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I'm going to spray my side by side with latex and have been looking for a c
lear coat product that wound be compatible with latex. Thought of varnishes
, too hard, some of the stuff used by crafters (don't know if they will sta
nd up to rain and sunlight), Valspar used to make a clear latex but I can't
find it listed any longer.=C2-Skybiker used a clear coat in 04 and said
that it still looked good. Malcolm do you know what he used, or do you or a
nyone on the list know of a good clear coat.
----- Original Message -----
From: gliderx5@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 8:09:07 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Latex Paint Rolling Video
I just finished a new video on applying latex paint with a roller. After th
e sanding and polishing process the results are nearly as good as spraying.
Both methods, spraying and rolling have their advantages.
=C2-
Spraying gives the best finish, it=99s faster for big areas, and requ
ires less sanding to smooth the orange peel. But, you need spray equipment
and a paint booth the contain the over spray, and you need to mask parts th
at you don=99t want painted.
=C2-
Rolling is faster for smaller areas and requires no masking other than alon
g edges, it needs no paint booth or equipment, there=99s no over spra
y. But, it requires more sanding to remove the orange peel and while the re
sult is quite good it=99s probably not quite as good as spraying.
=C2-
Have a look at the video and let me know what you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhlxE3EFcCQ
=C2-
Merry Christmas
=C2-
Malcolm Morrison
www.wienerdogaero.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: mojavjoe@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 9:17:07 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Latex Paint Rolling Video
I'm going to spray my side by side with latex and have been looking for a c
lear coat product that wound be compatible with latex. Thought of varnishes
, too hard, some of the stuff used by crafters (don't know if they will sta
nd up to rain and sunlight), Valspar used to make a clear latex but I can't
find it listed any longer.=C2-Skybiker used a clear coat in 04 and said
that it still looked good. Malcolm do you know what he used, or do you or a
nyone on the list know of a good clear coat.
----- Original Message -----
From: gliderx5@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 8:09:07 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Latex Paint Rolling Video
I just finished a new video on applying latex paint with a roller. After th
e sanding and polishing process the results are nearly as good as spraying.
Both methods, spraying and rolling have their advantages.
=C2-
Spraying gives the best finish, it=99s faster for big areas, and requ
ires less sanding to smooth the orange peel. But, you need spray equipment
and a paint booth the contain the over spray, and you need to mask parts th
at you don=99t want painted.
=C2-
Rolling is faster for smaller areas and requires no masking other than alon
g edges, it needs no paint booth or equipment, there=99s no over spra
y. But, it requires more sanding to remove the orange peel and while the re
sult is quite good it=99s probably not quite as good as spraying.
=C2-
Have a look at the video and let me know what you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhlxE3EFcCQ
=C2-
Merry Christmas
=C2-
Malcolm Morrison
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| Subject: | Re: Latex Paint Rolling Video |
mojavejoe,
I know a few builders have used, or are currently experimenting with clear
coats, but I don't know which products. Maybe someone else on the list know
s. It would sure make is easier to get a glossy finish if it works. For my
dusty workshop however I think I would still have to sand and polish to get
the glassy, smooth finish that I'm getting now.
Anyone else know about latex clear coats?
Malcolm Morrison
www.wienerdogareo.com
----- Original Message -----
From: mojavjoe@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 9:17:07 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Latex Paint Rolling Video
I'm going to spray my side by side with latex and have been looking for a c
lear coat product that wound be compatible with latex. Thought of varnishes
, too hard, some of the stuff used by crafters (don't know if they will sta
nd up to rain and sunlight), Valspar used to make a clear latex but I can't
find it listed any longer. Skybiker used a clear coat in 04 and said that
it still looked good. Malcolm do you know what he used, or do you or anyone
on the list know of a good clear coat.
----- Original Message -----
From: gliderx5@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 8:09:07 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Latex Paint Rolling Video
I just finished a new video on applying latex paint with a roller. After th
e sanding and polishing process the results are nearly as good as spraying.
Both methods, spraying and rolling have their advantages.
Spraying gives the best finish, it=99s faster for big areas, and requ
ires less sanding to smooth the orange peel. But, you need spray equipment
and a paint booth the contain the over spray, and you need to mask parts th
at you don=99t want painted.
