only saw a flash.
>>>
>>> That certainly was enough for me for the day. Looking at the windsock it was
halfway out and crosswise to all runways, good time to hang it up. Found
my transmit button and and announce "Down and clear". Taxiing back to the hangar,
I heard the Champ on final and clear of the runway. Never did see that other
plane again.
>>>
>>> Man, will I EVER have nerve enough to do THAT again? Really, really unsure
at this point.
>>>
>>> My wife who had been watching from the edge of the runway finally gets back
to the hangar and congratulates me. She didn't seem excited at all? She said
it looked great, but then again, she usually can't tell the difference between
a Cherokee and a Champ when they are in the air.....
>>>
>>> Got Serenity folded up and put away. Gee, will I ever get an appetite again?
Can I still drive? Should I just walk home? It is only 20 miles and walking
is probably safer.
>>>
>>> When I got home and looked at the videos my wife took, two things were obvious.
One, my wife can't run a camera, LOTS of blue sky and engine sounds. Two,
(she did manage to film the landing) my landing was not nearly as bad as I thought
while I was doing it, and in my mind afterward.
>>>
>>> Took two days of "digesting and analyzing" to begin to come to grips with what
happened.
>>>
>>> Lessons learned, or at least re-learned:
>>>
>>> Flights rarely go according to plan, have options.
>>>
>>> Basic instruction (if done right) is always with you, ie: calm down and fly,
and cut your corrections in half. Thank you Mr. Thomas, all the way back to
1973.
>>>
>>> If you didn't bend it, you did good.
>>>
>>> I am now ready to do it again. Well, not again, better next time.
>>>
>>> I tell this story partially for my own therapy, and for others to hopefully
learn from. If nothing else, maybe it will entertain some of you.
>>>
>>> One thing I have not been able to figure out, is why it veered right on take
off.
>>>
>>> Taxi testing showed no propensity to go anywhere but straight, so I don't think
is a landing gear problem. My prop turns clockwise (as viewed from behind),
so P-factor should turn it to the left. Dead bugs and oil droplets on the
tail would indicate the air is hitting the left side of the vertical stabilizer
more than the right side. That should push me left, not right. Maybe my old
Chief training took over and I was applying right rudder without knowing it.
>>>
>>> Only a re-try will tell for sure. Hopefully I will get some dead air time
yet this fall.
>>>
>>> Thanks for listening,
>>>
>>> Stuart
>>>
>>> --------
>>> "I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me" -
Josh Wedon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=432479#432479
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dual controls for my twin star |
I'm am in Richmond Missouri which is about 40 miles east of Kansas City. If your
interested email me at birdfever@msn.com and we can see if we can work something
out. Thanks,
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| Subject: | 503 muffler system |
i am also building from the ground up a star flight. I need the elbow of the muffler
system for a 503 . Anyone wanting to sell or trade some parts please contact
me. Thanks Keith. Birdfever@msn.com Richmond Missouri
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| Subject: | 503 muffler system |
i am also building from the ground up a star flight. I need the elbow of the muffler
system for a 503 . Anyone wanting to sell or trade some parts please contact
me. Thanks Keith. Birdfever@msn.com Richmond Missouri
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