---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/18/14: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:28 PM - Re: 5 rib wing on a Firestar (wakataka) 2. 07:43 PM - Re: Re: 5 rib wing on a Firestar (Herb) 3. 07:56 PM - Re: 5 rib wing on a Firestar (wakataka) 4. 08:05 PM - Re: Re: 5 rib wing on a Firestar (Herb) 5. 08:18 PM - Re: Re: 5 rib wing on a Firestar (David Kulp) 6. 08:36 PM - Re: Re: 5 rib wing on a Firestar (John Hauck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:21 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 5 rib wing on a Firestar From: "wakataka" The original Firestar never had a 7 rib wing. That came along with the KXP and the Firestar II, probably around 1990 according to the Kolb website http://www.kolbaircraft.com/history.htm -------- There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434005#434005 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:14 PM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 5 rib wing on a Firestar I knew that it was early ...Herb On 11/18/2014 09:28 PM, wakataka wrote: > > The original Firestar never had a 7 rib wing. That came along with the KXP and the Firestar II, probably around 1990 according to the Kolb website > > http://www.kolbaircraft.com/history.htm > > -------- > There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. > > Mark Twain > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434005#434005 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:01 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 5 rib wing on a Firestar From: "wakataka" As I recall, Kolb had a test pilot go up and intentionally break the wing on a Firestar by overspeeding it and doing a sharp pull out. They recovered the wreckage with a ballistic chute, then strengthened the parts that broke. I may be hallucinating again, but this is what I recall. I'd have to drag out my old copies of Glider Rider from the attic to confirm. -------- There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434010#434010 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:35 PM PST US From: Herb Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 5 rib wing on a Firestar That did happen on the Ultra Star.... some young and crazy guy(Dennis Souder) flew the US to the point of structural failure...The drag strut came out of column and required some beefing up..as is seen on all Kolb wings today.. Herb On 11/18/2014 09:55 PM, wakataka wrote: > > As I recall, Kolb had a test pilot go up and intentionally break the wing on a Firestar by overspeeding it and doing a sharp pull out. They recovered the wreckage with a ballistic chute, then strengthened the parts that broke. > > I may be hallucinating again, but this is what I recall. I'd have to drag out my old copies of Glider Rider from the attic to confirm. > > -------- > There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. > > Mark Twain > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434010#434010 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:13 PM PST US From: David Kulp Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 5 rib wing on a Firestar ... and if my memory serves me well, he told me he threw out a hand-held 'chute. Dave Kulp On 11/18/2014 11:05 PM, Herb wrote: > > That did happen on the Ultra Star.... some young and crazy guy(Dennis > Souder) flew the US to the point of structural failure...The drag > strut came out of column and required some beefing up..as is seen on > all Kolb wings today.. Herb > On 11/18/2014 09:55 PM, wakataka wrote: >> >> As I recall, Kolb had a test pilot go up and intentionally break the >> wing on a Firestar by overspeeding it and doing a sharp pull out. >> They recovered the wreckage with a ballistic chute, then strengthened >> the parts that broke. >> >> I may be hallucinating again, but this is what I recall. I'd have to >> drag out my old copies of Glider Rider from the attic to confirm. >> >> -------- >> There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale >> returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. >> >> Mark Twain >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434010#434010 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:50 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: 5 rib wing on a Firestar Don't believe Dennis Souder intentionally flew/tested/stressed the US to destruction, but he did accomplish it. The goal was to prove the aircraft would tolerate the advertised G loading of, I think, 4+/4-. Dennis exceeded advertised g loading, I'm guessing 5+/5-. Decided to see what it would do, when a drag strut failed. Dennis was flying with a hand deployed parachute, not a ballistic parachute. I hadn't covered the wings of my Ultrastar yet. Kolb Company sent me the drag strut braces, 31 years ago this March. When I built my Firestar, I installed a G Meter, later installed in my MKIII. Was very difficult to pull 5 G's with the Firestar. Most aerobatic maneuvers could be performed pulling 2.5 to 3 G's. My MKIII has never performed an aerobatic maneuver, but has pulled a lot of G's, positive and negative, flying in severe turbulence. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama As I recall, Kolb had a test pilot go up and intentionally break the wing on a Firestar by overspeeding it and doing a sharp pull out. They recovered the wreckage with a ballistic chute, then strengthened the parts that broke. I may be hallucinating again, but this is what I recall. I'd have to drag out my old copies of Glider Rider from the attic to confirm. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.