Rolling is faster for smaller areas and requires no masking other than alon
g edges, it needs no paint booth or equipment, there=99s no over spra
y. But, it requires more sanding to remove the orange peel and while the re
sult is quite good it=99s probably not quite as good as spraying.
Have a look at the video and let me know what you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhlxE3EFcCQ
Merry Christmas
Malcolm Morrison
www.wienerdogaero.com
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My Mini Max was finished with Sherwin Williams Ultra 7000 ..base /clear
and it was as good as any paint job I have ever seen...better than most
.. Very glossy and deep looking... Sadly the plane is sitting in an
open hanger in the Carolina's now with an inch of dirt on it..!!
I notice that gallons of various base colors are available on Ebay
for 250 a gallon...So, If one is not too particular about the color...it
might be that the products could be bought for 500 to 700 dollars to
finish a Kolb?
Looking at Sherwin William's site...I did no see anything about
plasticizers...but I was told by the builder of my Max that he used
them... Herb
On 12/30/2014 09:15 AM, gliderx5@comcast.net wrote:
> mojavejoe,
>
> I know a few builders have used, or are currently experimenting with
> clear coats, but I don't know which products. Maybe someone else on
> the list knows. It would sure make is easier to get a glossy finish if
> it works. For my dusty workshop however I think I would still have to
> sand and polish to get the glassy, smooth finish that I'm getting now.
>
> Anyone else know about latex clear coats?
>
> Malcolm Morrison
> www.wienerdogareo.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *mojavjoe@comcast.net
> *To: *"kolb-list" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 30, 2014 9:17:07 AM
> *Subject: *Re: Kolb-List: Latex Paint Rolling Video
>
> I'm going to spray my side by side with latex and have been looking
> for a clear coat product that wound be compatible with latex. Thought
> of varnishes, too hard, some of the stuff used by crafters (don't know
> if they will stand up to rain and sunlight), Valspar used to make a
> clear latex but I can't find it listed any longer. Skybiker used a
> clear coat in 04 and said that it still looked good. Malcolm do you
> know what he used, or do you or anyone on the list know of a good
> clear coat.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *gliderx5@comcast.net
> *To: *"kolb-list" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 24, 2014 8:09:07 AM
> *Subject: *Kolb-List: Latex Paint Rolling Video
>
> I just finished a new video on applying latex paint with a roller.
> After the sanding and polishing process the results are nearly as good
> as spraying. Both methods, spraying and rolling have their advantages.
>
> Spraying gives the best finish, its faster for big areas, and
> requires less sanding to smooth the orange peel. But, you need spray
> equipment and a paint booth the contain the over spray, and you need
> to mask parts that you dont want painted.
>
> Rolling is faster for smaller areas and requires no masking other than
> along edges, it needs no paint booth or equipment, theres no over
> spray. But, it requires more sanding to remove the orange peel and
> while the result is quite good its probably not quite as good as
> spraying.
>
> Have a look at the video and let me know what you think.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhlxE3EFcCQ
>
> Merry Christmas
>
> Malcolm Morrison
>
> www.wienerdogaero.com <http://www.wienerdogaero.com/>
>
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On 12/30/2014 9:17 AM, mojavjoe@comcast.net wrote:
> I'm going to spray my side by side with latex and have been looking
> for a clear coat product that wound be compatible with latex. Thought
> of varnishes, too hard, some of the stuff used by crafters (don't know
> if they will stand up to rain and sunlight), Valspar used to make a
> clear latex but I can't find it listed any longer. Skybiker used a
> clear coat in 04 and said that it still looked good. Malcolm do you
> know what he used, or do you or anyone on the list know of a good
*Kolbers, before I retired I worked as a commercial painter and vinyl
hanger for a commercial contractor*. *There were times**we needed a
very smooth finish on**walls **or trim with latex paint and we added a
product that is called Floetrol made by the Flood Company in Ohio, it
would allow the paint to flow out smooth as it dried.* *Also as to
getting**a clear coat check with Sherwin Williams**and check on a
product called DTM Acrylic and ask for their UTRA DEEP BASE. It is a
CLEAR BASE that is used to mix very deep colors**. You can buy it in
semi-gloss and also gloss. Just get it without any color added. Will
not yellow over time as oil base varnishes do*. *I've never checked but
y**ou could also check to see if their house paints have a clear base
for deep colors.*
*Jack Carillon 1994 FSII Akron OH.*
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| Subject: | Re: Latex Paint Rolling Video |
Herb
It appears that Ultra 7000 is a solvent based paint, is quite expensive, an
d I doubt you would want to apply it with a roller. I'm sure that it would
give you a superior gloss, but the reasons for using latex are cost ($50/ga
llon) and non-toxocity (can paint in your basement).
