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1. 07:03 AM - Re: trailering a fire fly (Robert Laird)
2. 08:08 AM - Re: trailering a fire fly (Stuart Harner)
3. 08:21 AM - Re: trailering a fire fly (Robert Laird)
4. 08:38 AM - Re: trailering a fire fly (George Alexander)
5. 02:24 PM - Re: Re: Serenity Flies, Take 2 (David Kulp)
6. 03:01 PM - Re: firestar for sale (gyrodude)
7. 08:07 PM - Re: Serenity Flies, Take 2 (west1m)
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Subject: | Re: trailering a fire fly |
One method of supporting the boom tube on a Kolb MkIII (and other aircraft)
is by using a PVC "saddle". This saddle is originally made for irrigation
piping, but works perfectly with a little modification. The saddle itself
requires no tweaking, but there is a pipe that connects to the saddle-tee,
and the base of *that* needs a large castered wheel.
Another good solution for supporting the boom tube while trailering is to
find a "base" for the pipe that comes out of the saddle-tee, and affix the
"base" to the trailer... then, after the Kolb is in place on the trailer,
put the saddle-tee in place on the boom-tube, then screw a connecting pipe
on to it and the base.
One source:
Irrigation Station LLP
11929 Windfern
Houston, TX 77064
281-890-6574
sales@irrigationstation.com
Part: 6 x 2 PVC IPS FIPT Saddle, product code 4460-20 @ $41.00
(The above part description, part #, and price is as of Aug 2008)
The part information above is only for the saddle-tee. Also needed is a
pipe, connected to the saddle-tee, and of course the wheel. (When I find a
photo of the saddle in place on the boom tube, I'll post it here.) I've
used this method (with the caster wheel for over 7 years with my Mk III. I
also have the base that attached to my trailer floor, for securing it while
transporting it.
Below are mfg pix of saddle-tees.
[image: Saddle-tee]
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> how wide is the boom tub? how long should the tube that fits into the
> wing be? how far out from the center of the boom tube the wing suppo
rt
> tube is should depend on how much padding I have between the boom tube a
nd
> the wing, this problem totty took me by surprise. I think I have a good
> handle on it, no pun intended
>
>
> Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
> Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
> http://michigansportpilotrepair.com
> LSRM-A, PPC, WS
> Great Sails - Sailmaker
> for Ultralight & Light Sport
> (989)513-3022
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Stuart Harner <stuart@harnerfarm.net>
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, November 3, 2014 11:26 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Kolb-List: trailering a fire fly
>
> How far do you have to haul it? I took mine 20 miles to the airport. I
> followed the instructions in the builder=99s manual for folding and
I made a
> tail boom stand out of an automotive jack stand. It made it, but I would
> not want to go much farther than that as there was enough movement of the
> wings against the bracket that it wore all the powder coat off of the
> bracket. I could not tell how much material was worn off of the aluminum
> spar, but it had to be at least some. For a longer move I would want the
> wing tips supported to the trailer, not the tail boom.
>
>
> $50 worth of 2X4=99s, screws and carpet scraps could save a lot of
damage.
>
>
> In short, I think the wing fold brackets are find for sitting or moving i
n
> and out of storage, but are not good for long travels, especially on an
> open trailer.
>
>
> Search the archives, you will find much discussion and several pictures o
f
> how this has been accomplished by others.
>
>
> I have a few photos of the firefly folded, but will have to look to see i
f
> there are any of it loaded on the trailer.
>
>
> Stuart
>
>
> *From:* owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Malcolm Brubaker
> *Sent:* Monday, November 03, 2014 8:34 PM
> *To:* Kolb-list matronics.com
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: trailering a fire fly
>
>
> we need to deliver a fire fly by open trailer next week the wing
> attach points and bridle where never installed by the builder however it
> was a quick build , he never intended to fold or hall it . now he is
> dead and the estate needs it sold, My question is how to fold and haul it
> safely? any pics would really be helpful
>
> Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
> Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
>
> http://michigansportpilotrepair.com
>
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> Great Sails - Sailmaker
> for Ultralight & Light Sport
> (989)513-3022
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Subject: | trailering a fire fly |
Very interesting, thanks for posting.
Question? Is the MKIII tail boom 6=9D in diameter?
The firefly is 5=9D, so this may be too large unless you glue some
padding of some kind inside of the saddle. Carpeting comes to mind.
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Laird
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: trailering a fire fly
One method of supporting the boom tube on a Kolb MkIII (and other
aircraft) is by using a PVC "saddle". This saddle is originally made for
irrigation piping, but works perfectly with a little modification. The
saddle itself requires no tweaking, but there is a pipe that connects to
the saddle-tee, and the base of that needs a large castered wheel.
Another good solution for supporting the boom tube while trailering is
to find a "base" for the pipe that comes out of the saddle-tee, and
affix the "base" to the trailer... then, after the Kolb is in place on
the trailer, put the saddle-tee in place on the boom-tube, then screw a
connecting pipe on to it and the base.