Malcolm Morrison
www.wienerdogaero.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Herb" <Herbgh@nctc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:48:25 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Latex Paint Rolling Video
My Mini Max was finished with Sherwin Williams Ultra 7000 ..base /clear and
it was as good as any paint job I have ever seen...better than most .. Ver
y glossy and deep looking... Sadly the plane is sitting in an open hanger i
n the Carolina's now with an inch of dirt on it..!!
I notice that gallons of various base colors are available on Ebay for 250
a gallon...So, If one is not too particular about the color...it might be t
hat the products could be bought for 500 to 700 dollars to finish a Kolb?
Looking at Sherwin William's site...I did no see anything about plasticizer
s...but I was told by the builder of my Max that he used them... Herb
On 12/30/2014 09:15 AM, gliderx5@comcast.net wrote:
mojavejoe,
I know a few builders have used, or are currently experimenting with clear
coats, but I don't know which products. Maybe someone else on the list know
s. It would sure make is easier to get a glossy finish if it works. For my
dusty workshop however I think I would still have to sand and polish to get
the glassy, smooth finish that I'm getting now.
Anyone else know about latex clear coats?
Malcolm Morrison
www.wienerdogareo.com
----- Original Message -----
From: mojavjoe@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 9:17:07 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Latex Paint Rolling Video
I'm going to spray my side by side with latex and have been looking for a c
lear coat product that wound be compatible with latex. Thought of varnishes
, too hard, some of the stuff used by crafters (don't know if they will sta
nd up to rain and sunlight), Valspar used to make a clear latex but I can't
find it listed any longer. Skybiker used a clear coat in 04 and said that
it still looked good. Malcolm do you know what he used, or do you or anyone
on the list know of a good clear coat.
----- Original Message -----
From: gliderx5@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 8:09:07 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Latex Paint Rolling Video
I just finished a new video on applying latex paint with a roller. After th
e sanding and polishing process the results are nearly as good as spraying.
Both methods, spraying and rolling have their advantages.
Spraying gives the best finish, it=99s faster for big areas, and requ
ires less sanding to smooth the orange peel. But, you need spray equipment
and a paint booth the contain the over spray, and you need to mask parts th
at you don=99t want painted.
Rolling is faster for smaller areas and requires no masking other than alon
g edges, it needs no paint booth or equipment, there=99s no over spra
y. But, it requires more sanding to remove the orange peel and while the re
sult is quite good it=99s probably not quite as good as spraying.
Have a look at the video and let me know what you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhlxE3EFcCQ
Merry Christmas
Malcolm Morrison
www.wienerdogaero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Latex Paint Rolling Video |
Jack
Great info. I have tried Floetrol but I was not able to get the results that others
have.
I have a couple questions on the DTM. When you used the clear DTM over painted
surfaces did you need to do any surface prep? How did you apply it? How did it
hold up to weather?
Thanks
Malcolm Morrison
www.wienerdogaero.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack" <pcarillonsr@neo.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:32:07 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Latex Paint Rolling Video
On 12/30/2014 9:17 AM, mojavjoe@comcast.net wrote:
I'm going to spray my side by side with latex and have been looking for a clear coat product that wound be compatible with latex. Thought of varnishes, too hard, some of the stuff used by crafters (don't know if they will stand up to rain and sunlight), Valspar used to make a clear latex but I can't find it listed any longer. Skybiker used a clear coat in 04 and said that it still looked good. Malcolm do you know what he used, or do you or anyone on the list know of a good clear coat. - The Kolb-List Email Forum - FAQ, href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
Kolbers, before I retired I worked as a commercial painter and vinyl hanger for
a commercial contractor . There were times we needed a very smooth finish on
walls or trim with latex paint and we added a product that is called Floetrol
made by the Flood Company in Ohio, it would allow the paint to flow out smooth
as it dried. Also as to getting a clear coat check with Sherwin Williams and
check on a product called DTM Acrylic and ask for their UTRA DEEP BASE. It is
a CLEAR BASE that is used to mix very deep colors . You can buy it in semi-gloss
and also gloss. Just get it without any color added. Will not yellow over time
as oil base varnishes do . I've never checked but y ou could also check to
see if their house paints have a clear base for deep colors.
Jack Carillon 1994 FSII Akron OH.
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| Subject: | Re: Latex Paint Rolling Video |
Right
Not a simple solution as is Latex...Just mention it as an option...Herb
On 12/30/2014 02:08 PM, gliderx5@comcast.net wrote:
> Herb
>
> It appears that Ultra 7000 is a solvent based paint, is quite
> expensive, and I doubt you would want to apply it with a roller. I'm
> sure that it would give you a superior gloss, but the reasons for
> using latex are cost ($50/gallon) and non-toxocity (can paint in your
> basement).
>
> Malcolm Morrison
> www.wienerdogaero.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"Herb" <Herbgh@nctc.com>
> *To: *"kolb-list" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:48:25 AM
> *Subject: *Re: Kolb-List: Latex Paint Rolling Video
>
> My Mini Max was finished with Sherwin Williams Ultra 7000 ..base
> /clear and it was as good as any paint job I have ever seen...better
> than most .. Very glossy and deep looking... Sadly the plane is
> sitting in an open hanger in the Carolina's now with an inch of dirt
> on it..!!
>
> I notice that gallons of various base colors are available on Ebay
> for 250 a gallon...So, If one is not too particular about the
> color...it might be that the products could be bought for 500 to 700
> dollars to finish a Kolb?
>
> Looking at Sherwin William's site...I did no see anything about
> plasticizers...but I was told by the builder of my Max that he used
> them... Herb
>
>
> On 12/30/2014 09:15 AM, gliderx5@comcast.net wrote:
>
> mojavejoe,
>
> I know a few builders have used, or are currently experimenting
> with clear coats, but I don't know which products. Maybe someone
> else on the list knows. It would sure make is easier to get a
> glossy finish if it works. For my dusty workshop however I think I
> would still have to sand and polish to get the glassy, smooth
> finish that I'm getting now.
>
> Anyone else know about latex clear coats?
>
> Malcolm Morrison
> www.wienerdogareo.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *mojavjoe@comcast.net
> *To: *"kolb-list" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 30, 2014 9:17:07 AM
> *Subject: *Re: Kolb-List: Latex Paint Rolling Video
>
> I'm going to spray my side by side with latex and have been
> looking for a clear coat product that wound be compatible with
> latex. Thought of varnishes, too hard, some of the stuff used by
> crafters (don't know if they will stand up to rain and sunlight),
> Valspar used to make a clear latex but I can't find it listed any
> longer. Skybiker used a clear coat in 04 and said that it still
> looked good. Malcolm do you know what he used, or do you or anyone
> on the list know of a good clear coat.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *gliderx5@comcast.net
> *To: *"kolb-list" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 24, 2014 8:09:07 AM
> *Subject: *Kolb-List: Latex Paint Rolling Video
>
> I just finished a new video on applying latex paint with a roller.
> After the sanding and polishing process the results are nearly as
> good as spraying. Both methods, spraying and rolling have their
> advantages.
>
> Spraying gives the best finish, its faster for big areas, and
> requires less sanding to smooth the orange peel. But, you need
> spray equipment and a paint booth the contain the over spray, and
> you need to mask parts that you dont want painted.
>
> Rolling is faster for smaller areas and requires no masking other
> than along edges, it needs no paint booth or equipment, theres no
> over spray. But, it requires more sanding to remove the orange
> peel and while the result is quite good its probably not quite as
> good as spraying.
>
> Have a look at the video and let me know what you think.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhlxE3EFcCQ
>
> Merry Christmas
>
> Malcolm Morrison
>
> www.wienerdogaero.com <http://www.wienerdogaero.com/>
>
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Happy New Year Kolbers
Ralph and Laurie Burlingame
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Ralph B
Original Firestar 447
N91493 E-AB
1000+ hours
27 years flying it
Kolbra 912ULS
N20386
300 hours
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