One source:
Irrigation Station LLP
11929 Windfern
Houston, TX 77064
281-890-6574
sales@irrigationstation.com
Part: 6 x 2 PVC IPS FIPT Saddle, product code 4460-20 @ $41.00
(The above part description, part #, and price is as of Aug 2008)
The part information above is only for the saddle-tee. Also needed is a
pipe, connected to the saddle-tee, and of course the wheel. (When I find
a photo of the saddle in place on the boom tube, I'll post it here.)
I've used this method (with the caster wheel for over 7 years with my Mk
III. I also have the base that attached to my trailer floor, for
securing it while transporting it.
Below are mfg pix of saddle-tees.
Saddle-tee <http://texas-flyer.com/img/saddle-tee.jpg>
<http://texas-flyer.com/img/saddle-tee3.jpg>
<http://texas-flyer.com/img/saddle-tee-demo.jpg>
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal@yahoo.com>
wrote:
how wide is the boom tub? how long should the tube that fits into the
wing be? how far out from the center of the boom tube the wing
support tube is should depend on how much padding I have between the
boom tube and the wing, this problem totty took me by surprise. I think
I have a good handle on it, no pun intended
Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
http://michigansportpilotrepair.com
LSRM-A, PPC, WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022
_____
From: Stuart Harner <stuart@harnerfarm.net>
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2014 11:26 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: trailering a fire fly
How far do you have to haul it? I took mine 20 miles to the airport. I
followed the instructions in the builder=99s manual for folding
and I made a tail boom stand out of an automotive jack stand. It made
it, but I would not want to go much farther than that as there was
enough movement of the wings against the bracket that it wore all the
powder coat off of the bracket. I could not tell how much material was
worn off of the aluminum spar, but it had to be at least some. For a
longer move I would want the wing tips supported to the trailer, not the
tail boom.
$50 worth of 2X4=99s, screws and carpet scraps could save a lot of
damage.
In short, I think the wing fold brackets are find for sitting or moving
in and out of storage, but are not good for long travels, especially on
an open trailer.
Search the archives, you will find much discussion and several pictures
of how this has been accomplished by others.
I have a few photos of the firefly folded, but will have to look to see
if there are any of it loaded on the trailer.
Stuart
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Malcolm
Brubaker
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 8:34 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: trailering a fire fly
we need to deliver a fire fly by open trailer next week the wing
attach points and bridle where never installed by the builder however it
was a quick build , he never intended to fold or hall it . now he is
dead and the estate needs it sold, My question is how to fold and haul
it safely? any pics would really be helpful
Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
http://michigansportpilotrepair.com
LSRM-A, PPC, WS
Great Sails - Sailmaker
for Ultralight & Light Sport
(989)513-3022
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Subject: | Re: trailering a fire fly |
Relying on memory (a very dangerous thing!), yes, it's 6" in diameter.
The PVC saddle has a thin (but not too thin) piece of rubber covering the
entire inside surface, so that when it contacts the boom tube, it creates
enough friction to stop the saddle from moving around on it (and protects
the aluminum). Carpet might work, but you'd then have to worry about it
moving around on you. I don't know if anyone makes a 5" saddle, but that's
would be a better solution. Second-best would be to use something
rubber-like with a lot of friction that would give a tight and very even
"seal" around the tube.
Until you mentioned the issue of its use with a 5" boom, it never occurred
to me how lucky it is that this all works together so well!
-- R
On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Stuart Harner <stuart@harnerfarm.net>
wrote:
> Very interesting, thanks for posting.
>
>
> Question? Is the MKIII tail boom 6=9D in diameter?
>
>
> The firefly is 5=9D, so this may be too large unless you glue some
padding
> of some kind inside of the saddle. Carpeting comes to mind.
>
>
> *From:* owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert Laird
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 06, 2014 8:58 AM
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: trailering a fire fly
>
>
> One method of supporting the boom tube on a Kolb MkIII (and other
> aircraft) is by using a PVC "saddle". This saddle is originally made for
> irrigation piping, but works perfectly with a little modification. The
> saddle itself requires no tweaking, but there is a pipe that connects to
> the saddle-tee, and the base of *that* needs a large castered wheel.
>
> Another good solution for supporting the boom tube while trailering is to
> find a "base" for the pipe that comes out of the saddle-tee, and affix th
e
> "base" to the trailer... then, after the Kolb is in place on the trailer,
> put the saddle-tee in place on the boom-tube, then screw a connecting pip
e
> on to it and the base.
>
> One source:
>
> Irrigation Station LLP
> 11929 Windfern
> Houston, TX 77064
> 281-890-6574
> sales@irrigationstation.com
>
> Part: 6 x 2 PVC IPS FIPT Saddle, product code 4460-20 @ $41.00
> (The above part description, part #, and price is as of Aug 2008)
>
> The part information above is only for the saddle-tee. Also needed is a
> pipe, connected to the saddle-tee, and of course the wheel. (When I find
a
> photo of the saddle in place on the boom tube, I'll post it here.) I've
> used this method (with the caster wheel for over 7 years with my Mk III.
I
> also have the base that attached to my trailer floor, for securing it whi
le
> transporting it.
>
> Below are mfg pix of saddle-tees.
>
> [image: Saddle-tee]
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> how wide is the boom tub? how long should the tube that fits into the
> wing be? how far out from the center of the boom tube the wing suppo
rt
> tube is should depend on how much padding I have between the boom tube a
nd
> the wing, this problem totty took me by surprise. I think I have a good
> handle on it, no pun intended
>
>
> Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
> Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
>
> http://michigansportpilotrepair.com
>
> LSRM-A, PPC, WS
> Great Sails - Sailmaker
> for Ultralight & Light Sport
> (989)513-3022
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Stuart Harner <stuart@harnerfarm.net>
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Monday, November 3, 2014 11:26 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Kolb-List: trailering a fire fly
>
>
> How far do you have to haul it? I took mine 20 miles to the airport. I
> followed the instructions in the builder=99s manual for folding and
I made a
> tail boom stand out of an automotive jack stand. It made it, but I would
> not want to go much farther than that as there was enough movement of the
> wings against the bracket that it wore all the powder coat off of the
> bracket. I could not tell how much material was worn off of the aluminum
> spar, but it had to be at least some. For a longer move I would want the
> wing tips supported to the trailer, not the tail boom.
>
>
> $50 worth of 2X4=99s, screws and carpet scraps could save a lot of
damage.
>
>
> In short, I think the wing fold brackets are find for sitting or moving i
n
> and out of storage, but are not good for long travels, especially on an
> open trailer.
>
>
> Search the archives, you will find much discussion and several pictures o
f
> how this has been accomplished by others.
>
>
> I have a few photos of the firefly folded, but will have to look to see i
f
> there are any of it loaded on the trailer.
>
>
> Stuart
>
>
> *From:* owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Malcolm Brubaker
> *Sent:* Monday, November 03, 2014 8:34 PM
> *To:* Kolb-list matronics.com
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: trailering a fire fly
>
>
> we need to deliver a fire fly by open trailer next week the wing
> attach points and bridle where never installed by the builder however it
> was a quick build , he never intended to fold or hall it . now he is
> dead and the estate needs it sold, My question is how to fold and haul it
> safely? any pics would really be helpful
>
> Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
> Michigan Sport Pilot Repair
>
> http://michigansportpilotrepair.com
>
> LSRM-A, PPC, WS
> Great Sails - Sailmaker
> for Ultralight & Light Sport
> (989)513-3022
>
>
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Subject: | Re: trailering a fire fly |
brubakermal(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> we need to deliver a fire fly by open trailer next week . . . .S N I P .
. . My question is how to fold and haul it safely? any pics would really be
helpful
> Malcolm & Jeanne Brubaker
>
There are a wide variety of configurations at "Trailering a Kolb":
http://oh2fly.net/Main_trailer_kolb.htm
--------
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FS II R503 N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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Subject: | Re: Serenity Flies, Take 2 |
Hi Westy,
When I read this post from you I thought I may be able to give you some
action enhanced insight.
I met a man who was interested in the FireFly and we arranged to meet at
the strip where I had mine so he could check it out. The day turned out
to be very windy with crosswind gusts to at least 18 mph - the wind sock
was straight out at times. I wasn't aware of it at the time but he took
numerous videos and pix, two videos which I uploaded on youtube.
With a gusting crosswind I wanted to get off the ground as quickly as
possible and this is what dancing with the rudder pedals looks like in
real time. The landing wasn't as busy because you descend down between
trees and touch down at the end of the stand of trees on the left. Take
off downhill and land uphill. You know how light the FF is and is at
the mercy of the wind, but they are like little sports cars and there is
lots of control.
On the landing you can also see the evidence of ground effect. Landing
uphill you kind of fly into the hill and flair once you're through
ground effect and flying parallel with the up grade, which is kind of
trick because when you begin to ascend you lose airspeed rather
quickly. Ground effect, according to the flight instructor I had, is as
high above the surface as the wing span of the aircraft you're flying.
So if you want to watch a FF doing what it does best (in spite of the
pilot) go to youtube.com/undoctor Click on the video tab and
for the takeoff video open the one labeled Kolb FlagFly FireFly taking
off with crosswind gusting. For the landing video open the one
labeled FireFly landing 8.11.11 in gusty crosswind...
These two videos should give you some idea of how the FF does in less
than perfect flying conditions. Hope they do you some good. You're
gonna LOVE your FireFly!!
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
Do Not Archive
On 11/5/2014 8:32 PM, west1m wrote:
>
> Great write up! Having a Firefly I have not flown yet, your article is excellent
information on what to expect. I tried taxing up and down the runway with
a 90* crosswind the other day just see what to expect. It was a wild ride!
>
> --------
> West1m
> Hastings, MN
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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Subject: | Re: firestar for sale |
I listed the firestar on barnstormers and it sold in 2 hours. Thanks
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Subject: | Re: Serenity Flies, Take 2 |
Thanks for the link to your videos. You make it look easy. I used up a lot more
of the runway the other day and I was just trying to motor down the runway straight.
--------
West1m
Hastings, MN
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